Software Update Bricks Some Jeep 4xe Hybrids

yea you can't even get an aftermarket or third party head unit anymore for these "modern" cars :(

and once they stop rolling out Over The Air updates and firmwares to your various ECUs, the cars become unsupported, unwarrantable (even by third party extension services) and just bricks that won't start anymore
Can’t Tesla disable your car remotely? I sure hope there are folks like rossman around that become dedicated car electronic folks.
 
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Isn't Stellantis Fiat?

Fuckin junk.
European junk buys American junk to make the ultimate junk cars.
The whole concept of a car "infotainment system" makes me cringe. I expect my cars to last 20-30+ years. For example, two of the cars that we have, a 1996 F150 and a 1998 Toyota 4Runner, both still running great, filling roles as backup vehicles.

So the last thing I want is them cramming non-removable "infotainment" tech in there that is going to become embarrassingly obsolete in 5 years or less.

Just give me good bluetooth support, and a nice spot to put my own tablets/phone, so that the tech upgrades over time as I get new tablets/phones.

But since that approach doesn't give them subscription revenue, we know which route the industry will continue to take.
All my cars have aftermarket stereos in them and I'm even in the process of putting one in the 2012 CT200h that I rebuilt the engine. It's much easier to do this with older cars since they all went with 1din and 2din standards. No such thing as standards anymore in the car industry.
my Acura MDX had the highest US component ratio of any car on the road, may explain the number of recalls but the car itself was largely issue free for 8 years with minimal maintenance.
My sisters 2006 Acura MDX had internal bleeding of transmission fluid with coolant. This is a death sentence for any transmission and it definitely took out the MDX's as well. Now I gotta see what the cost of a rebuilt transmission for this car. Also, every bolt was rusted to not a hexagon shape. One good thing about German cars is that you rarely if ever see this level of rust.
Biggest mistake was taking it to Firestone for a wheel alignment, took them 18 months and 6 visits to finally correct it.
Should have asked for your money and moved to another shop for a proper alignment.
yea you can't even get an aftermarket or third party head unit anymore for these "modern" cars :(

and once they stop rolling out Over The Air updates and firmwares to your various ECUs, the cars become unsupported, unwarrantable (even by third party extension services) and just bricks that won't start anymore
You can if you know where to look. It won't be any reputable brand but they do make them. It'll be tailor made for that car and sometimes things like climate controls become part of the head unit itself. It's mostly an Android device with CarPlay and Android Auto. Which is already an upgrade over what new cars come with since a lot of them don't even include either now. No subscription fees either.
 
Isn't Stellantis Fiat?

Fuckin junk.
Was Fiat
Stellantis is headquartered in Hoofddorp, Netherlands, while the CEO now operates from Auburn Hills, Michigan.[10]

As of 2025, Stellantis ranked as the world's fifth-largest automaker by global sales volume, behind Toyota, Volkswagen Group, Hyundai Motor Group, and the Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance.
 
Can’t Tesla disable your car remotely? I sure hope there are folks like rossman around that become dedicated ca electronic folks.
Most automakers can do that if your vehicle has a cellular connection. (Doesn't matter if you're subscribed or not) My friend who works at Mercedes said he was responsible for testing that feature on his dev team. My coworker who worked at Ford said they had that feature visible in their cyber security software to push that command. And of course all GM vehicles with OnStar present onboard have had that feature for over a decade now.
 
Most automakers can do that if your vehicle has a cellular connection. (Doesn't matter if you're subscribed or not) My friend who works at Mercedes said he was responsible for testing that feature on his dev team. My coworker who worked at Ford said they had that feature visible in their cyber security software to push that command. And of course all GM vehicles with OnStar present onboard have had that feature for over a decade now.
cellular and or satellite 📡 🛰️

some things like starlink for example
 
Well yeah Starlink just broadcasts the cellular signal via satellite. You don't need Starlink subscriptions or even a Musk/Tesla product to use it.
 
Well yeah Starlink just broadcasts the cellular signal via satellite. You don't need Starlink subscriptions or even a Musk/Tesla product to use it.
subaru starlink

it’s different than tesla
 
Some time ago they disabled cars over the air when lease payment lapsed.

Don't know what became of it.
 
Some time ago they disabled cars over the air when lease payment lapsed.

