Should I upgrade?(Gaming Rig)

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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc

Mostly gaming, some Photoshop and light programming.

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?
$500, and Yes.

3) Where do you live?


USA, NYC. So Fry's and Microcenter are out of the question unless I can order online.

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget? CPU, RAM, case, etc. Please be very specific.

CPU, RAM, MOBO, VIDEO CARD. I already have everything else.

5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.


I am reusing HDDs, PSU(OCZ 600W StealthXStream), DVD Drive, Case, and anything else I possibly can.

6) Will you be overclocking?

Absolutely!

7) What size monitor do you have and/or plan to have?

This is a 1080p ASUS monitor. 21.6 inches if I remember correctly. 1920 x 1080 res.

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?

Now
9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? etc.

Full crossfire support with x16 on both slots would be nice.

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license?

Yes.


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I saved about $500 right now, and I'm wondering if it's worth it for me to upgrade.
My system in sig, suits me fine atm, except the video card which finally started showing it's age noticeably.

The other reason I have for an upgrade is that I can still sell my older parts for some descent cash, which will return some of the funds I will spend on new parts. In a year or so, this may not be possible.

So to summarize, my questions are:

1)How close is my system to the point where it would be just too slow to play modern games at 1920 x 1080 with medium to high settings, given my OC'd CPU and the possible addition of a HD 4890 or a 5850?

2)Do you think it would be more cost effective for me to just keep using my current rig and upgrade in a year, or should I upgrade now, and sell older parts while I still can? My budget of $500 seems insufficient with prices around $200 for a descent mobo and cpu EACH. And that not counting the $100 DDR3 ram and $300 video card.

I know such questions are somewhat annoying because the final decision is ultimately up to me, but I want to get some opinions, because I really don't have much of a clue about how competitive(or not) my current system is in today's world. (gaming performance wise)
 
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I would upgrade

1. The video card to 5850
2. Better PSU like a Antec New Truepower or Corsair
3. Overclock the CPU to 3.8-4.1 GHz.
 
C2D e6300 Conroe 1.8GHz @ 3.0GHz -> to q9950 for $250
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 rev 3.3
G.SKILL 2GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 ->4 more gigs G.Skill DDR2 800 (hopefully timings are the same) for $84
120 and 500Gb HDs
eVGA 8800 GTS -> XFX 4890 for $190
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
Antec Super Lanboy
700w OCZ GameXtream
Asus VH226H + ViewSonic VP171b



Comes to $524 but there are other places you could get a Q9550 for cheaper (ebay, forums here, have someone who lives by a MC send one, etc) For what you have already I think this upgrade path is cheaper and better for you. Of course you can twink it some but you get the idea.
 
Thanks guys.


Direfox, I forgot to update my sig to what I currently have. Hopefully it's displaying properly now.

e5200 Wolfdale @ 3.1GHz
GIGABYTE EP45-UD3L
G.SKILL 4GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
640 and 500Gb HDs
eVGA 8800 GTS 640mb (rezzed by baking 3 times now!)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
Cooler Master CM 690
600w OCZ StealthXtream
Asus VH226H

I'm also leaning toward the 4890 over the 5850 because a)It's MUCH cheaper. b)It's DX10 performance is very respectable, and will most likely stay that way for all upcoming DX10 only games. c)There's not that many games out there with DX11 support, and no DX11 only games on the horizon. By the time this changes, I'll probably be forced to build a completely new system anyway... On the other hand, I'll still consider the 5850, because I can crossfire it in a new build with a 2nd one in a year or so.
 
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i would upgrade your PSU to a better Quality. OCZ just isnt there. Corsair, seasonic, enermax, Antec
 
i would upgrade your PSU to a better Quality. OCZ just isnt there. Corsair, seasonic, enermax, Antec

Also a valid suggestion, but the OP isn't anywhere near the 500W threshold for those OCZ PSUs so it should last. However, if he will be upgrading or building a new system, then that PSU has to go.
 
Thanks guys.


