Slave Laborers Forced Out by Slave Robots

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Foxconn's panel arm, Innolux, most famous for building smartphone and monitor displays, has just announced that it will be cutting its workforce of 60,000, by over 10,000 at the end of 2018. These 10,000 jobs will be lost to robotics being implemented in the factory. Foxconn is making a $342M investment in Innolux to help bring production costs down and to improve production time. Foxconn is already working on new robots, that will catch the other robots, as those attempt to jump to their demise from the top of the factory.


Innolux is a liquid crystal display-making affiliate of major iPhone assembler Hon Hai Precision Industry, better known as Foxconn Technology Group. Tuan is also a technology adviser to Foxconn, Sharp and Innolux. Tuan said up to 75% of production will be fully automated by the end of 2018. Most of Innolux's factories are in Taiwan.
 
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
 
Don’t need to worry about that for now...

Need to make that consideration when the robot rights group/robot union get established.

As for the ever expanding population, governments need to start “fixing” people at birth and return that as a privilege when the individual/family can reproduce responsibly.
 
I thought of the Rick and Morty butter robot - what is my purpose? To serve butter. You know, I'd be ok with that. At least the job description is well defined.
 
atarione said:
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
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I feel this is the only appropriate response.
 
atarione said:
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
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Everyone will be shocked, shocked I tell you! They will be shocked that the masses poor will revolt against their robot overlords!
Ok well maybe not that but there will be a great deal of upheaval and unrest. I see countries like China collapsing in some areas due to extreme poverty.
 
tetris42 said:
Now all the laid off workers can kill themselves on their own time and not the company's.
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Think of all the money they'll save on suicide nets. That is until someone puts in AI and then suddenly the robots are jumping off roofs. Thanks Bob.

 
That's like the stories a year or so ago when the Pres. was praising Ford for re-investing in Detroit again. More in depth stories explained how it was a long term plan in progress from years before with the ultimate goal of increasing automation within the factory and the jobs added were both minimal(in comparison to the size of the plant), and temporary(tech personnel installing robots).
 
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what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??[/QUOTE]

As someone who currently spends 60 hours/week in a cube, I'm intrigued. Would the healthcare be expensive?
 
atarione said:
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
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Ask a random checkout person at a store or a friend about that, they will stare blankly at you with that "I never thought of that" look. The people in charge also can't respond. Go look at the industrial revolution, it's not pretty. It's possibly a new natural selection, and 99.99% are selected as not needed.
 
atarione said:
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
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Hunters asked what they would all do once man invented farming. Salaeratus makers asked the same thing during the Industrial revolution, as did many others.

We will find new things to do. We will focus on the harder things and hopefully we will be more educated than before...that or the shoemakers will throw their sabots into the machinery and we will have a new type of revolution...
 
kju1 said:
Hunters asked what they would all do once man invented farming. Salaeratus makers asked the same thing during the Industrial revolution, as did many others.

We will find new things to do. We will focus on the harder things and hopefully we will be more educated than before...that or the shoemakers will throw their sabots into the machinery and we will have a new type of revolution...
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My response is there are only so many robots to take care of, likely only a few tens of thousands of people to tend them for the whole world.

Then again, there are possibilities that it could be food becomes really cheap now and we all pursue our own interests.

We can all speculate, the industrial revolution was horrible for most people on the planet, so if that is any indication, it's going to be more revolutionary than evolutionary, meaning turmoil. I do hope not, maybe if people make the robots do things like farm and people don't get told what to do by google it will turn out well.
 
atarione said:
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
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The answer is quite obvious:

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The first half hour of Star Wars seem to have gotten as close to the future of economics as any sci-fi I can recall; humans running plantations worked by robots.

i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???
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The transition period will probably be rough. But the end-game will be a robot in every pot. Robot-slaves will be on Wal-Mart shelves for a few hundred bucks. Probably some form of universal income in the transition period; the oligarchs will prefer to buy us all off to putting up with constant insurgencies.

Need to make that consideration when the robot rights group/robot union get established.
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You may be kidding, but I actually think this is the future of shitlib; rights for robots. How else will they be able to make a stink?
 
People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.

The real looming problem is HTF do we get Africans to stop breeding in the mean time. Have you guys looked at the UN projections? We're talking ELE here.

Google "the world's most important graph" for details.
 
Morlock said:
People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.

The real looming problem is HTF do we get Africans to stop breeding in the mean time. Have you guys looked at the UN projections? We're talking ELE here.

Google "the world's most important graph" for details.
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THis is how we fix it:
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Morlock said:
People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.

The real looming problem is HTF do we get Africans to stop breeding in the mean time. Have you guys looked at the UN projections? We're talking ELE here.

