slow transfer speed

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  1. amitalpha

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    I have laptop with good specification
    which are core i7 processor and 8 gigs of Ram
    hdd is 1 tb ST1000LM024
    earlier there wasn't any issues with the speed of copying and moving files between drives but now am getting only 12 mb/s as an avg. Speed
    please help for this problem.
    am getting tired of this.:(
    i have uploaded a benchmark for the same.
     

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  2. rive22

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    Is there something accessing the drive in the background? Post a list of process explorer or check resource monitor under the disk section.
     
  3. amitalpha

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    Here's both
    and disk usually goes to 90 while doing some transfer. Untitled.png Untitled1.png
     
  4. rive22

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    Are there any warnings under the health section in HD Tune?
     
  5. amitalpha

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    There's nothing under health section but i did error check and there wasn't any damaged block
     
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    Interesting. If you have another system you can hook the drive up to and run the benchmark through that rig that would isolate the problem being with the drive and rule out other possibilities.
     
  7. amitalpha

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    But i don't have any other and this is the only laptop i got
     
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    And there's literally nothing under health section HDTune_Health_ST1000LMST1000LM024_HN-M.png
     
  9. rive22

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    I would open cmd prompt and run, chkdsk /r C:

    let it run after reboot. Then do the same thing for each individual partition after that, one partition at a time (E, F, H, D) since it's the same drive. It will take some time.

    Then run benchmark and check health again when all done.

    Also you can download and use crystaldiskinfo for health check.
     
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  10. amitalpha

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    Okay
    Let me try this
     
  11. AlienTech

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    You are copying files to the very same drive or between 2 different drives? 15mb speeds copying a whole bunch of small files is normal. The drive would most likely be missing NCQ. But in this case I think there is some kind of cable fault. Did you try running the hd tune program multiple times? Got to admit this is one I never seen before. With a cable fault the OS will downgrade the transfer to use ever slowing methods of transfer and most likely end up doing manual software block transfers. But then it would only work at those slower speeds until a reboot. But f the graph is the same twice in a row then well... stumped..
     
  12. amitalpha

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    I have done multiple benchmark it got better but situation is still the same.
    and i am talking about transfering both large and small files between two drives.
    at beginning it gives me speed like 80-90 mbps but after 2 seconds it comes down to 30mbps and stays at that speed constantly.
     
  13. Monkey God

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    Are one of these drives external? USB 2.0 interface?
     
  14. amitalpha

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    No internal drive
     
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    Did you run the recovery option of chkdsk on each partition like I said? Then check health in crystaldiskinfo? Hd tune block scan in fast mode isn't effective. Or try Hard Disk Sentinel.

    Your different drive letters are on the same drive which is why transfers between each drive letter are slow. It's not really a different drive, it's the same drive split up. Transfers are always fast the first few seconds because of cache, then will slow down. Regardless that doesn't explain the super low benchmark score.

    It could be a connection issue. Though it almost looks like something is indexing or hashing in the background.
     
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  16. amitalpha

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    Y
    Yes i did what you told i ran chkdsk for all drives partition, nothing wrong came out from those and yea benchmark got better but my situation is still the same.
    low speed. I even use to get 300mbps at starting but now its like somethings really wrong.
     
  17. amitalpha

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    These are the new benchmarks and health status is good in crystaldiskinfo HDTune_Benchmark_ST1000LMST1000LM024_HN-M-1.png
     
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    What does the benchmark show now? And no errors in crystaldisk after doing chkdsk?

    That drive isn't capable of 300MBps. The specs for that drive are between 110-45MBps across the board depending on where files are on the disk. Anything that you achieve faster than that is a result of cache and will be as a temporary speed boost.
     
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    Yeah that's a correct benchmark for that drive. You are good. Transfers are slow because of what was said before about different partitions. The only way to get fast transfers from that drive is to transfer to a completely different drive via any connection faster than USB 2.0.
     
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    Ohk but still a speed of 30 mbps that too for moving/copying internally is too low
     
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    And also
    If i talk about copying to or from a 3.0 pen drive it acts same first it gives me speed like 80 but then it comes down to 20.
    Wierd!!
     
