Simple poll: best 24" all-rounder

Which should I buy?

  • BenQ 241W

    Votes: 12 29.3%

  • Dell 2408WFP

    Votes: 16 39.0%

  • Wait for newer revision of Dell 2408WFP

    Votes: 13 31.7%
  • Total voters
    41
You need to have more choices for a real poll.

Plus "wait for newer revision" isn't a option at the moment.
 
Perhaps I should have explained that these are the two options I've narrowed it down to for my needs, being in the UK, into gaming + graphics work.
 
dell sucks for gaming. pickup one of the 25.5" ips panels, planar/doublesight/hanzo
 
Hmm, most people suggest waiting so far... Interesting. Will see how it pans out over the week.
 
notnyt said:
dell sucks for gaming. pickup one of the 25.5" ips panels, planar/doublesight/hanzo
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That second bit of advice isn't at all helpful, I'm afraid - none of those manufacturers sell in Europe.
 
I went with the LG L245WP. Originally I wanted to go with the Dell 2408WFP, but I quickly decided not to when I saw its 60ms input lag (which is something I can't stand). Input lag on the LG is pretty much as low as you'll find for a 24" non-TN panel (although I believe the BenQ is pretty close) and it has fairly decent colors. Not as good as the NEC 2490wuxi (there's still some horizontal gamma shifting and slight black crush in the middle), but not near as expensive either. Its input lag is also less than the NEC I believe.

Owen S said:
That second bit of advice isn't at all helpful, I'm afraid - none of those manufacturers sell in Europe.
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I think he may have meant Hazro, which is a relatively new company from the UK selling S-IPS panels exclusively. TFTCentral did a review of their 25.5" HZ26W model recently.
 
I voted FP241W because it has half the input lag and most of the same caveats of the 2408WFP, and it's cheaper.

I would probably wait for the Hazro HZ26W though at it looks promising and very likely uses the same panel as the Planar and Doublesight,

Here's a review:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz26w.htm

I believe they will be selling throughout Europe. Hopefully it won't be too long.

Regards,

10e
 
Man we need to sticky the: What is best 24" thread. Someone asks this every day.

IMO I am only thinking about two 24" inch monitors and neither is on you list, so I didn't vote.

NEC 2490 - This the best 24" monitor, there isn't even a close second. Downside: price.
Benq G2400w - This is a decent fast cheap 24". Downside it is TN and not great for imaging work.
 
Voetsjoeba said:
I went with the LG L245WP. Originally I wanted to go with the Dell 2408WFP, but I quickly decided not to when I saw its 60ms input lag (which is something I can't stand). Input lag on the LG is pretty much as low as you'll find for a 24" non-TN panel (although I believe the BenQ is pretty close) and it has fairly decent colors. Not as good as the NEC 2490wuxi (there's still some horizontal gamma shifting and slight black crush in the middle), but not near as expensive either. Its input lag is also less than the NEC I believe.
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As I understand it, the Benq and LG use the same panel. I mentioned both to Superflat in the original thread, but the LG seems not to have had quite such great reviews here, plus the Benq is available from more suppliers in the UK. I'm sure either would be fine.

That NEC model is well outside his budget, as you say (and mine).

EDIT: Also, that NEC model is not available in Europe at all.
I think he may have meant Hazro, which is a relatively new company from the UK selling S-IPS panels exclusively. TFTCentral did a review of their 25.5" HZ26W model recently.
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Thanks for pointing that out to me.

I did think it looked interesting, so I went off to investigate the company and find out how much their monitors cost. They seem to be a Korean company who have decided to put their European base in the UK.

Unfortunately, even though these good reviews are now four months old, Hazro currently have no stockists at all in the UK, and probably none anywhere. At one stage, one company (with two websites) was stocking them, but I'd never heard of them and neither link now works anyway. Currently, TFT Central say that prospective customers should contact Hazro directly via their website. Link

Personally, I don't want to take the risk that I buy an expensive monitor from this company and they go out of business within six months, or at least get out of the consumer display market.
 
It's kinda odd that most people seem to suggest the Dell in the poll, but the BenQ in the posts. I'm confused now! Need more results still I think. The Hazro does sound interesting but I think it's out of my price range and I'm also worried about lack of support (hard to track it down in my admittedly brief search.)
 