Direfox, I forgot to update my sig to what I currently have. Hopefully it's displaying properly now.

e5200 Wolfdale @ 3.1GHz
GIGABYTE EP45-UD3L
G.SKILL 4GB DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
640 and 500Gb HDs
eVGA 8800 GTS 640mb (rezzed by baking 3 times now!)
Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS
Cooler Master CM 690
600w OCZ StealthXtream
Asus VH226H

I'm also leaning toward the 4890 over the 5850 because a)It's MUCH cheaper. b)It's DX10 performance is very respectable, and will most likely stay that way for all upcoming DX10 only games. c)There's not that many games out there with DX11 support, and no DX11 only games on the horizon. By the time this changes, I'll probably be forced to build a completely new system anyway... On the other hand, I'll still consider the 5850, because I can crossfire it in a new build with a 2nd one in a year or so.

Ahhh, the e5200 is a very capable overclocker. It's a difficult call whether a quadcore is worth it right now (I'm in the same boat right now). I really like having two running systems so here is something to think about. If you buy a 5850 and a decent PSU you have a great start on a new system that will give you benefits now and once you build a new system in the future, you can transfer your PSU + 5850 to the new system and rebuild your old system as it is now. Sure the 5850 is going to be bottlenecked some by your CPU, but you will still get great performance out of it.
 
I have a brand new OCZ 850W PSU laying around... Will that be enough for a new build in the future, or do I STILL have to get another PSU?
 
OCZ is mostly hit or miss. Mostly miss, please post the model number of the 850watt.
 
model number is OCZGXS850.


So far I had 2 OCZ PSUs. My 1st one, the 700W GameXStream started having voltage issues about 2 years after purchase. It was still under warranty so I bought a 600W PSU in my sig while waiting for a replacement. OCZ sent me a new 850w unit, and my 600W unit has been working for about a year now with no problems.

The death of my 1st PSU might have been my fault. My case has a vent on the bottom, right on the same level with the PSU fan. Since the tower is standing on the floor the vent constantly gets clogged up with dust and the PSU must be choking to death... I did raise the tower above floor level by a few inches, but after every month or so, the vent stil requires cleaning.
 
OCZ is mostly hit or miss. Mostly miss, please post the model number of the 850watt.

OCZ PSUs are not the cream of the crop and some have known ripple/voltage suppression issues. If you want to be safe, you should consider a quality PSU. It also depends on your system. If you will not be running a CF/SLI setup and your system will only be drawing ~400W, then the OCZ should work fine.
 
You could flip your PSU so that the fan/vent is facing the top of the case (or, rather, the video card). That would minimize the frequency of having to clean the fan area, if not reduce the chances of the PSU "sucking" up water.

That said, I agree with the consensus that replacing your PSU, buying another 4GB set of DDR2 RAM, (possibly) a new video card, and a (used) Core 2 Quad would be a better use for your $500.
 
I have a brand new OCZ 850W PSU laying around... Will that be enough for a new build in the future, or do I STILL have to get another PSU?

The GameXstream 850W and the StealthXStream 600W PSUs are both based on the same troublesome FSP Episilon PSU design which has out of spec ripple, or voltage fluctuations, at high loads (roughly 500W or so) that can damage or kill your system.
 
Also a valid suggestion, but the OP isn't anywhere near the 500W threshold for those OCZ PSUs so it should last. However, if he will be upgrading or building a new system, then that PSU has to go.

I agree.

You could flip your PSU so that the fan/vent is facing the top of the case (or, rather, the video card). That would minimize the frequency of having to clean the fan area, if not reduce the chances of the PSU "sucking" up water. ...

I agree, flip it if this is a problem for you.

For HD 4890 CF or HD 5850 CF? Nope, not enough. Pick up at least a quality 750W PSU for that kind of setup.

I agree.

Keep the OCZ SXS 600W for now. Sell the GXS 850W now. If and when you upgrade to CFX/SLI, get a better quality PSU THEN, not now. ;)
 
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