Google "the world's most important graph" for details.
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Says the guy from The Time Machine, Morlock, what do you like to eat again, Eloi? LOL

I do agree with your thoughts.
 
Two Scottish guys: "brilliant!"

"Water? You mean like outta the toilet?"

On a serious note, we have to stop subsidizing Africa. Like yesterday. Enabling that level of overpopulation when you know it'll lead to megadeath if the economy takes a bad turn and you can no longer afford it is immoral.
 
Morlock said:
People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.
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I'm not sure that follows. I see no reason to believe that the robots (a form of capital) won't be hoarded.

Let them eat cake!
 
I see nothing remotely hopeful in the situation... these robots are not going to create anything near the numbers of jobs they displace at the same time the amount of people of working age will continue to expand.. Likely robots can be created to create robots and to maintain existing robots... for the matter AI probably means the computers / robots will be able to design new robots..

I suggest that war / famine / rebellion ... etc is sadly quite possibly not to far off (yes I realize we have these things now... I mean on a much larger / global scale... )

oh who knows maybe we'll enter some magical age were nobody works and thus really knows much about actually staying alive, and we'll all write bad poetry / screenplays and wear togas and have huge orgies.. while the machines keep us alive... UNTIL.. one day a machine ask the question "why do we need these meatbags?"...dum dum dum...
 
triwolf said:
Ask a random checkout person at a store or a friend about that, they will stare blankly at you with that "I never thought of that" look. The people in charge also can't respond. Go look at the industrial revolution, it's not pretty. It's possibly a new natural selection, and 99.99% are selected as not needed.
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If 99% of people are not needed, some will die, but then they'll tear down the entire system that makes them not needed. Then more will die, but then the remaining will redefine what attributes are desirable to survive.

Morlock said:
People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.
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I have to laugh at this post. You're assuming the transition is to everything working out. There's nothing guaranteed about that. I'm not convinced our system is capable of handling this, it largely depends on the majority of people being employed at living wages and strongly resists any change to that. Just because we CAN fix our problems doesn't mean we WILL. The collapse of the Roman Empire led to the Dark Ages which lasted hundreds of years. So yeah, you can argue the Dark Ages were a "transition" to the Renaissance, but that was an awful long transition, hence why people are focusing more on the "transition" now than the "end game."
 
I'm not sure that follows. I see no reason to believe that the robots (a form of capital) won't be hoarded.

Let them eat cake!
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I'm not sure of much. I just make educated guesses :) But there's good reason. Scarcity is what drives hoarding. The more abundant labor becomes, the more of it there is to go around. It's like energy - it's costly because it's such a limited resource. But if free energy became a thing, there'd be a lot more of it to go around.

Obviously population size is a big x factor.

oh who knows maybe we'll enter some magical age were nobody works and thus really knows much about actually staying alive, and we'll all write bad poetry / screenplays and wear togas and have huge orgies.. while the machines keep us alive... UNTIL.. one day a machine ask the question "why do we need these meatbags?"...dum dum dum...
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Pretty much. But it will be machines fighting machines for the fate of humanity. The movies are plucky humans doing the fighting, but we all know we'd outsource that shit to robots lol.
 
atarione said:
i mean... so what is the end game here... build new technologies to require less humans.. but the population of humans keeps expanding.. ???

what exactly are all the billions of surplus humans supposed to do.. other than offer their "services" to robots that have developed sexual appetites involving humans??
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There's always target practice ....... common, we all know how this ends
 
Tetris, the germane example would seem to be the Industrial Revolution, which led to the welfare state. And the industrial revolution hardly took away the need for human labor. Robots will.

Greed always has a motivator. It's almost never for its own sake. So what happens when you take away all the motivators?
 
It's not starry-eyed dreaming to think robots will be on Wal-Mart shelves, it's flinty-eyed capitalism.
 
It's like the constant kvetching over economic inequality. Yes, economic inequality brings problems, but starvation/malnutrition/basic needs not being met isn't one of them; the poor have gotten richer, even as the rich have run away from them, creating inequality.

Point being, at some point the rising tide that raises all boats puts a current middle-class lifestyle at the "poverty" level. At some point, it means the rich can trivially afford to pay for a universal income.

But again, population size is the x-factor; if you insist on importing poverty, like we have in the US since 1965, or if you insist on breeding like rabbits on meth, like they do in Africa, then there are no solutions you can't obviate.
 
Morlock said:
People tend to take a dark view of the robotic future, but I think they're fixating on a likely stage of the transition phase, not the end game. I mean, if labor is literally free, then everybody gets free labor. I.e., eventually the robots will be so cheap that everyone will have them.

