Samsung Galaxy S5 Watch Thread

jwcalla said:
I'm sure in practice that adds up to about nothing.
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If you don't know what people are talking about, I suggest go google and learn some before making the next post.

key word "Reference count in objective C, ARC, release, retain, strong, weak".
 
Lol at anybody who thinks there'll be a 14nm Exynos in Q1 of 2014... Have you all forgotten that N20 hasn't even taken off yet for logic? Samsung's roadmap during their analysts day at the beginning of November even said N14 wouldn't start till at least the end of 2014.

N14 and N10 tooling evaluations are going on now across the industry.
 
shansoft said:
If you don't know what people are talking about, I suggest go google and learn some before making the next post.

key word "Reference count in objective C, ARC, release, retain, strong, weak".
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This is all very true, but thanks to Apple and their success with 64 bit on the A7 we should see a serious push on all other platforms.
 
SM-G900S shows up in benchmark with 2k display, could be Galaxy S5
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/12/04...display-could-be-galaxy-s5-or-galaxy-round-2/

Galaxy S5 to hit mass production in January
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/11/27...ction-in-january-and-to-come-in-two-versions/

The display resolution is listed as 2560×1440 – it’s a resolution the Galaxy S5′s display is all but confirmed to have, and it’s pretty much a given that Samsung wouldn’t want to debut its highest resolution display on anything but its next flagship phone. Another spec that hints at the SM-G900S being the Galaxy S5 is the Snapdragon 800 processor clocked at ~2.5GHz – the current cream of the crop Snapdragon 800 chips are all clocked at 2.3GHz, so the one listed in the benchmark is an upgraded one (likely the 8974AB or 8974AC variant) that will offer even faster and more efficient performance. The SM-G900S is running on Android 4.4 KitKat
 
Zorachus said:
Another spec that hints at the SM-G900S being the Galaxy S5 is the Snapdragon 800 processor clocked at ~2.5GHz – the current cream of the crop Snapdragon 800 chips are all clocked at 2.3GHz, so the one listed in the benchmark is an upgraded one (likely the 8974AB or 8974AC variant) that will offer even faster and more efficient performance.
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Sounds like the Snapdragon 805 to me. If that's the case, it won't be 64-bit.
 
FaRKle0079 said:
Sounds like the Snapdragon 805 to me. If that's the case, it won't be 64-bit.
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I'm skeptical since benchmarks can be easily faked, but if so, that'd be a pretty conservative move. There's a real chance that it won't be significantly faster than an iPhone 5s (given that an A7 typically outruns a Snapdragon 800). I wouldn't be surprised if this is wrong and there's a 64-bit CPU somewhere in the mix, though.
 
shansoft said:
If you don't know what people are talking about, I suggest go google and learn some before making the next post.

key word "Reference count in objective C, ARC, release, retain, strong, weak".
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I've been writing software for almost 25 years now... I know bee ess when I see it. I'm just not nibbling on yours.
 
Apple's developer docs say 64bit can increase performance due to larger data size and new instructions, but also warn about increased memory consumption. There are no quantifiable metrics on what effects any optimizations they made have. There is really no way short of comparing a 32 bit vs 64 bit build of iOS and running benchmarks, and that can only be done inside Apple.

I'm going to be cautiously optimistic, there is probably some benefit, its not going to set the world on fire though :)
 
Being a software engineer myself, I think that the current i-products with A7 processors don't have enough memory for many (if any) third party apps to benefit from 64bit processing.

But, if Apple gets developers to start on 64bit optimized programming, then their future i-products with more memory would surely gain.

Not to mention, that 64bit arm chips with more than 4 GB of RAM will be a huge competitor to Intel. Apple can go solo again if they chooses. Obviously it'll be wise for every ARM manufacturers such as Samsung and Qualcomm to produce 64bit chips as well.
 
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jwcalla said:
I've been writing software for almost 25 years now... I know bee ess when I see it. I'm just not nibbling on yours.
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It doesn't matter if you write software for years or not, its the matter of you understand it or not.
(There are tons of so call "iOS programmers" out there that doesn't know what life cycle is)

As I stated above, go google it and learn how Obj-C works.
 
CHANG3D said:
Being a software engineer myself, I think that the current i-products with A7 processors don't have enough memory for many (if any) third party apps to benefit from 64bit processing.

But, if Apple gets developers to start on 64bit optimized programming, then their future i-products with more memory would surely gain.

