Notice the ETA date:
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Pieter3dnow
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Nice find 
Nice find
To be fair, it was posted at another forum. I cant take credit for it.
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I really hope AMD releases Bulldozer this month because it is way overdue and we're all sick of these bullshit delays
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Keep in mind that ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival. Emphasis on "Estimated".
Nice find. That may or may not be the hard launch date since they could be giving a date that could be after launch. It could also be a date before official launch, and the retailers are getting stock in before AMD officially lifts NDA and launches.
Either way, it is nice to see we atleast have some confirmation that they are shipping and an approximate time frame for sale. Lets hope the merchant isn't completely bullshitting on this one.
Nice find. That may or may not be the hard launch date since they could be giving a date that could be after launch. It could also be a date before official launch, and the retailers are getting stock in before AMD officially lifts NDA and launches.
Either way, it is nice to see we atleast have some confirmation that they are shipping and an approximate time frame for sale. Lets hope the merchant isn't completely bullshitting on this one.
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Well if he is he will have 90 something unhappy customers
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hope it is released and has good performance
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Well if he is he will have 90 something unhappy customers
Let's hope this estimate holds true...
Honestly, even if it's just a Thuban with 2 extra cores, but overclocks effortlessly to 5.4Ghz(on air) I'll be happy if it comes out this month. However if it's delayed into Oct/Nov., even if it has i7-990x performance I'll be forced to skip it for SB-e or Ivy Bridge, it'll be to late by then for orders for my clients.
Considering that SB-e already has benchmarks out and is due between November and January, and BD has nothing out there and is due for September or October, I will have to say that it will likely be delayed till Q2 2012 and switch sockets to G34...Cuz, you know, AMD loves screwing there customers.
Considering that SB-e already has benchmarks out and is due between November and January, and BD has nothing out there and is due for September or October, I will have to say that it will likely be delayed till Q2 2012 and switch sockets to G34...Cuz, you know, AMD loves screwing there customers.
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If this comes out on the 22nd I will buy it because my birthday is on the 23rd. My fiancee surely couldn't be mad at me then!
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troll much?
Feels like it, I've just been so disenchanted with supporting AMD. Upgradability is very important for my customers but with AMD being so secretive, it's hard as hell to recommend AMD for those interested in an upgrade path. I wouldn't say Trolling, but tough love. I love my x6, with the settings it's at it performs really nice. I'd like to get an 8-Core BD for myself, but when a customer wants me to build a starter gaming machine, I'd be happy to recommend a Phenom II x4 965 ($120) due to it's overclock-ability, but with no future in sight, I have to recommend the locked tight Core i3 2100, where we know what the 2600k performs like, we have no idea what the Bulldozer performs like or even a solid release date. Heck we have confirmation that Ivy Bridge will work on existing P67/Z68 boards so my customers with a 2100 can later on upgrade to Ivy Bridge down the road, and if impatient a 2500k/2600k. Where if I built them a Phenom II 965 to only upgrade path is an x6 processor...come on seriously? I love my x6, but I know it really doesn't even come close to the 2600k or even the 2500k. I like educating my customers and while I'm a pretty big AMD fan, and I have a disgust with Intel's business practices, I have to put my bias' on the side and just look at the raw numbers and tell the truth. Truth sucks. I like AMD, I want to recommend them, but without any performance figures or a solid release date AMD is Dead in the water for this system builder.
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^ +1. As a builder and repairman of desktop PCs, I can only agree with this.
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What you are not telling them to start up buying large tanks of helium and enough chips to have some fun ?
It can go pretty high I heard? Big numbers
.They might have some youtube videos posted , your customers can see what they are doing with it ?
Even if you had all the benchmarks and a release date you would find something to bitch about like the colour or shape of the cardboard box and it being irresponsible for your customers to buy such an odd shaped box with weird colours.
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In the end, Its almost impossible to recommend AMD to any customer for normal use, for gaming, for hardcore number crunching, or for extreme performance. That leaves HTPCs and file servers :/ .
As a system builder AND long-time AMD fan, I recommend an Intel system to 95% customers.
What Rauel is saying is that FX needs to fill in a lot of holes AMD has in it's current market positions, and the current silence is not helping convince today's system builders that those holes will be filled.
As a system builder AND long-time AMD fan, I recommend an Intel system to 95% customers.