The real looming problem is HTF do we get Africans to stop breeding in the mean time. Have you guys looked at the UN projections? We're talking ELE here.

Google "the world's most important graph" for details.
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I think everyone is fixating on that part of the future that they think they might eventually see before their last days, and why shouldn't they find that time as most prudent to indulge?
 
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Morlock said:
Tetris, the germane example would seem to be the Industrial Revolution, which led to the welfare state. And the industrial revolution hardly took away the need for human labor. Robots will.

Greed always has a motivator. It's almost never for its own sake. So what happens when you take away all the motivators?
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I think are talking about a scenario that won't happen. The people who run on greed also run our system. Why does someone who has hundreds of millions work harder so they can have billions? Why do they lobby politicians to reduce their tax burden when they already have more money than they'll ever use in their lives? You say it's rarely for its own sake, that doesn't really matter if the end destination is still the same. So say somebody doesn't want more money for its own sake, but instead it's an ego / status thing to have MORE than the other people who he compares himself against. If this person has more influence on our system than thousands if not millions of others, they'll ensure things go down in flames before we have something that works for everyone, because it threatens his current status.
 
tetris42 said:
I think are talking about a scenario that won't happen. The people who run on greed also run our system. Why does someone who has hundreds of millions work harder so they can have billions? Why do they lobby politicians to reduce their tax burden when they already have more money than they'll ever use in their lives? You say it's rarely for its own sake, that doesn't really matter if the end destination is still the same. So say somebody doesn't want more money for its own sake, but instead it's an ego / status thing to have MORE than the other people who he compares himself against. If this person has more influence on our system than thousands if not millions of others, they'll ensure things go down in flames before we have something that works for everyone, because it threatens his current status.
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Never heard the saying "money is power"


A person in debt is a slave even if they don't see it themselves. They are enslaved by their debt, they can't stop working, they are not free. Now this is true even though it has limits. Of course someone can default on their debts but not without paying a price.

But a person puts together enough money to get out of debt and they do come to realize that they are now free from the slavery of debt. If they are unhappy at work they can leave, their world will not end just because they don't make their pay for a couple months will they get another job. It's interesting to remember that the person who worked their way out of debt, probably has the skills to feel confident that employment will not be an issue, they can actually afford to quite cause they'll be back at work soon enough. This person realizes what freedom feels like.

Now a person gets even more money and freedom isn't all they find that money affords them. Not only are they free, they can "own" others. They learn that they can use their money to exert control over others. A person learns they that money represents power, control, they can become the slave master. This is hard to get away from, the idea that money isn't just pleasure or freedom, but more money is power and control over others.

When a person is rich enough that they are free, and have all the pleasure they could want, and that more money becomes power, then earning more money isn't "greed" just for more money, it's greed for more power.
 
jedijeb13 said:
So, Foxconn is coming to the US to build a new factory, I wonder how many of those promised jobs will be turned over to robots by the time it gets built.
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Part of the tax deal with WI is that they have to hit landmarks in employment so the chances are pretty good.

That being said when they automate the US factory assuming it isn't right off the bat will require people to keep the automation going and the machines repaired and that isn't a bad line of work to be in.
 
lcpiper said:
Never heard the saying "money is power"


A person in debt is a slave even if they don't see it themselves. They are enslaved by their debt, they can't stop working, they are not free. Now this is true even though it has limits. Of course someone can default on their debts but not without paying a price.

But a person puts together enough money to get out of debt and they do come to realize that they are now free from the slavery of debt. If they are unhappy at work they can leave, their world will not end just because they don't make their pay for a couple months will they get another job. It's interesting to remember that the person who worked their way out of debt, probably has the skills to feel confident that employment will not be an issue, they can actually afford to quite cause they'll be back at work soon enough. This person realizes what freedom feels like.

Now a person gets even more money and freedom isn't all they find that money affords them. Not only are they free, they can "own" others. They learn that they can use their money to exert control over others. A person learns they that money represents power, control, they can become the slave master. This is hard to get away from, the idea that money isn't just pleasure or freedom, but more money is power and control over others.

When a person is rich enough that they are free, and have all the pleasure they could want, and that more money becomes power, then earning more money isn't "greed" just for more money, it's greed for more power.
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Yeah, I'm not arguing any of what you said. The poster I was responding to seemed to think if there are enough resources to go around, then it wouldn't make sense for people to continue being greedy. I was trying to point out that's not the case at all. You're absolutely right, money translates to power and that certainly is a motivator for many individuals to keep earning more even when they have more than they could ever need or will use. Others it could be status, others it could just be a competitive drive, I'm sure there's a variety of reasons. My point is none of that goes away with increased automation and I think it's naive to think it would.
 
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