Shimmering problem fixed!!!!!!

[legcramp]

i just saw forceware 66.74 @ guru3d and installed it.. and no more shimmering for me!! woohoo!!!

 

[legcramp]

ahh nvm

 

[oozish]

goofy....

 

[lewis_johnstone]

man that is so unfair.

come on ATI, release a driver to stop our shimmering too!

 

[Cali3350]

Shimmering still in with these dcrivers...

 

[provoko]

man that is so unfair.

come on ATI, release a driver to stop our shimmering too!

I thought the AI drivers fixed shimmering with ATI cards.

 

[tranCendenZ]

I thought the AI drivers fixed shimmering with ATI cards.

Nope.

BTW, has anyone who is experiencing the shimmering try the 70.xx quadro drivers on NV's site?

 

[legcramp]

yeah there are still shimmering.. but in cs:s .. the firstmap i tested it out on was de_aztec.. which was PERFECT.. no shimmering.. and so i went here to post it right away... only when the map switched to de_cobble.... a few minutes later and ruin my hope sorry guys heeh but hey it's a new driver!! hehe

 

[Dillusion]

i just did a fresh install of windows after getting the AG8, and my shimmering is gone. its pretty random...

 

[legcramp]

what the heck is an AG8?? i wanna knoe!!!

 

[chuckm1020]

what the heck is an AG8?? i wanna knoe!!!

An Abit motherboard. That has the new intel socket T on it or called LGA775 also. his uses the 915 chipset, there is also a 925 chipset out there for LGA 775. Look in his sig too eEHHEHHEEHEH LOL

 

[kre62]

I uninstalled my 66.xx series drivers, used driver cleaner in safe mode, and installed the omega 61.77 performance drivers and my shimmering is greatly reduced if not gone all together.

 

[Warmonkey]

WTF is shimmering?

I have a 9800xt with latest Catalyst drivers, no artifacts in any game.

 

[tranCendenZ]

WTF is shimmering?

I have a 9800xt with latest Catalyst drivers, no artifacts in any game.

its a weird shimmering artifact that not everyone gets on both ati and nv cards. if you dont notice it dont worry about it basically

 

[legcramp]

O haha stupid me

 

[Cali3350]

its a weird shimmering artifact that not everyone gets on both ati and nv cards. if you dont notice it dont worry about it basically

MUCH more common on Nvidia. Infact most people with both are saying ATI's problem is simply their opts. Nvidias is just...screwy. With AA on in the certain area of the screen its actually not AA'd. Its either a Nvidia bug or opt.

 

[gordon151]

I dunno why tranCendenZ keeps trying to insist ati users are having a major problem with shimmering when they arent. Like some kind of justification for his issues or something.

 

[tranCendenZ]

I dunno why tranCendenZ keeps trying to insist ati users are having a major problem with shimmering when they arent. Like some kind of justification for his issues or something.

like just reporting what others have posted in the various shimmering threads started by cali in various forums

A64 Shimmer x800xt(me)

Farcry everything pimped out
shimmering. When you start moving these little areas I drew out...start moving vibrating

This is somewhat related I assume... I notice "shimmering" such as that in the screenshot of farcry, little white dotted lines where skins seperate that I have noticed mainly in CS and CS:S. However, I am NOT using an nVidia card. I am using a 9800XT with stock clocks.

For those interested, I get that same *exact* shimmering effect in bf1942 on my 9500pro if, and only if, I have AF enabled.

This problem also exists to some extent on a X800 card as I had a X800XT PE for two months. The high quality setting with optimizations off seem to eliminate most of this problem on my 6800 Ultra.

I had a X800Pro. ATi's optimized AF is more offensive in this department than nVidia's set to high quality no optimizations.

Ok, I have read this entire thread now, as well as the one at NVNews, next up I will read the one at B3D.

I'd like to point out that I did mention this "shimmering" problem which I noticed on the X700XT actually, here: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjY2LDY= Under the Image Quality section.

This definitely warrants investigation on both NVIDIA and ATI hardware

I will be looking specifically for this problem on future reviews, and point it out if its very noticeable.

Also regarding the dots/lines that are appearing at the seams of textures or other parts of the texture I have noticed this one too, a lot, I first pointed it out here: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjY0LDEw and then here: http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjY2LDQ= in DOOM 3, FarCry and City of Heroes. I have also been playing CS:S a lot lately and have noticed it badly in that game. ATI is aware of and looking into that dot/line problem.