Not to mention, that 64bit arm chips with more than 4 GB of RAM will be a huge competitor to Intel. Apple can go solo again if they chooses. Obviously it'll be wise for every ARM manufacturers such as Samsung and Qualcomm to produce 64bit chips as well.
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There are two things going on.

64-bit addressing is primarily there for futureproofing. By the time you absolutely need 64-bit code, Apple will have a relatively stable, advanced OS and apps.

What's more important right now is the ARMv8 architecture that comes with the A7 -- this is the first production chip to use the platform, and it's likely providing more immediate benefits. It's somewhat telling that a dual-core 1.3GHz A7 is (generally) outrunning 2.3GHz quad-core rivals using ARMv7, even when you discount the improved graphics.
 
Aurelius said:
There are two things going on.

64-bit addressing is primarily there for futureproofing. By the time you absolutely need 64-bit code, Apple will have a relatively stable, advanced OS and apps.

What's more important right now is the ARMv8 architecture that comes with the A7 -- this is the first production chip to use the platform, and it's likely providing more immediate benefits. It's somewhat telling that a dual-core 1.3GHz A7 is (generally) outrunning 2.3GHz quad-core rivals using ARMv7, even when you discount the improved graphics.
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I don't know how much that is with the v8 architecture vs v7, because it could be the operating system and native apps code in general, because Apple has more than held their own in most benchmarks vs high-end Androids for years. Now, the question is WP with the same hardware as high-end androids. At least on Sunspider, WP dominates. (See benchmarks of Lumia 1520.)
 
SunSpider is a browser benchmark though.

Most mobile benchmarks out there are idiotic. You can't really determine a lot about the hardware because the software stack and compiler toolchains are so tremendously different. You could have identical hardware with software compiled by two different versions of the same compiler and easily see a 5-10% difference or more.

They are useful for measuring the overall product experience though.

shansoft said:
It doesn't matter if you write software for years or not, its the matter of you understand it or not.
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That's why I asked you to explain it to me, so I can understand it from the argument you made. Explain to me why Google will need to completely rewrite the kernel to see any kind of performance improvement on Android from a 64-bit processor.
 
txsizzler said:
Let the rumor mill begin!

I have a hard time swallowing the "Non-removable batteries". It has always been a staple for the S-series phones, along with memory card support. Although I heard a while back that Samsung was going to take a new direction starting with the S5 series phones, and go in a much more unconventional route.
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I have to completely remove the battery in my Galaxy S2 when the GPS goes into "can't find a satellite signal at all mode" in order to fix that particular bug. Simply rebooting or powering down the phone won't do the trick. Just something to mention about non-removable batteries and bugs.
 
Well I still have a whole year left until I can upgrade again, but I'll still be watching this closely. I know many hate non removable batteries, but I guess I kind of like some form over function and prefer a phone that feels and looks good to one that has a removable battery. I didn't actually mind the GS3 though, it felt fine, but it was kinda laggy at times which put me off.
 
My contract with Verizon will be up around march/april - just in time to be in the market for the next flagship without worrying about availability.

If they start cranking out S5's in Jan - by march or April I should be able to get one without getting raped in the wallet. Right now I'm still rocking my Galaxy Nexus, good phone to boot! (custom rom and everything)

With the power of phones going ever higher - what I'd really want to see is some setup where my phone quite literally is my computer, they can push the resolution needed they have the capasity for most things, the speed of course.

Have some super easy new wireless standard for TVs/monitors that allows me to pair my phone to a display device, use the stylus as a mouse, and the phone as a keyboard.

I know I'm in fantasy land, but it would be great to sit down at any display and have "MY" stuff all ready to go and how I like it. When I'm done simply put the thing in my pocket and go on my way.
 
Perhaps the Samsung Galaxy J will give us clues on how Samsung will use metal in their phones:

Announcing the Samsung Galaxy J, Samsung's first metal-clad smartphone. Only available in Taiwan and Japan, the Galaxy J is selling like hotcakes right now in these two countries:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_j_goes_official_in_taiwan-news-7329.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cuEDOkn-Yr4

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Looks very classy and attractive IMO.
 
Arizonian7 said:
Perhaps the Samsung Galaxy J will give us clues on how Samsung will use metal in their phones:

Announcing the Samsung Galaxy J, Samsung's first metal-clad smartphone. Only available in Taiwan and Japan, the Galaxy J is selling like hotcakes right now in these two countries:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_j_goes_official_in_taiwan-news-7329.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cuEDOkn-Yr4

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Looks very classy and attractive IMO.
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Looks pretty nice.
 