Don't know what became of it.
If you get high risk loans they will install a module to give them that ability still. They won't disable it while you are at the store or anything but once you get back home they kill it and come get it in the morning. Usually it is after they have tried to get ahold of you and you don't return calls. Watched this happen to a friend few years ago. Turns out when you buy something and don't pay for it, they want it back haha.
 
If you get high risk loans they will install a module to give them that ability still. They won't disable it while you are at the store or anything but once you get back home they kill it and come get it in the morning. Usually it is after they have tried to get ahold of you and you don't return calls. Watched this happen to a friend few years ago. Turns out when you buy something and don't pay for it, they want it back haha.
They don't always have to install a module either. Tesla's and I think OnStar can do this from the factory. Dealers that aren't affiliated with the car manufacturer will install their own remove shut off. There have been cases where people would lose power while driving and cause an accident. So now the remote disable just cuts off the wire to the starter itself, which makes it easy to find it and remove it. Car manufacturers have no problem giving you a feature that allows them to take the car back, which is a reminder that you don't own the car you paid for.

The funny thing about this video is this guy is showing you how to find one with the camera in the back of his iPad.

View: https://youtu.be/EiPFL8N8IwU?si=A8RPJFwpnHZllhxf
 
Not gonna lie, I am envious of the fact that seemingly everywhere but North America, you can buy a dumb ass vehicle.
I love my old ass truck because the smartest thing in it is the AM/FM radio.
It's easy to work on, cheap to fix, and cheaper to run.

I barely trust computers when they are stationary, on a desk, in a climate-controlled environment, properly ventilated, with strict user controls. The idea of trusting one adhering to absolutely none of those standards while being managed by a company that prefers to litigate injury and death claims rather than spend $2 on replacing a part is beyond absurd to me.

In the event something happens to my truck, I swear I will find a way to get a Toyota IMV0 up from Mexico because I really don't want to mess with a vehicle that is trying to be smarter than I am.
 
The whole concept of a car "infotainment system" makes me cringe. I expect my cars to last 20-30+ years. For example, two of the cars that we have, a 1996 F150 and a 1998 Toyota 4Runner, both still running great, filling roles as backup vehicles.

So the last thing I want is them cramming non-removable "infotainment" tech in there that is going to become embarrassingly obsolete in 5 years or less.

Just give me good bluetooth support, and a nice spot to put my own tablets/phone, so that the tech upgrades over time as I get new tablets/phones.

But since that approach doesn't give them subscription revenue, we know which route the industry will continue to take.
And it also does not let them mine data from you from all your usage and when you connect your mobile device and allow it to store all of your contacts, text messages and other data...
 
Telematics is also used to share driving habits with insurance companies. Some "gentle" drivers will voluntarily do this to get discounts and as long as they take it easy they will keep their discounts. However, some car manufacturers had this ON and shared data with insurers without consent of policyholders. And pissed off drivers were ringing their agents when they saw their premiums jump! GM got sued for this (as they should have!). The data that is acquired by the system is quite detailed. On most vehicles, 2020 and newer, have LIDAR for collision warning, lane change, et al. The data shared is literally as detailed as if a person was sitting in the car! How fast you accelerate, follow vehicles, turn, avg. speed, braking, attention (how often your eyes are on the road or something else). It's utterly ridiculous.
 
It's any car sold in the US as of MY 2013 by law.
I assume that was "any new car", because I don't recall a mandate to install such a feature in older cars, but I admit that's nitpicking.
 
So new trend for hybrid Jeep owners?
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I assume that was "any new car", because I don't recall a mandate to install such a feature in older cars, but I admit that's nitpicking.

Yeah it was in the 2012 NDAA.
 
Yeah it was in the 2012 NDAA.
One of these days I want to disable that. There's videos on youtube about how to do it, but you gotta be careful because, probably to try to stop people, the module is frequently physically next to the trigger module for airbags, so that if you're not careful, you might set 'em off removing the thing. (Oh, wait, that was actually the module that records OBD data, IIRC.)
 
and this is why i drive a 1964 Ford F600. No OtA updates, no bullshit.

I go out every day and it starts and I drive it. Insurance is around $150/ 6 months.

Someone plowed into me doing 40 and we, me and the truck, laughed at their smashed to hell Nissan and then I drove away, still laughing.
 
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