 

[gordon151]

Oh come the heck on. Sc0rched isnt even talking about shimmering, hordaktheman admitted it was a settings error, and malficar and arioch are talking from earlier this year about problems which were fixed (which I have a feeling about which specific games they saw this in). Only thing which might be an issue is what brent saw and thats specific to the game and Netrat33 (which I dunno what the hecks up with his setup, he has way too many problems).

 

[tranCendenZ]

Oh come the heck on. Sc0rched isnt even talking about shimmering, hordaktheman admitted it was a settings error, and malficar and arioch are talking from earlier this year about problems which were fixed (which I have a feeling about which specific games they saw this in). Only thing which might be an issue is what brent saw and thats specific to the game and Netrat33 (which I dunno what the hecks up with his setup, he has way too many problems).

so what would you like to call the white dotted line artifact that sc0rched is experiencing on his ATI card if you don't want to call it shimmering?

 

[gordon151]

I call it time to put some better cooling on his 9800XT. Though I'm not entirely sure what it is, but it really does not sound like shimmering.

 

[tranCendenZ]

I call it time to put some better cooling on his 9800XT.

brent and netrat also got the white dotted lines on their ATI cards, so i don't think its just cooling

in fact brent stated:

ATI is aware of and looking into that dot/line problem.

so the real question is, since both cards appear to have shimmering-type artifacts on certain setups and games, why are you railing so hard that ATI doesn't?

 

[Cali3350]

so what would you like to call the white dotted line artifact that sc0rched is experiencing on his ATI card if you don't want to call it shimmering?

Ooh, i knwo what ill call it!

HAVING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NVIDIA SHIMMERING PROBLEM.

 

[Sc0rched]

I call it time to put some better cooling on his 9800XT. Though I'm not entirely sure what it is, but it really does not sound like shimmering.

I have tested, and it is not the cooling. I have even tried putting an industrial fan to check, which lowers the card to 56C, and it only artifacts on corners, or where the skin changes. Turning on AA helps, but doesnt fix it even when maxed. Ill post a screenshot in a minute of what it looks like.

ATI is aware of and looking into that dot/line problem.

I hope they fix it, it annoys me. My last 9800XT didn't do this, to bad it died.

 

[gordon151]

brent and netrat also got the white dotted lines on their ATI cards, so i don't think its just cooling

in fact brent stated:


so the real question is, since both cards appear to have shimmering-type artifacts on certain setups and games, why are you railing so hard that ATI doesn't?

Ok, last reply here. Brent saw what looks like artifacts. That is not shimmering. I'm sure you're quite aware of what shimmering is (at least I hope) and I even remember the thread about that review where people asked brent if he backed down the clocks to get rid of the artifacts. I dunno what netrats problem is, but I does seem to be more specific to himself (might be issues with the drivers and his setup, I dunno). Ok, we done here? I am .

 

[gordon151]

I have tested, and it is not the cooling. I have even tried putting an industrial fan to check, which lowers the card to 56C, and it only artifacts on corners, or where the skin changes. Turning on AA helps, but doesnt fix it even when maxed. Ill post a screenshot in a minute of what it looks like.



I hope they fix it, it annoys me. My last 9800XT didn't do this, to bad it died.

I'm not even remotely familiar with your problem, but I'll try to suggest something. Since different driver versions dont help and its not a cooling issue, have you tried flashing to a different bios? Another 9800XT bios might help fix your issue. Also if you want to try it, remember to backup your current bios.

 

[Sc0rched]

Now, This might not be the shimmering problem, but my original comment I made was based off a Farcry screenshot in an earlier thread showing it, and the description of the problem. I have made the images smaller to fit the forum better, and not take up as much bandwith The real dots are actually bigger in the game, I have circled them with red and made arrows. The dots move around based on my agle I am looking at it.

Screenshot 1

Screenshot 2

Screenshot 3

 

[Cali3350]

Now, This might not be the shimmering problem, but my original comment I made was based off a Farcry screenshot in an earlier thread showing it, and the description of the problem. I have made the images smaller to fit the forum better, and not take up as much bandwith The real dots are actually bigger in the game, I have circled them with red and made arrows. The dots move around based on my agle I am looking at it.

Screenshot 1

Screenshot 2

Screenshot 3

Nope, not same prob at all. It is a nasty one however.

 

[Apple740]

so what would you like to call the white dotted line artifact that sc0rched is experiencing on his ATI card if you don't want to call it shimmering?