What Rauel is saying is that FX needs to fill in a lot of holes AMD has in it's current market positions, and the current silence is not helping convince today's system builders that those holes will be filled.
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You realise Intel has other chips too ?
For now SB pentiums have similar price and performance to low end Athlons II while taking much less juice so he can build quieter computer for his customers then at higher end comes i3 2100 which already outperforms Phenoms II and at the same time those CPUs offer clear and defined upgrade path. Above i3 2100 AMD doesn't even exist anymore.
Yep, I do. The Core I3-2100 loses to a 965 in most benchmarks, though it slumps in games. Though how anyone with a cheap, single GPU will notice is beyond me; since we are talking about consumers who are clearly low-end. These two processors are also the same price (well, pretty much). Which is why I didn't bring up the Core-i3-2100; for a broader range of applications, I'd recommend the 965.
The 2400-2600k (even the 2300 I reckon) line obviously offer superior performance depending on the product.
In regards to those cheap Pentiums you mention, the Athlon II is either a little bit cheaper or more expensive; yet still around the same price. The Athlon also dominates in most benches.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/188?vs=404
I assume you're referencing to the new Pentiums, right?
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At the moment no I wouldn't recommend amd. Intel beats them on the high end, on the low end intel beats them at the same price unless you oc the amd cpu (which consumes 2x+ more power). 1155 has become very affordable now with the h61 mobos.
I hope bulldozer really does compete because if it doesn't amd doesn't have much going for it besides its graphics.
Of course they beat them at the high end, but I just showed a similarly priced Pentium 850 being beaten by an Athlon II 645. The main advantages of the Pentium were games and power consumption; however, I don't envision either processor struggling that much with a cheap GPU. But, meh.
You can even get a cheap 955 for not much more; but that depends. LOL.
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They won't notice diffrences in other tasks too not only games. So the chip with good upgrade path and lower power consumption would still be better.
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My excitement about bulldozer already turned into frustration and now it's turning into apathy. The time for them to actually release something other than smoke and mirrors is now.
Im sort of with you. I am curious to see if they release something that's really kickass, but my goodwill towards AMD has been eroded over the last few months.
I have just received from my AMD insider a tipoff of the actual dates that FX will be released! It's definitely one of these dates:
September 20, 2011; September 21, 2011; September 22, 2011; September 23, 2011; September 24, 2011; September 25, 2011; September 26, 2011; September 27, 2011; September 28, 2011; September 29, 2011; September 30, 2011; October 1, 2011; October 2, 2011; October 3, 2011; October 4, 2011; October 5, 2011; October 6, 2011; October 7, 2011; October 8, 2011; October 9, 2011; October 10, 2011; October 11, 2011; October 12, 2011; October 13, 2011; October 14, 2011; October 15, 2011; October 16, 2011; October 17, 2011; October 18, 2011; October 19, 2011; October 20, 2011; October 21, 2011; October 22, 2011; October 23, 2011; October 24, 2011; October 25, 2011; October 26, 2011; October 27, 2011; October 28, 2011; October 29, 2011; October 30, 2011; October 31, 2011; November 1, 2011; November 2, 2011; November 3, 2011; November 4, 2011; November 5, 2011; November 6, 2011; November 7, 2011; November 8, 2011; November 9, 2011; November 10, 2011; November 11, 2011; November 12, 2011; November 13, 2011; November 14, 2011; November 15, 2011; November 16, 2011; November 17, 2011; November 18, 2011; November 19, 2011; November 20, 2011; November 21, 2011; November 22, 2011; November 23, 2011; November 24, 2011; November 25, 2011; November 26, 2011; November 27, 2011; November 28, 2011; November 29, 2011; November 30, 2011; December 1, 2011; December 2, 2011; December 3, 2011; December 4, 2011; December 5, 2011; December 6, 2011; December 7, 2011; December 8, 2011; December 9, 2011; December 10, 2011; December 11, 2011; December 12, 2011; December 13, 2011; December 14, 2011; December 15, 2011; December 16, 2011; December 17, 2011; December 18, 2011; December 19, 2011; December 20, 2011; December 21, 2011; December 22, 2011; December 23, 2011; December 24, 2011; December 25, 2011; December 26, 2011; December 27, 2011; December 28, 2011; December 29, 2011; December 30, 2011; or December 31, 2011.
However, it might be out next year in which case the dates are...
