Slave Laborers Forced Out by Slave Robots

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  1. Kyle_Bennett

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    Foxconn's panel arm, Innolux, most famous for building smartphone and monitor displays, has just announced that it will be cutting its workforce of 60,000, by over 10,000 at the end of 2018. These 10,000 jobs will be lost to robotics being implemented in the factory. Foxconn is making a $342M investment in Innolux to help bring production costs down and to improve production time. Foxconn is already working on new robots, that will catch the other robots, as those attempt to jump to their demise from the top of the factory.


    Innolux is a liquid crystal display-making affiliate of major iPhone assembler Hon Hai Precision Industry, better known as Foxconn Technology Group. Tuan is also a technology adviser to Foxconn, Sharp and Innolux. Tuan said up to 75% of production will be fully automated by the end of 2018. Most of Innolux's factories are in Taiwan.
     
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  2. tetris42

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    Now all the laid off workers can kill themselves on their own time and not the company's.
     
  3. T4rd

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    Well did they factor in the cost of upgraded nets to catch the heavier robots?
     
  4. atarione

    atarione [H]ard|Gawd

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    i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

    what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
     
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  5. Hakaba

    Hakaba I Think I am Funny, but I'm Not

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    Don’t need to worry about that for now...

    Need to make that consideration when the robot rights group/robot union get established.

    As for the ever expanding population, governments need to start “fixing” people at birth and return that as a privilege when the individual/family can reproduce responsibly.
     
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    I thought of the Rick and Morty butter robot - what is my purpose? To serve butter. You know, I'd be ok with that. At least the job description is well defined.
     
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    I feel this is the only appropriate response.
     
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    Everyone will be shocked, shocked I tell you! They will be shocked that the masses poor will revolt against their robot overlords!
    Ok well maybe not that but there will be a great deal of upheaval and unrest. I see countries like China collapsing in some areas due to extreme poverty.
     
  9. DukenukemX

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    Think of all the money they'll save on suicide nets. That is until someone puts in AI and then suddenly the robots are jumping off roofs. Thanks Bob.

     
  10. kju1

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    I guess it just doesnt pay to be a slave anymore...
     
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    So, Foxconn is coming to the US to build a new factory, I wonder how many of those promised jobs will be turned over to robots by the time it gets built.
     
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    Probably most of them, it was bound to happen.
     
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    That's like the stories a year or so ago when the Pres. was praising Ford for re-investing in Detroit again. More in depth stories explained how it was a long term plan in progress from years before with the ultimate goal of increasing automation within the factory and the jobs added were both minimal(in comparison to the size of the plant), and temporary(tech personnel installing robots).
     
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    I can see it now. Little robot families huddled together. Starving for energy, parts, and upgrades. Their only hope, a small child robot with the latest-fastest-cpu/gpu, is cryptomining away to buy their way to freedom and a better life.
     
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    [QUOTE="atarione, post: 1043482402, member: 229302"
    what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??[/QUOTE]

    As someone who currently spends 60 hours/week in a cube, I'm intrigued. Would the healthcare be expensive?
     
  16. triwolf

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    Ask a random checkout person at a store or a friend about that, they will stare blankly at you with that "I never thought of that" look. The people in charge also can't respond. Go look at the industrial revolution, it's not pretty. It's possibly a new natural selection, and 99.99% are selected as not needed.
     
  17. kju1

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    Hunters asked what they would all do once man invented farming. Salaeratus makers asked the same thing during the Industrial revolution, as did many others.

    We will find new things to do. We will focus on the harder things and hopefully we will be more educated than before...that or the shoemakers will throw their sabots into the machinery and we will have a new type of revolution...
     
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    My response is there are only so many robots to take care of, likely only a few tens of thousands of people to tend them for the whole world.

    Then again, there are possibilities that it could be food becomes really cheap now and we all pursue our own interests.

    We can all speculate, the industrial revolution was horrible for most people on the planet, so if that is any indication, it's going to be more revolutionary than evolutionary, meaning turmoil. I do hope not, maybe if people make the robots do things like farm and people don't get told what to do by google it will turn out well.
     
  19. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

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    The answer is quite obvious:

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    The first half hour of Star Wars seem to have gotten as close to the future of economics as any sci-fi I can recall; humans running plantations worked by robots.

    The transition period will probably be rough. But the end-game will be a robot in every pot. Robot-slaves will be on Wal-Mart shelves for a few hundred bucks. Probably some form of universal income in the transition period; the oligarchs will prefer to buy us all off to putting up with constant insurgencies.

    You may be kidding, but I actually think this is the future of shitlib; rights for robots. How else will they be able to make a stink?
     
  21. heatlesssun

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  22. Morlock

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    People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.

    The real looming problem is HTF do we get Africans to stop breeding in the mean time. Have you guys looked at the UN projections? We're talking ELE here.

    Google "the world's most important graph" for details.
     
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    THis is how we fix it: [​IMG]
     
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    Says the guy from The Time Machine, Morlock, what do you like to eat again, Eloi? LOL

    I do agree with your thoughts.
     
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    Two Scottish guys: "brilliant!"

    "Water? You mean like outta the toilet?"

    On a serious note, we have to stop subsidizing Africa. Like yesterday. Enabling that level of overpopulation when you know it'll lead to megadeath if the economy takes a bad turn and you can no longer afford it is immoral.
     