Look the two BF1942 vids provided in the shimmer topic, rendered by 6800 and X800, that's shimmering. X800 shimmers there too, however, in 6800's case the shimmering is about 100 times more worse.

 

[HeavenX]

This is not about if the game has shimmering or not. In every game there must be some sort of places where it shimmers but its in the distance and it is very small and not a problem. But with 6800 it is very bad and the level of shimmering is on scale 10 from a scale of 1 to 10. You cant make a game where shimmering is not present its always there but the level of it should be very small if the drivers are normal and not screwed up.
Soo the whole point is the level of shimmering that is with the nvidia cards today that is not normal and it has to be fixed soon as possible. I also find out earlier that having more shimmering in games can improve the performance in games soo im not trying to say anything soo you be the judge. What I do know is that everytime a graphics card comes out the designers always play dumb with people so they can look good with the results of the hardware. I hope that the next official driver from nvidia will fix this thing that has the 6800 cards infected with the high level of shimmering. I have written in other posts that these new 6800 cards are very new and complex and it will take time to perfect it with drivers and right now they are far from being half way there and soon they sure will be.

 

[tranCendenZ]

If someone really wants to go nuts, see if shimmering happens with 60.72

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=774

note that this driver only supports 6800U

 

[tranCendenZ]

check this out, important!:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=826521

 

[BioVader]

Well I have a x800xtpe and refuse to play BF: DC because of shimmering.. At least it must be what you guys are talking about.. I've had the problem sine the last BF: DC patch.. What I see is areas of the hud and radar for etc. flash all over the screen. But it's basically numbers that I see flashing all ove.. drives me nuts.. I also seen this with Q3 but it's not as bad.. Don't have a problem with CS:S

 

[HeavenX]

Well I have a x800xtpe and refuse to play BF: DC because of shimmering.. At least it must be what you guys are talking about.. I've had the problem sine the last BF: DC patch.. What I see is areas of the hud and radar for etc. flash all over the screen. But it's basically numbers that I see flashing all ove.. drives me nuts.. I also seen this with Q3 but it's not as bad.. Don't have a problem with CS:S

Well I have a friend who has x800xt and the shimmering level is not even close when compared to Nvidia cards. Like I said all games have to have low level shimmering, it is natural to have it on monitors.. But the level of shimmering on Nvidia cards is soo high that some games are just not playable. Soo before you post your foolish post again I suggest you read more about the nature of shimmering...

 

[tranCendenZ]

Well I have a friend who has x800xt and the shimmering level is not even close when compared to Nvidia cards. Like I said all games have to have low level shimmering, it is natural to have it on monitors.. But the level of shimmering on Nvidia cards is soo high that some games are just not playable. Soo before you post your foolish post again I suggest you read more about the nature of shimmering...

Uhh don't call him foolish because he is having a similar iq problem even if its not the exact same thing.

also those reading this thread who have a 6800 with shimmering, post mobo chipset in this thread plz:
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=826521

i think the shimmering is nf2/nf3 specific

 

[Netrat33]

*laughing*

I gotta come to tranCendenz defense here

Yes he's biased and a big fan of nvidia, but it's not like he's lying.

So funny. Sometimes you people need to let go of your fan base and just look at the issues and start trying to help each other or notify the world. It happens on both cards and it's been proven and being looked into (Brent_justice reported and for those of you who don't know who that is. He is the videocard editor for HardOCP).

And for those who keep saying "The ati graphic issues is a different thing"....WHO CARES! It's still annoying!! It's still moving textures/lines that shouldn't be there! But it's still considered a form of shimmering.

 

[Netrat33]

Ok, last reply here. Brent saw what looks like artifacts. That is not shimmering. I'm sure you're quite aware of what shimmering is (at least I hope) and I even remember the thread about that review where people asked brent if he backed down the clocks to get rid of the artifacts. I dunno what netrats problem is, but I does seem to be more specific to himself (might be issues with the drivers and his setup, I dunno). Ok, we done here? I am .

*laughing* Oh my god! If you look around other people are reporting the same issue. I'm not alone (I personally am very vocal about it as with Cali with his card)

My computer is coming from a clean new build with the latest drivers. Also if you seen my other posts you'll see that i mentioned it seemed to happen right when I got my A64 cpu which like in other threads SEEMS to cause more of the random issue for people.

It's random and that's what sucks.

 

[Brent_Justice]

the dots problem is not the same as the sparkling texture problem

two seperate issues