How long before Apple sues Samsung for using metal in an phone body and tries to win with a totally biased US court system + juries again?
 
MrCrispy said:
How long before Apple sues Samsung for using metal in an phone body and tries to win with a totally biased US court system + juries again?
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Before Apple sues them, ASUS should sue Samsung first.
 
The PPI on screens is seriously getting insane. I'd rather they stick to 1080p, though; I don't want my rips upscaled.
 
CHANG3D said:
Not before this guy does!
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Funny how that never made front page news, but an iPhone "blowing up" with a chinese shit charger did. Dat der bias on the news section here is win.


I do like the look of the Galaxy J though, very stylish.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Funny how that never made front page news, but an iPhone "blowing up" with a chinese shit charger did. Dat der bias on the news section here is win.


I do like the look of the Galaxy J though, very stylish.
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Samsung pays a lot of media to get rid of all negative post from the news section apparently, but I doubt [H] will ever fall like this.

For the look on Galaxy J, it looks very similar to this.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7338/hands-on-with-the-asus-padfone-infinity

The whole body is metal.
 
Megalith said:
The PPI on screens is seriously getting insane. I'd rather they stick to 1080p, though; I don't want my rips upscaled.
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Same here, it's the reason I wanted 1080p on phones in the first place! Everything I have is in 1080!
 
Trimlock said:
Remember Samsung hired a designer for this phone. I was thinking the same thing, like the look but thought it looked like the padphone.
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I really hope Samsung goes for a full-body brush aluminum metal on the back rather than the partial aluminum tone on the Asus padphone.

The Galaxy J also has a removable battery even though it's got an aluminum back cover.

Perhaps Samsung is going to implement that design language on the Galaxy S5?
 
xIronCrossx said:
Funny how that never made front page news, but an iPhone "blowing up" with a chinese shit charger did. Dat der bias on the news section here is win.


I do like the look of the Galaxy J though, very stylish.
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Phones burn up all the time, you get a bad contact and resistance you get a fire. Obviously that would have been great click bait for Steve but its the ones that damage people or really blow up that get more attention.

Both companies coerce the media hardcore to cover things up, NDA is par for the course for any agreement they send out. Remember when you had to sign an NDA to get apple to look at a virus on your mac? Apple has tons of media in their pocket easy, in fact they are often regarded as the best company in the world for being able to do that, how many TV shows or commercials do you see with macs?

Lets ask the important question, did anyone here change their mind about buying an galaxy or I phone based on any of this? Nope probably not. Both companies have shipped 10s of millions of all recent phones and events like this do not even register, you are more likely to die from a vaccine than have one of these phones blow up on you.
 
The astroturf is strong with this one...

Let's make an excuse for Samsung, because only it can give us removable batteries and microSD!

And, no, I really don't remember this supposed Apple virus-checking NDA. Googled it. Can't find anything either.

P.S. When is the last time in recent memory any other company do shit like this? Seriously, I think this is just a bizarre occurrence, but it's the not keeping their warranty promise and adding an "extra clause" to it that's the issue. No one is saying that all S4 are going to start fires, but if it does, you're on your own!
 
Arizonian7 said:
I really hope Samsung goes for a full-body brush aluminum metal on the back rather than the partial aluminum tone on the Asus padphone.

The Galaxy J also has a removable battery even though it's got an aluminum back cover.

Perhaps Samsung is going to implement that design language on the Galaxy S5?
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I hope I really like this design.
 
Report: Samsung’s first QHD (2560×1440) phone, aka Galaxy S5, to be announced at MWC
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/12/16...0-phone-aka-galaxy-s5-to-be-announced-at-mwc/

The Korean media is revealing some of Samsung’s plans for the coming year. According to ZDNet Korea, Samsung will be announcing its first smartphone with a QHD (2,560×1,440) display at Mobile World Congress (MWC) between February 24 – 27 – although not mentioned by name, this phone is all but certain to be the Galaxy S5, as it would be silly for Samsung to unveil its next major upgrade in display tech on anything but a flagship device, and also because mass production of these QHD displays is already underway.
 
qHD was used for the old 960x540 displays. WQHD is what its supposed to be called. This thing will be almost 600 DPI if that is true, its so dense you could probably strap it on your head and use it as a VR display. lol you could display 2 different images and do 3D side by side.
 
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