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Wrench00

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Omg no wonder MS is pushing no gui Servers. We are going back to command line with Powershell and they are pushing it hardcore cause Metro UI on Server OS is the epic fail. I seriously hope MS does something about this cause I can imagine untrained muppets are going to fuck networks over hardcore.. Oh well I guess I will start doing Core installs from now on so I can insure that I have a Job.. I love you MS :D
 
Wrench00 said:
Omg no wonder MS is pushing no gui Servers. We are going back to command line with Powershell and they are pushing it hardcore cause Metro UI on Server OS is the epic fail. I seriously hope MS does something about this cause I can imagine untrained muppets are going to fuck networks over hardcore.. Oh well I guess I will start doing Core installs from now on so I can insure that I have a Job.. I love you MS :D
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Unix :) learn it :) screw ms :) Or stick with 2008 :)
 
What is the problem exactly? The desktop is still there. The Control Panel is still there. Metro on Server 8 is just a few tiles linking to common options.
 
I miss my Start mainly My run and search, I like my administrative tools. I tend to use my controlpanel.msc (applets) a lot to 99% of system administration and its fast. I rather not spend 2 hour customizing an OS to do something 2k8r2 or 2k8 does perfectly fine with out customizations. There is no need to subject sys admin to the new UI. I like the ribbon but hate metro. Oh well I guess I will do more through powershell so I don't have stupid muppets mess with my servers and I will also ensure that muppets can't replace me. I've seen so called sys admins screw up something simple as a SBS server so powershell will just make me more money :D
 
I'm glad I've gotten used to 2008 R2 because I think I'm going to be using it for many, many years to come.
 
The old UI is just a reg hack away. If you can't find the registry and add it to a policy so you don't have to make the change on all your servers... well..
 
Wrench00 said:
I miss my Start mainly My run and search, I like my administrative tools. I tend to use my controlpanel.msc (applets) a lot to 99% of system administration and its fast. I rather not spend 2 hour customizing an OS to do something 2k8r2 or 2k8 does perfectly fine with out customizations. There is no need to subject sys admin to the new UI. I like the ribbon but hate metro. Oh well I guess I will do more through powershell so I don't have stupid muppets mess with my servers and I will also ensure that muppets can't replace me. I've seen so called sys admins screw up something simple as a SBS server so powershell will just make me more money :D
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This trick works in the Consumer Preview of Windows 8, does it work in Server as well? Move your mouse cursor to the bottom left corner so that the Start Screen icon pops up, then RIGHT click. A nifty menu should pop up with useful administrative tools. E.g. Run, Search, Command Prompt, Computer management, etc. Check it out! It might come in handy!
 
Wrench00 said:
I miss my Start mainly My run and search, I like my administrative tools. I tend to use my controlpanel.msc (applets) a lot to 99% of system administration and its fast. I rather not spend 2 hour customizing an OS to do something 2k8r2 or 2k8 does perfectly fine with out customizations. There is no need to subject sys admin to the new UI. I like the ribbon but hate metro. Oh well I guess I will do more through powershell so I don't have stupid muppets mess with my servers and I will also ensure that muppets can't replace me. I've seen so called sys admins screw up something simple as a SBS server so powershell will just make me more money :D
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Typing at the start screen still searches. Win+R still runs.
 
This is an uneeded change. There is no sense in changing ui on a server on an OS.
 
Microsoft has always had the same UI on it's desktop and server OS and Metro should allow for easier server management remotely with tablets and other touch devices.
 
It is relatively stupid to switch a server UI to match one that was meant for personal use. Maybe it would be useful for the next home server iteration, but an enterprise-class box? No way.
 
LAiN_OfTheWired said:
It is relatively stupid to switch a server UI to match one that was meant for personal use. Maybe it would be useful for the next home server iteration, but an enterprise-class box? No way.
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Why not? You get a call at 2 AM to check a server, you grab your tablet from your bedside table and can control basic server functions easily with touch, no need necessarily for a bulky laptop.
 
I have a feeling Win8 is gonna be like when they switched to XP style menus...or to the Win7 toolbar.

Everyone bitches, whines, and gets upset. Then they are forced to use it for a bit and find a new workflow, and in the past cases it has ended up being better and quicker even though many said they would be horrible.
 
Grentz said:
I have a feeling Win8 is gonna be like when they switched to XP style menus...or to the Win7 toolbar.

Everyone bitches, whines, and gets upset. Then they are forced to use it for a bit and find a new workflow, and in the past cases it has ended up being better and quicker even though many said they would be horrible.
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I bet it's like windows "ME" its around for a few weeks and POOF FUCKING GONE! like the wind LOL!
 
Grentz said:
I have a feeling Win8 is gonna be like when they switched to XP style menus...or to the Win7 toolbar.

Everyone bitches, whines, and gets upset. Then they are forced to use it for a bit and find a new workflow, and in the past cases it has ended up being better and quicker even though many said they would be horrible.
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I've lost count of the amount of times that people have talked about remote access tools for touch tablets. Indeed aren't remote access apps some of the most popular ones out there?