September 20, 2011; September 21, 2011; September 22, 2011; September 23, 2011; September 24, 2011; September 25, 2011; September 26, 2011; September 27, 2011; September 28, 2011; September 29, 2011; September 30, 2011; October 1, 2011; October 2, 2011; October 3, 2011; October 4, 2011; October 5, 2011; October 6, 2011; October 7, 2011; October 8, 2011; October 9, 2011; October 10, 2011; October 11, 2011; October 12, 2011; October 13, 2011; October 14, 2011; October 15, 2011; October 16, 2011; October 17, 2011; October 18, 2011; October 19, 2011; October 20, 2011; October 21, 2011; October 22, 2011; October 23, 2011; October 24, 2011; October 25, 2011; October 26, 2011; October 27, 2011; October 28, 2011; October 29, 2011; October 30, 2011; October 31, 2011; November 1, 2011; November 2, 2011; November 3, 2011; November 4, 2011; November 5, 2011; November 6, 2011; November 7, 2011; November 8, 2011; November 9, 2011; November 10, 2011; November 11, 2011; November 12, 2011; November 13, 2011; November 14, 2011; November 15, 2011; November 16, 2011; November 17, 2011; November 18, 2011; November 19, 2011; November 20, 2011; November 21, 2011; November 22, 2011; November 23, 2011; November 24, 2011; November 25, 2011; November 26, 2011; November 27, 2011; November 28, 2011; November 29, 2011; November 30, 2011; December 1, 2011; December 2, 2011; December 3, 2011; December 4, 2011; December 5, 2011; December 6, 2011; December 7, 2011; December 8, 2011; December 9, 2011; December 10, 2011; December 11, 2011; December 12, 2011; December 13, 2011; December 14, 2011; December 15, 2011; December 16, 2011; December 17, 2011; December 18, 2011; December 19, 2011; December 20, 2011; December 21, 2011; December 22, 2011; December 23, 2011; December 24, 2011; December 25, 2011; December 26, 2011; December 27, 2011; December 28, 2011; December 29, 2011; December 30, 2011; or December 31, 2011.
However, it might be out next year in which case the dates are...
Whether BD is a raging success or not isnt really a worry for me.
However, in one aspect I would dearly love it to totally crucify Intel, if nothing more than to hear the sound of rattling case screws as thousands of Intel chips and motherboards are dumped on Ebay almost overnight and the picture on the wall of "El Presidente Intel" is turned over to reveal "Comrade AMD" once again.
You know what I mean here.
However, in one aspect I would dearly love it to totally crucify Intel, if nothing more than to hear the sound of rattling case screws as thousands of Intel chips and motherboards are dumped on Ebay almost overnight and the picture on the wall of "El Presidente Intel" is turned over to reveal "Comrade AMD" once again.
You know what I mean here.
I have just received from my AMD insider a tipoff of the actual dates that FX will be released! It's definitely one of these dates:
September 20, 2011; September 21, 2011; September 22, 2011; September 23, 2011; September 24, 2011; September 25, 2011; September 26, 2011; September 27, 2011; September 28, 2011; September 29, 2011; September 30, 2011; October 1, 2011; October 2, 2011; October 3, 2011; October 4, 2011; October 5, 2011; October 6, 2011; October 7, 2011; October 8, 2011; October 9, 2011; October 10, 2011; October 11, 2011; October 12, 2011; October 13, 2011; October 14, 2011; October 15, 2011; October 16, 2011; October 17, 2011; October 18, 2011; October 19, 2011; October 20, 2011; October 21, 2011; October 22, 2011; October 23, 2011; October 24, 2011; October 25, 2011; October 26, 2011; October 27, 2011; October 28, 2011; October 29, 2011; October 30, 2011; October 31, 2011; November 1, 2011; November 2, 2011; November 3, 2011; November 4, 2011; November 5, 2011; November 6, 2011; November 7, 2011; November 8, 2011; November 9, 2011; November 10, 2011; November 11, 2011; November 12, 2011; November 13, 2011; November 14, 2011; November 15, 2011; November 16, 2011; November 17, 2011; November 18, 2011; November 19, 2011; November 20, 2011; November 21, 2011; November 22, 2011; November 23, 2011; November 24, 2011; November 25, 2011; November 26, 2011; November 27, 2011; November 28, 2011; November 29, 2011; November 30, 2011; December 1, 2011; December 2, 2011; December 3, 2011; December 4, 2011; December 5, 2011; December 6, 2011; December 7, 2011; December 8, 2011; December 9, 2011; December 10, 2011; December 11, 2011; December 12, 2011; December 13, 2011; December 14, 2011; December 15, 2011; December 16, 2011; December 17, 2011; December 18, 2011; December 19, 2011; December 20, 2011; December 21, 2011; December 22, 2011; December 23, 2011; December 24, 2011; December 25, 2011; December 26, 2011; December 27, 2011; December 28, 2011; December 29, 2011; December 30, 2011; or December 31, 2011.
