Samsung S27B970

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  1. Pultzar

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    Looks like a real case for the lovely PLS displays. Hopefully they get the QC right with this unit.

    Unfortunately it doesn't look like this monitor supports portrait orientation or a VESA mount for attaching an arm to it. Having the connections in the integrated base is a deal breaker.

    Sigh.

    http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1325717605
     
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    1200$ ? I just want the 850D that don't have blb, they ruined the stand for the monitor and made it 350$ more... kinda lame.
     
  4. Pultzar

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    I'll take one that doesn't have dust in the panel. In fact, I'll take two!
     
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    That looks pretty sexy if you like the Apple Cinema display aesthetic like I do. The stand is 'interesting', but only an issue if you like to mount your display. Hoping they get the build quality on this one right, especially for the price!

    Oh, and 120hz + PLS + 2560 x 1440 would be incredible... hopefully that will happen someday.
     
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    A professional monitor with glossy seems senseless to me. The reason for the increase in price is that it now supports hardware calibration, which should be a good thing, but I don't know what the Samsung Natural Color Expert system is like.

    If it includes the hardware required that would be a fairly good deal.

    Thanks for the info Pultzar.
     
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    Looks absolutely great!!!!!
     
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    I know right?

    A high res 32" 16:9 PLS display is the next step, imagine the pricing.
     
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  11. Ashok0

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    It was on that page under the press release, which for some odd reason is no longer displaying on that link. You can also read the full PR at Samsung, and the S27B970 is confirmed to be anti-glare. I'm guessing it has a "haze" treatment similar to the SA850? Hopefully Samsung fixed the white glow issues the SA850 had. If so, this should be a really nice alternative to people who don't like the reflective ACD27" or the "sparkle" effect that the U2711 has.
    http://www.samsung.com/us/news/news...tnews=consumerproduct=monitors&news_seq=20045
     
  12. Peat Moss

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    I see it now. Thanks for the link!

    If by anti-glare Samsung means the same semi-gloss coating as the SA850 series, and provided they have reduced or fixed the backlight bleeding issues, this should be a winner. Personally I really like the style. I notice it also has built-in speakers.
     
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    I see what you did there.

    Let them get their quality control in good stead on the current size/PPI screens first. Though weirdly enough they seem to have far more difficulty with the low PPI 24" panels than the 27".

    Pros don't live in hobbit houses, they work in properly lit environments so glossy would mean no professional sales for Sammy, and I'd assume this is the target market. Anyway you are well-versed on the S27A850 by now I'd assume and if you have a problem with the coating, then you have, well, a problem ;)

    And I'd dare to assume it should be the same.

    Without A-TW polarizer or equivalent don't count on the white glow on blacks disappearing.

    As long as the monitor is not as flimsy and poorly manufactured as the SA850 line, it should be fine in terms of back-light bleed.

    The low grain coating on the Samsung PLS panels is very clear and better balanced than both glossy and LG's AG coating IMHO.

    From reading this, it should be extended gamut capable due to the 8-bit +FRC/10-bit panel, which likely means CCFL back-lighting. Hopefully gamut emulation is included in Samsung Natural Color Expert, because a calibrated profile is not enough. But at least it has hardware calibration capability which to me is worth its weight in gold.


    Thanks for the link. I was going by the photo which showed what looked like glass edge-to-edge.
     
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    I wish so much that Samsung would make a white alternative but probably won't going to happend :(
     
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    Very nice, but I thought $1199 was the retail price? Unless Newegg is just faking a higher retail, so they can sell it for more...

    I do hope they release a baby brother, 24"er. I'd think if they want PLS to succeed, they will release it in different sizes. Although it may seem odd if they keep their 850s too. Does Samsung usually keep older models in their lineup when updates come out? It may confuse customers and eat into their own profits if they sell a 27" PLS in both the 850 and 950 series at the same time.
     
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    The 850 model has an amazing AG coating, a VESA mount, and portrait rotation. The 970 appears to be designed to look pretty on somebodies desk. They should hopefully have both in their lineup, but the latest 850 is nowhere to be seen.
     
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    The 850 series is also plagued by terrible backlight bleed. The T model and the 27"er perhaps less so, but it's still an issue. The VESA mount and rotation is a big deal though, so yeah, so they could keep both in their lineup. I'm curious what Samsung typically does in those sorts of updates, if they keep both or not.

    I do wonder how the coating (or I should say glass) compares to the 850. I have been assuming it's antiglare glass, sort of like how CRTs used to do it... or at least somewhat antiglare. Perhaps it's simply semiglossy coating under standard glass.
     
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    It's the same as the ACD, linus has a video on youtube where you can see how reflective it is.

    Honestly if a vesa mount is a deal breaker then the image quality+features this display offers are not important enough to warrant a purchase. As for portrait mode, I doubt its exclusion was an oversite or cost cutting scheme.

    If Samsung was really smart they would offer and semi-glossy model.
     
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    Also frustrating that the 850T model is nowhere to be seen for purchase, at least nowhere in the US that I've been able to locate.
     
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    This monitor looks absolutely fantastic!!!!
     
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    Does it really matter whether or not the factory calibration is good? You're going to want to abuse the hardware calibration feature on this monitor anyway, right? Or am I missing something here?
     