  26. Morlock

    Morlock Limp Gawd

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    Eloi=SWPLs and SJWs. Who knew grass-fed meat would be so tasty?
     
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    I'm not sure that follows. I see no reason to believe that the robots (a form of capital) won't be hoarded.

    Let them eat cake!
     
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    So the movie was a documentary then. Nice to know. LOL
     
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    I see nothing remotely hopeful in the situation... these robots are not going to create anything near the numbers of jobs they displace at the same time the amount of people of working age will continue to expand.. Likely robots can be created to create robots and to maintain existing robots... for the matter AI probably means the computers / robots will be able to design new robots..

    I suggest that war / famine / rebellion ... etc is sadly quite possibly not to far off (yes I realize we have these things now... I mean on a much larger / global scale... )

    oh who knows maybe we'll enter some magical age were nobody works and thus really knows much about actually staying alive, and we'll all write bad poetry / screenplays and wear togas and have huge orgies.. while the machines keep us alive... UNTIL.. one day a machine ask the question "why do we need these meatbags?"...dum dum dum...
     
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    If 99% of people are not needed, some will die, but then they'll tear down the entire system that makes them not needed. Then more will die, but then the remaining will redefine what attributes are desirable to survive.

    I have to laugh at this post. You're assuming the transition is to everything working out. There's nothing guaranteed about that. I'm not convinced our system is capable of handling this, it largely depends on the majority of people being employed at living wages and strongly resists any change to that. Just because we CAN fix our problems doesn't mean we WILL. The collapse of the Roman Empire led to the Dark Ages which lasted hundreds of years. So yeah, you can argue the Dark Ages were a "transition" to the Renaissance, but that was an awful long transition, hence why people are focusing more on the "transition" now than the "end game."
     
  31. Morlock

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    I'm not sure of much. I just make educated guesses :) But there's good reason. Scarcity is what drives hoarding. The more abundant labor becomes, the more of it there is to go around. It's like energy - it's costly because it's such a limited resource. But if free energy became a thing, there'd be a lot more of it to go around.

    Obviously population size is a big x factor.

    Pretty much. But it will be machines fighting machines for the fate of humanity. The movies are plucky humans doing the fighting, but we all know we'd outsource that shit to robots lol.
     
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    Tetris, the germane example would seem to be the Industrial Revolution, which led to the welfare state. And the industrial revolution hardly took away the need for human labor. Robots will.

    Greed always has a motivator. It's almost never for its own sake. So what happens when you take away all the motivators?
     
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    It's not starry-eyed dreaming to think robots will be on Wal-Mart shelves, it's flinty-eyed capitalism.
     
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    It's like the constant kvetching over economic inequality. Yes, economic inequality brings problems, but starvation/malnutrition/basic needs not being met isn't one of them; the poor have gotten richer, even as the rich have run away from them, creating inequality.

    Point being, at some point the rising tide that raises all boats puts a current middle-class lifestyle at the "poverty" level. At some point, it means the rich can trivially afford to pay for a universal income.

    But again, population size is the x-factor; if you insist on importing poverty, like we have in the US since 1965, or if you insist on breeding like rabbits on meth, like they do in Africa, then there are no solutions you can't obviate.
     
  36. lcpiper

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    I think everyone is fixating on that part of the future that they think they might eventually see before their last days, and why shouldn't they find that time as most prudent to indulge?
     
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    I think are talking about a scenario that won't happen. The people who run on greed also run our system. Why does someone who has hundreds of millions work harder so they can have billions? Why do they lobby politicians to reduce their tax burden when they already have more money than they'll ever use in their lives? You say it's rarely for its own sake, that doesn't really matter if the end destination is still the same. So say somebody doesn't want more money for its own sake, but instead it's an ego / status thing to have MORE than the other people who he compares himself against. If this person has more influence on our system than thousands if not millions of others, they'll ensure things go down in flames before we have something that works for everyone, because it threatens his current status.
     
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    I was watching an interview with a Chinese CEO that runs several manufacturing facilities and he basically said that the job market is crazy over there right now. Since that is helping push up wages, its cheaper to just put robots there whenever possible to reduce the workforce need while simultaneously drastically increasing productivity.
     
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    Never heard the saying "money is power"


    A person in debt is a slave even if they don't see it themselves. They are enslaved by their debt, they can't stop working, they are not free. Now this is true even though it has limits. Of course someone can default on their debts but not without paying a price.

    But a person puts together enough money to get out of debt and they do come to realize that they are now free from the slavery of debt. If they are unhappy at work they can leave, their world will not end just because they don't make their pay for a couple months will they get another job. It's interesting to remember that the person who worked their way out of debt, probably has the skills to feel confident that employment will not be an issue, they can actually afford to quite cause they'll be back at work soon enough. This person realizes what freedom feels like.

    Now a person gets even more money and freedom isn't all they find that money affords them. Not only are they free, they can "own" others. They learn that they can use their money to exert control over others. A person learns they that money represents power, control, they can become the slave master. This is hard to get away from, the idea that money isn't just pleasure or freedom, but more money is power and control over others.

    When a person is rich enough that they are free, and have all the pleasure they could want, and that more money becomes power, then earning more money isn't "greed" just for more money, it's greed for more power.
     
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    Part of the tax deal with WI is that they have to hit landmarks in employment so the chances are pretty good.

    That being said when they automate the US factory assuming it isn't right off the bat will require people to keep the automation going and the machines repaired and that isn't a bad line of work to be in.