Sony: Innovation Key After Restructuring

Except the only way Sony knows how to get themselves out of a mess is to loose entirely. Seriously, other than the PS2, what has Sony done well?
 
Hurdler said:
Except the only way Sony knows how to get themselves out of a mess is to loose entirely. Seriously, other than the PS2, what has Sony done well?
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Lets see. Walkmans, early portable CD players. Their CRTs were some of the best out there, both for TVs and Computer Monitors. You are also forgetting the PS1.

The problem is that after all of these successes, it seems like they just stopped trying. It is almost like they thought since they have a well known, highly respected brand name they could do anything they wanted and people would buy them. People are a lot less brand loyal than I they hoped for. As soon as their products went down hill people jumped ship and went elsewhere.
 
There is no war.
Even if HDDVD "wins" sony will keep the BluRay format and the opposite is true. DVD player makers will simply make a hybrid DVD player that plays old DVDs, HDDVDs and BluRay.

The media keeps thinking about this in archaic terms because of the history of VHS & BetaMax. This has nothing to do with that 'war'. You can't have a player play VHS tapes and BetaMax tapes because they were different sizes. All the DVDs are the same sizes - this is like saying DVDs and CDs will never play in the same player.

You need another laser on the carriage, and a codec in the software; it's not that much of a stretch. Prices will come down on hybrid players.

At any rate, the technology is such that you can have all 3 movie formats on the same disk. Consumers don't want choices, they want simplicity. The sooner everybody realizes that the better.

I'll say it again. There IS no 1080p DVD war! It's all made up by the media. Whoever is on top and bottom today will mean absolutely nothing in two years when hybrid disks and hybrid players replace the players of today.
 
Another hilarious quote from that article:

""The next cycle is actual innovation," he said."

...so what was the current cycle? Rehashing old crap?

PS3 owners your $600 didn't buy you innovation, apparently. At least according to the guy who built it.
 
brom42 said:
Lets see. Walkmans, early portable CD players. Their CRTs were some of the best out there, both for TVs and Computer Monitors. You are also forgetting the PS1.

The problem is that after all of these successes, it seems like they just stopped trying. It is almost like they thought since they have a well known, highly respected brand name they could do anything they wanted and people would buy them. People are a lot less brand loyal than I they hoped for. As soon as their products went down hill people jumped ship and went elsewhere.
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Hell yes with CRT. Their Trinitron lines were unmatched for years. I used to swear on them until LCD started becoming more affordable and improved.

Sony made excellent home stereo systems too as well as headphones and speakers. Sony was a household name for years. Ranked up there with Bose and Kenwood, except it was far more affordable.

It's a real shame they became greedy.
 
Hiring Stringer does seem to be one of the better moves by Sony. He is more realistic. I get the feeling that the PS3 would not have developed the way it did if he had been CEO at the time. I'd feel better if Sony got rid of Peter Dille, but you can't have everything, I guess. I think 2007 was a humbling experience for Sony and I think that gives Stringer alot of room to make changes.
 
brom42 said:
Lets see. Walkmans, early portable CD players. Their CRTs were some of the best out there, both for TVs and Computer Monitors. You are also forgetting the PS1.
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Ok, fair enough. I'll admit I never used any of that stuff which is why I didn't remember it. The CRT's were good though, my dad still has one. I only mentioned the PS2 as none of my friends ever had the PS1, so I've never played with one :eek:.

I guess I should have said something along the lines of Sony developing an entirely new product (i.e. MiniDisc) and then having it fail.
 
Hurdler said:
Ok, fair enough. I'll admit I never used any of that stuff which is why I didn't remember it. The CRT's were good though, my dad still has one. I only mentioned the PS2 as none of my friends ever had the PS1, so I've never played with one :eek:.

I guess I should have said something along the lines of Sony developing an entirely new product (i.e. MiniDisc) and then having it fail.
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And don't forget the UMD...

Sony's PS1/PS2 were always cheaper than their competitors, both for end-user and for manufacturers/developers. PS1 was cheaper than N64. PS2 was the cheapest DVD player available at its launch.

It seems with PS3, Sony went for the cheapest Blu-Ray player, too bad they cost so much, that $699 doesnt seem as much of a bargain.
 
brom42 said:
Lets see. Walkmans, early portable CD players. Their CRTs were some of the best out there, both for TVs and Computer Monitors. You are also forgetting the PS1.
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Give, but for every success, they have got two failures: Betamax, PlayStation 3, MiniDisc, Memory Stick (Pro, Duo, and all variants thereof), UMD, and the list goes on.
 
brom42 said:
Lets see. Walkmans, early portable CD players. Their CRTs were some of the best out there, both for TVs and Computer Monitors. You are also forgetting the PS1.

The problem is that after all of these successes, it seems like they just stopped trying. It is almost like they thought since they have a well known, highly respected brand name they could do anything they wanted and people would buy them. People are a lot less brand loyal than I they hoped for. As soon as their products went down hill people jumped ship and went elsewhere.
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Sony has had many successful product lines. However, what htye have been historically good at is making a good product around an existing technology. The audio cassette, CD, and CRTs were not their own proprietary inventions with them imagining how said media would work from top to bottom.

The only place they have done that and come out ahead is the PS1 and PS2, and they don't map well to a basic media player.

When you get down to it, they need to innovate in products, not the underlying technology. They basically suck at that.
 
raz-0 said:
Sony has had many successful product lines. However, what htye have been historically good at is making a good product around an existing technology. The audio cassette, CD, and CRTs were not their own proprietary inventions with them imagining how said media would work from top to bottom.

The only place they have done that and come out ahead is the PS1 and PS2, and they don't map well to a basic media player.

When you get down to it, they need to innovate in products, not the underlying technology. They basically suck at that.
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I agree, but their problem is that they can't even make a good product around existing technology anymore.
 
Outside of gaming they dont need to try as hard as some companies do their name really does sell their crap.

As far as gaming is concerned the PS1 and PS2 where great but not because of them they where great because the 3rd party developers stuck to them with tons of exclusive titles. Everything else sony has touched in the gaming world has turned to shit. Look at how they expertly demolish the MMOs they acquire and their outstanding PS3 sales.

When i was a kid almost all of the electronics in our house was sony and my dad swore by them. He still has alot of Sony stuff from the late 80's early 90's that still works. Anymore sony has gone so far downhill they are just as overrated as Bose.
 
raz-0 said:
Sony has had many successful product lines. However, what htye have been historically good at is making a good product around an existing technology. The audio cassette, CD, and CRTs were not their own proprietary inventions with them imagining how said media would work from top to bottom.

The only place they have done that and come out ahead is the PS1 and PS2, and they don't map well to a basic media player.

When you get down to it, they need to innovate in products, not the underlying technology. They basically suck at that.
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THAT's what I was trying to say, but failing at, thank you!
 
pfunkman said:
Anymore sony has gone so far downhill they are just as overrated as Bose.
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That's darn near the best analogy I've heard all week. Sony: the Bose of new technology.

Really, it couldn't be more true. People go "whoamg, Blue Rays and Playstation 3!," but in all honesty, they are nothing special. Just like Bose, there's an equivalent competitor that offers the exact same feature set and is a fraction of the price.
 
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