BenQ has half the input lag of the Dell, so +1 on BenQ for gaming.

Connectivity is close, but I'll give Dell +1 due to extra digital port and display port

Color accuracy out of the box BenQ +1

Color accuracy after calibration even.

I've run input lag tests on the FP241VW. It was better than the rated 40+ ms I've seen. It's generally high 20s to mid 30s. Big difference from 60+ on Dell.

Regards,

10e
 
Superflat said:
It's kinda odd that most people seem to suggest the Dell in the poll, but the BenQ in the posts.
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No surprise!
People read about Dell 2408 input lag 60+ (which is less) in newspapers and retell that.

BUT when it comes to reality - nobody of real users say "it prevents me from playing games" or "I returned my Dell due to input lag".
Users may prefer exceptional contrast ratio, deeper black and vivid colors of the Dell (with more lag - on paper) to rather pale outdated BenQ (with less lag - on paper).
 
albovin said:
No surprise!
People read about Dell 2408 input lag 60+ (which is less) in newspapers and retell that.

BUT when it comes to reality - nobody of real users say "it prevents me from playing games" or "I returned my Dell due to input lag".
Users may prefer exceptional contrast ratio, deeper black and vivid colors of the Dell (with more lag - on paper) to rather pale outdated BenQ (with less lag - on paper).
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The lag tests I saw were on this forum, not in "newspapers" (who reads "newspapers" or any other printed media for monitor reviews anyway?)

Again, read through the Dell2408WFP thread on this forum. Link. Lots of people in that thread said that they decided to send their monitor back. Granted, I'm sure lots of other people are completely satisfied, but it simply isn't true that "no real users" have returned theirs.
 
Owen S said:
Lots of people in that thread said that they decided to send their monitor back.
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No! You are mixing up different things.
As a part of other discussion, I have searched 2408 thread (actually last 10 ! pages - most informative part) looking specifically for returns due to input lag. Maybe one case or so.
Most reasons for return are (apart of some quality issues that is normal for any inexpensive monitor): users' inability to handle new technology and abuse of Dell''s return policy.

When I say "newspapers" I mean figures of input lag - 40-50-60 - printed or published or rumored - figures about figures, not a real experience.
Figures give a rough idea.The figure is bad, what about real experience? Is it as bad as the figure? That's what I mean.
 
albovin said:
When I say "newspapers" I mean figures of input lag - 40-50-60 - printed or published or rumored - figures about figures, not a real experience.
Figures give a rough idea.The figure is bad, what about real experience? Is it as bad as the figure? That's what I mean.
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Well that's just a matter of how sensitive you are you input lag. For something as subjective as input lag, you can't rely on other people's experiences; what's important is knowing for yourself how sensitive you are to it, and of course knowing what the input lag is on the monitor you're looking to buy. Sure, maybe most people don't have a problem with the ~60ms input lag, but that doesn't mean nobody does, and most importantly, it doesn't mean that you won't.

I, for example, noticed the input lag on my ~30ms 2407WFP-HC, but only in desktop applications. During games, I'm immune to it somehow. So I went with the LG L245WP, which isn't input lag-free, but it has about the lowest amount of input lag amongst 24" non-TN panels.

My point being, you have to figure out for yourself whether input lag is a big deal for you; other people's experiences are irrelevant.
 
albovin said:
No surprise!
People read about Dell 2408 input lag 60+ (which is less) in newspapers and retell that.

BUT when it comes to reality - nobody of real users say "it prevents me from playing games" or "I returned my Dell due to input lag".
Users may prefer exceptional contrast ratio, deeper black and vivid colors of the Dell (with more lag - on paper) to rather pale outdated BenQ (with less lag - on paper).
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The guy in the picture is using a dual display(a mitsubushi crt and a dell 2408). In this picture the guy is moving forward and you can see that on the crt that a player has appeared on his screen while he didn't yet appear on the dell 2408.
That is the true difference between huge lag and almost no lag.
The guy in front will have time to shoot a bullet at you before you can see him. For some people it wont matter for the gamers it will matter.
 
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