In a lot of ways Metro makes more sense on a server than it does a desktop.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've lost count of the amount of times that people have talked about remote access tools for touch tablets. Indeed aren't remote access apps some of the most popular ones out there?

In a lot of ways Metro makes more sense on a server than it does a desktop.
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Yup, I think a lot of people would be supprised how much system admin stuff I do on a tablet now. For all the stupid random requests, or to check up on some alerts, it's quite the pain in the ass to go boot up a pc/laptop. It's much easier to just use a tablet that is already on and right next to me. Now if it's going to be more than 5-10 minutes of work a computer is better of course, but the GUI on server 8 is not that bad.

Once I get a repalcement motherboard for my new server I can finally test doing admin work on server 8 with a tablet and see if it's actually easier to use. All the servers at work are 2008 R2, which I have been running for years, so I'll be able to make a good comparison. But unlike others, I don't hate the new server 8 GUI once I've started figuring everything out.
 
Tawnos said:
Use server core and powershell?
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So lets go back to the days of having to know long commands to do something a simple click could do?

while CLI has it's place somethings are just done quicker with a few mouse clicks than lines of commands.

for me i installed it under vmware workstation 8 and it didnt have Metro enabled by default.

now i have a kindle fire, i do find myself RDC'n into the office, but it is cumbersome for some things, anything to make that better i am happy, now i wont need to lug a laptop to the beach with me.

You dont have to use metro, but windows 8 is going the route of tablets on the top layer people first see, once your into the OS you dont have to look at it anymore, so saying you wont use Server 8 seems a little... premature because you dont like 1 interface you dont have to use.

some info
http://www.tech-stew.com/post/2012/03/15/Windows-Server-8-beta-examined-first-look.aspx
 
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MrGuvernment said:
So lets go back to the days of having to know long commands to do something a simple click could do?

while CLI has it's place somethings are just done quicker with a few mouse clicks than lines of commands.
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Agreed, even though I'm just the "admin" for my family's PC network, smartphones, Wi-Fi, etc.:rolleyes:

Sorry if this is an "admin-noob" question. Are there any tools that can "script" mouseclicks? I use Retrospect backup (hey, it allows me to keep old copies of backup files ;) ) and every month, I have to update all the backup scripts to (1) create a new backup data set for that month, and (2) change out the destination data set in five differnet backup scripts.

Thanks. x509.
 
Grentz said:
I have a feeling Win8 is gonna be like when they switched to XP style menus...or to the Win7 toolbar.

Everyone bitches, whines, and gets upset. Then they are forced to use it for a bit and find a new workflow, and in the past cases it has ended up being better and quicker even though many said they would be horrible.
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Depends on the metric you use. Clicks-to-completion has increased steadily with each new version you mentioned ;)
 
So the improvents to server manager don't mean much, or were a lot of you too busy bitching about some damn start screen to even notice? Which reminds me, I have to reload this in VM and check out RDC and see what's changed.
 
Biznatch said:
Or you can learn powershell, make your own scripts and click way less.
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As a Solaris Systems Administrator, I fully support this method. It's about time Microsoft started catering to those of us who don't NEED a GUI to function!
 
Going back to CLI and Powershell is gonna make a lot of weekend admins jobless.
 
TeeJayHoward said:
As a Solaris Systems Administrator, I fully support this method. It's about time Microsoft started catering to those of us who don't NEED a GUI to function!
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heatlesssun said:
Then Powershell is for you, very powerful as the name implies.
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And has always been there anyways... but again, now i have to learn scripting language, to create my own scripts, that may have already been in a GUI... sometimes i just have better things to do with my time then re-invent the wheel, having to use PS for Exchange now and then is enough for me!

stiltner said:
Going back to CLI and Powershell is gonna make a lot of weekend admins jobless.
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Sure it will, it will certainly test Admins to see who is worth their pay check and who isnt as any decent admin should easily be able to operate CLI if needed even if a weekend crash course is needed.
 
MrGuvernment said:
And has always been there anyways... but again, now i have to learn scripting language, to create my own scripts, that may have already been in a GUI... sometimes i just have better things to do with my time then re-invent the wheel, having to use PS for Exchange now and then is enough for me!



Sure it will, it will certainly test Admins to see who is worth their pay check and who isnt as any decent admin should easily be able to operate CLI if needed even if a weekend crash course is needed.
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Except the version of powershell with server 8 is much more advanced/integrated into the OS. I also read somewhere that you can automatically generate powershell scripts. I need to read more, but it sounded like you could do the task through the GUI, and it will generate a PS script for that task. I'm not 100% sure, so please double check.

Also, GUI's are only nice for simple single items. Any time you have to do the same thing 20 times, or for 20 users etc, it becomes a much bigger pain in the ass to use the GUI.
 
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