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Honestly, even if it's just a Thuban with 2 extra cores, but overclocks effortlessly to 5.4Ghz(on air) I'll be happy if it comes out this month. However if it's delayed into Oct/Nov., even if it has i7-990x performance I'll be forced to skip it for SB-e or Ivy Bridge, it'll be to late by then for orders for my clients.
Considering that SB-e already has benchmarks out and is due between November and January, and BD has nothing out there and is due for September or October, I will have to say that it will likely be delayed till Q2 2012 and switch sockets to G34...Cuz, you know, AMD loves screwing there customers.
troll much?
Feels like it, I've just been so disenchanted with supporting AMD. Upgradability is very important for my customers but with AMD being so secretive, it's hard as hell to recommend AMD for those interested in an upgrade path. I wouldn't say Trolling, but tough love. I love my x6, with the settings it's at it performs really nice. I'd like to get an 8-Core BD for myself, but when a customer wants me to build a starter gaming machine, I'd be happy to recommend a Phenom II x4 965 ($120) due to it's overclock-ability, but with no future in sight, I have to recommend the locked tight Core i3 2100, where we know what the 2600k performs like, we have no idea what the Bulldozer performs like or even a solid release date. Heck we have confirmation that Ivy Bridge will work on existing P67/Z68 boards so my customers with a 2100 can later on upgrade to Ivy Bridge down the road, and if impatient a 2500k/2600k. Where if I built them a Phenom II 965 to only upgrade path is an x6 processor...come on seriously? I love my x6, but I know it really doesn't even come close to the 2600k or even the 2500k. I like educating my customers and while I'm a pretty big AMD fan, and I have a disgust with Intel's business practices, I have to put my bias' on the side and just look at the raw numbers and tell the truth. Truth sucks. I like AMD, I want to recommend them, but without any performance figures or a solid release date AMD is Dead in the water for this system builder.
Its almost impossible to recommend AMD to any customer for normal use, for gaming, for hardcore number crunching, or for extreme performance.
You couldn't recommend an AMD build for gaming or normal use? Why not? How does a 2500k-2600k benefit anyone doing little more than web-browsing?
You realise Intel has other chips too ?
You couldn't recommend an AMD build for gaming or normal use? Why not? How does a 2500k-2600k benefit anyone doing little more than web-browsing?
Intel beats them on the high end, on the low end intel beats them at the same price unless you oc the amd cpu (which consumes 2x+ more power)
Of course they beat them at the high end, but I just showed a similarly priced Pentium 850 being beaten by an Athlon II 645. The main advantages of the Pentium were games and power consumption; however, I don't envision either processor struggling that much with a cheap GPU. But, meh.
You can even get a cheap 955 for not much more; but that depends. LOL.
My excitement about bulldozer already turned into frustration and now it's turning into apathy. The time for them to actually release something other than smoke and mirrors is now.
I have just received from my AMD insider a tipoff of the actual dates that FX will be released! It's definitely one of these dates:
September 20, 2011; September 21, 2011; September 22, 2011; September 23, 2011; September 24, 2011; September 25, 2011; September 26, 2011; September 27, 2011; September 28, 2011; September 29, 2011; September 30, 2011; October 1, 2011; October 2, 2011; October 3, 2011; October 4, 2011; October 5, 2011; October 6, 2011; October 7, 2011; October 8, 2011; October 9, 2011; October 10, 2011; October 11, 2011; October 12, 2011; October 13, 2011; October 14, 2011; October 15, 2011; October 16, 2011; October 17, 2011; October 18, 2011; October 19, 2011; October 20, 2011; October 21, 2011; October 22, 2011; October 23, 2011; October 24, 2011; October 25, 2011; October 26, 2011; October 27, 2011; October 28, 2011; October 29, 2011; October 30, 2011; October 31, 2011; November 1, 2011; November 2, 2011; November 3, 2011; November 4, 2011; November 5, 2011; November 6, 2011; November 7, 2011; November 8, 2011; November 9, 2011; November 10, 2011; November 11, 2011; November 12, 2011; November 13, 2011; November 14, 2011; November 15, 2011; November 16, 2011; November 17, 2011; November 18, 2011; November 19, 2011; November 20, 2011; November 21, 2011; November 22, 2011; November 23, 2011; November 24, 2011; November 25, 2011; November 26, 2011; November 27, 2011; November 28, 2011; November 29, 2011; November 30, 2011; December 1, 2011; December 2, 2011; December 3, 2011; December 4, 2011; December 5, 2011; December 6, 2011; December 7, 2011; December 8, 2011; December 9, 2011; December 10, 2011; December 11, 2011; December 12, 2011; December 13, 2011; December 14, 2011; December 15, 2011; December 16, 2011; December 17, 2011; December 18, 2011; December 19, 2011; December 20, 2011; December 21, 2011; December 22, 2011; December 23, 2011; December 24, 2011; December 25, 2011; December 26, 2011; December 27, 2011; December 28, 2011; December 29, 2011; December 30, 2011; or December 31, 2011.
However, it might be out next year in which case the dates are...
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At the moment no I wouldn't recommend amd. Intel beats them on the high end, on the low end intel beats them at the same price unless you oc the amd cpu (which consumes 2x+ more power). 1155 has become very affordable now with the h61 mobos.
I hope bulldozer really does compete because if it doesn't amd doesn't have much going for it besides its graphics.
Oh man with that kinda insider information I am totally going to be sure to buy some AMD stock before September 24, 2011; September 25, 2011; September 26, 2011; September 27, 2011; September 28, 2011; September 29, 2011; September 30, 2011; October 1, 2011.
Yep, I do. The Core I3-2100 loses to a 965 in most benchmarks, though it slumps in games.
Though how anyone with a cheap, single GPU will notice is beyond me; since we are talking about consumers who are clearly low-end.
These two processors are also the same price (well, pretty much). Which is why I didn't bring up the Core-i3-2100; for a broader range of applications, I'd recommend the 965.
In regards to those cheap Pentiums you mention, the Athlon II is either a little bit cheaper or more expensive; yet still around the same price. The Athlon also dominates in most benches.
If you buy a cheap Intel board you only get 4 USB2 ports and those oh so useful serial and parallel ports...if you are lucky.
Any other workload, the i3 demolishes EVERY SINGLE CHIP AMD HAS EVER MADE.
Also, you do realize that the 965 has a double TDP compared to that of the i3? 65W vs 125W? Let's be realistic and say CPUs use 80% of that - that's still a fairly significant heat slot that needs an aftermarket cooler and a decently ventilated case; with the i3 just use the stock cooler it'll be quiet in any case.
They won't notice. In fact, if they do, they'll probably say the i3 is faster. They might notice a higher power bill and more noise with an AMD system.
I never would. Slower for about every office and home workload - spreadsheets, web browsing, video playback, business presentations, accounting, etc.
More power usage. Raw performance isn't anything, performance/watt is a BIG ISSUE, maybe not for the average computer user, but more heat = noisier with same cooling solution.
You couldn't recommend an AMD build for gaming or normal use? Why not? How does a 2500k-2600k benefit anyone doing little more than web-browsing?
Sandy Bridge CPU's are alot better for web browsing and even the most mundane tasks then AMD's bulldozer, afterall there actually availible to be purchased.....
I'm completely lost now.Also, correction on one of the above posts, I misread something Iconik wrote.