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    The exterior design is quite nice.
     
  26. Murzilka

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    I bought this monitor today. The image quality is superb, gaming feels more responsive and has less smearig than my zr2740w. Battlefiled 3 after hardware calibration absolutely rocks. The hardware calibration is a marvel by itself. The average contrast is 460:1. The colors do pop a lot nevertheless - everything is fine in terms of color and details reproduction.
    There is one problem though - it seems to be, that there is some kind of dirty tint of the left part of the screen... It is very apparetn on a light grey color. On left left it looks much darker than on the right side, where it seems brighter. And this bothers me quite a bit.
    The monitor is very reflective, mirror like. Significally more reflective than my glossy zr2740w with photodon mxa film.
    If not for tint - I would say that this monitor is perfect.

    This is what you get once it is hardware calibrated:
    http://www.2shared.com/document/_L0-QJq6/samshardcal.html

    BTW The tint is called gamma shift. The difference in gamma in 75% gray color is 0.08 from side to side. Other grays are less than that but still don't go lower than 0.06. If you open two Blue Eye Pro windows - one on the left and another one on the right side of the display - you will see that those two same windows have different color on this moitor.....The homogenity calibration doesn't help.
     
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    Is Newegg dead pixel policy still the same where I believe it was somethign like minimum 3-5 dead pixels to return monitors.? If I bought a $1200 monitor, it better not have one single dead/stuck pixel. Anyone knows?
     
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    Murzilka thanks for the first results man first of all , can i ask a few questions , first of all has does the response feel , and second how are the dark's when set , and last it will blurr a bit i know but is it bad
    thanks
     
  29. Murzilka

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    No problem. The response is good enough. It's on pair with the ZR2740W, or maybe even better. The black level is very good after hardware calibration. All squares at lagom test are clearly visible... With stock or prdefined settings the first line of black squares was barely visible. The details in shadows are drawn very good - playing bf3 feels easier in comparison to zr2740w, due to less blur in motion and probably slightly better response time( or maybe not, but the difference is minimal) and due to more details drawn on the screen.
    I did some more calibration and it looks like the contrast of 680:1 is achievable.
     
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    Dear Murzilka

    it seems to me that hardware calibration does not bring 100% output of grayscale values, which is quite strange.
     
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    Dear Murzilka

    I am wondering could you share us the calibrated profiles for evaluation ?

    Furthermore, have you tried the programmable uniformity function from minimum 3 X 5 to maximum 7 X 7 ?

    Regards

    Gatehouse
     
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    Yes, I tried the uniformity function but only 5x5, not the 7x7, in hope that it will correct the tint, but unfortunately it did nothing to it.
    Here is my current profile, I think it is good:
    http://www.2shared.com/file/3Jzax4Gf/newhomo.html
    The profile is stored in the monitor hardware, so windows still uses the stansart sRGB profile, but I found the profile file that corresponds to the name of the hardware generated profile, and that is the one I uploaded.
     
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    I highly recommend you to look into the default folders for hardware calibration. Also when the calibration was done, did you get any notice about renaming the preference of the Icc profile?
     
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    There are two major uniformity options in NCE software (Exclusively for S27B970D). The first one is the brightness adjustment. and the second is the enhanced adjustment of brightness and color temperature, which has been the standard feature across many professional monitors.
     
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    Here is the instruction in reference to S27B970D manual. (page 23 out of 67)

    Select Only Brightness to perform calibration only for the brightness. Select
    Brightness + Color to perform calibration for both the brightness and colors. If
    you select Brightness + Color, the color temperature uniformity will also increase
    from calibration.
     
  36. Murzilka

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    Yes, I've chosen the Brightness + Color, but the tint remained. The problem is that the program coorrects (if it really does correct anything) luminance and color temperature. But the "tint" is rather attributed to the Gamma level which differs from side to side. It really looks like a TN gamma shift. When you look at a light or middle grey solid pattern the left of the screen has reddish tint to it, and the the right side is noticably brighter...
    Color temp wise there is about 60K difference and 0.08 in gamma. Like 2.2 gamma vs 2.28 gamma difference, for example.
    The red tint is most obvious at the left lower corner of the screen, and spreads to all the left part of the display becoming lighter as reaches the center of the screen. The right side is free from any tint.

    EDIT: Actually, the difference in color temperature from side to side is about 150K and not 60K...
     
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    1. Currently there is no actual hardware calibration support of S27B970 included in numerous 3rd party CMS packages like Basiccolor as well as iColor Display.

    2. Borrow two different calibrator devices(Colorimeter vs Spectrometer) and make various tests between these two devices.

    3. or make your refund.
     
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  38. Murzilka

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    Are you a Samsung rep?
    The "thing" is that the tint is present at the factory predefined settings too - it is not my lowly calibration approach ;)
    I would get the refund next week of course, only if Samsung (Gallery Samsung, Moscow - the place where I bought it) didn't tell me I need to send the monitor to "experteese", that would prove that the monitor IS really defective, and only then they would replace it. Or refund it. That process may take up to 21 days:).
     
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    I currently own NEC PA241W and EIZO CG245. I am not employed by Samsung Corp.

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    Have you tried i1 Pro ?
     
  40. Murzilka

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    Ok, I see.
    No, I haven't. I am using the eye one display2 calibrator.