However, it might be out next year in which case the dates are...
Oh man with that kinda insider information I am totally going to be sure to buy some AMD stock before September 24, 2011; September 25, 2011; September 26, 2011; September 27, 2011; September 28, 2011; September 29, 2011; September 30, 2011; October 1, 2011.
I would recommend AMD for low-end use simply because the motherboards for AMD are better value. Buy a cheap m-ATX 880 AMD board and it wll have HDMI/DVI/USB3and maybe even e-SATA.
If you buy a cheap Intel board you only get 4 USB2 ports and those oh so useful serial and parallel ports...if you are lucky.
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So, we are now saying September 22nd based on the "In Stock on September 22nd" -- based on estimated shipping dates of a backwoods, minimum wage clerk at a little known retailer?
Nice.
Next we'll be reading tea leaves then the finger painting of feces from Marquis de Sade at some ancient European assylum.
Crazy shit here.
Nice.
Next we'll be reading tea leaves then the finger painting of feces from Marquis de Sade at some ancient European assylum.
Crazy shit here.
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I thought we shipped all of them to America
It loses in benchmarks that heavily load the processor, like video transcoding. Any other workload, the i3 demolishes EVERY SINGLE CHIP AMD HAS EVER MADE.
Also, you do realize that the 965 has a double TDP compared to that of the i3? 65W vs 125W? Let's be realistic and say CPUs use 80% of that - that's still a fairly significant heat slot that needs an aftermarket cooler and a decently ventilated case; with the i3 just use the stock cooler it'll be quiet in any case.
They won't notice. In fact, if they do, they'll probably say the i3 is faster. They might notice a higher power bill and more noise with an AMD system.
I never would. Slower for about every office and home workload - spreadsheets, web browsing, video playback, business presentations, accounting, etc.
More power usage. Raw performance isn't anything, performance/watt is a BIG ISSUE, maybe not for the average computer user, but more heat = noisier with same cooling solution.
Some of us lab folk have a serious need for native rs232 connections, not some usb to rs232 adaptor cable. Don't knock the serial port.
Say what?
Are you seriously saying that a dual core Core i3-2100 is going to demolish a 6 core 1090t in every work load/application out there? Edit: Whoops. I misread what you wrote, the Core i3-2100 will likely on give the Phenoms are run for their money in single threaded apps.
It can't even beat a 955 in most applications; asides from games and system mark. Intel always had lower wattage.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=289
I've never heard of anyone having heat problems with AMD cpu at stock settings; in fact, I'd wager the GPU is likely to factor more so in heat dissipation. I'm more than certain that the average case can hold a Phenom processor without much issue.
AMD does demand more power, but the processors are about equivalent in heat dissipation.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Phenom_II_X6_1090T/12.html
Since, for some reason I can't link to their site here, Hardware Canucks also show some interesting temps for the Core i3-2120 and Core i5-2400 in comparison to a Phenom II 1090t and Phenom 975.
Go look up the respective reviews for each on that site, and make sure to select the temperature section in each review.
Well, that anandtech link I just provided showed otherwise. The 955 was putting a thrashing on the 2100 in video production. And I'm not too familiar with benches on web browsing.
Only thing I saw was the watts; I've found nothing to validate the "higher" temps being an issue with AMD claim.
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Sandy Bridge CPU's are alot better for web browsing and even the most mundane tasks then AMD's bulldozer, afterall there actually availible to be purchased.....
I am starting to feel like Bulldozer is the new DNF..... and I am more then a little concerned the outcome could be the same....
I'm completely lost now.
Also, correction on one of the above posts, I misread something Iconik wrote.
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I'm completely lost now.
Oh man, don't take it too seriously I was making a fail attempt at humor.