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    Nah that's about right for that drive. Hard drives copying to itself is always much slower than copying to a different drive. Especially if the files are small.

    About the pen drive, make sure your USB 3.0 drivers are up to date. And also, if the files a are small, many USB drives write poorly in that case.

    If you want really fast, I suggest a SSD. It will copy to itself very fast.
     
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    But then how was i getting a good speed earlier this problem started this month only earlier it was like copying and moving in seconds no matter the file is large or small.
    and the files i move to check are large am talking about 8 gb per file
     
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    How full are the partitions? I would do a full optimize defrag with a good defragger like PerfectDisk. Do one partition at a time, since doing them all at once would choke the disk. As the drives fill up and get fragmented pieces of the files can get spread out all over the disk and make a big mess and free space becomes cluttered and less spots available for sequential writing, this can definitely slow things down. Make sure the program options are set so it doesn't skip large files.

    Not sure if the free version offers full optimize but Auslogics defrag will do it too.
     
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    They are at 60-70% filled and i do defragment weekly but windows only its set at weekly maintenance but then i have done by my slelf also
     
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    The key is to optimize the free space clearing up the clutter. Not sure if windows defrag does that, I don't think it does. 60-70% full un-optimized is definitely probably messy.

    Think of it like putting boxes in a room. If the floor is 70% full of boxes, having them all put in the corner leaves plenty of area for putting large boxes. But if they are scattered everywhere, then the new large boxes need to be split up all over the place, and that takes time, vs having the area free and ready.
     
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  27. amitalpha

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    Then
    Do you recommend to use Auslogics defrag ?
     
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    Yeah definitely, auslogics does the job well. Do full defrag first, then do Optimize defrag after. One partition at a time.
     
  29. amitalpha

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    Okay I'll try that and see if it works for me
     
  30. amitalpha

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    Well i defraged every drive.
    it didn't changed any thing
     
  31. rive22

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    Optimize defrag will help futher writing tremendously. But the fuller they get, the slower writing gets regardless. Nothing will restore the writing performance of a near empty drive other than a near empty drive.

    Also transferring from partitions that are further apart on the disk will be slower than transferring to closer ones.

    Make sure write caching is still enabled on the disk in device manager.

    Nothing wrong with your drive. Any single activity being performed on the drive will cripple other activities that you try to do, hashing, indexing, transfers, etc. That's about it.

    One you can do is buy a lot more ram and install a supercache on each partition. But in that case might as well get a SSD instead. Or they have those SSHD's.
     
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  32. amitalpha

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    So i cannot do anything with this drive
     
  33. drescherjm

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    Replace it with a SSD.
     
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    You can also just buy a small SSD for the OS and Apps then put the 1TB HDD in an external enclosure. Then you can remove all those partitions and just use the drive as a whole for your movies, music, downloads, etc. Your pc will be fast and you won't have to do any transferring things around all the time.
     
  35. amitalpha

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    Well that would be my last option
     
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    Price to performance wise it's your best option.

    In any event, all your options are listed.
     
  37. amitalpha

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    Isn't there anything left i can do
    by software tweaking
     
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  39. AlienTech

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    Seagate makes SMR drives and have been for 5 years at least. Desktop type drives are not supposed to use SMR drives but OEM's might have mistakenly put in an SMR drive. Right now 2tb drives are SMR but their performance is as good as normal drives. This after 5 years of software tweaking and performance based cache routines. I was amazed that my 8TB SMR drive would copy files faster than my 8TB WDC drive after half the drive was full because seagate used 5930RPM drives while WDC was a 5400rpm drive. Yea the amount of SMR blocks gets smaller and smaller as you move to the inside of the platters. Without more testing we cant know if a drive is SMR or not. Seagate does not advertise that part for all their drives. Not saying this is one of those drives. Unless it was a mistake by the OEM. The first HDTUNE graph does not match the second one posted which looks normal. windows 10 also has self tuning cache routines which work well in most cases but not in others. 30MB speeds for copying a bunch of files is normal. If you use terracopy you have a better iof the real copy speds since they dont use windows management.
     
  40. drescherjm

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    This is a 2.5 inch laptop drive. Not a SMR drive.