Samsung Galaxy S10

Discussion in 'Smart Phones and Devices' started by Nebell, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. Nebell

    Nebell [H]ard|Gawd

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    So far, every time you rooted your Samsung phone, you would trip Knox, making everything Knox related useless, like Secure Folder, Samsung Pay, etc.

    Now, the new fingerprint scanner is also located in Knox, which if we go by the previous experience, if you trip Knox by rooting your phone, you'll end up with a useless fingerprint scanner.

    Now, this won't bother you who don't root, but I like using apps like AdAway to completely remove adds even in apps. And the reason why I choose Android is that I like the customization offered.

    I will hold onto my Note8 as long as I can, but I hope there will be some good alternatives in 2020.
     
  2. Aurelius

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    There's nothing wrong with this as far as I'm concerned.

    It's a bit of a head-scratcher that people treat this as a problem when it's actually the key to Android finding acceptance in fields where it would otherwise be rejected. You want Android phones in the workplace instead of iPhones? Then you need a platform IT managers can trust.

    That and I don't believe that it's worth rooting to steal money from app developers and website creators.
     
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  3. Johnny78

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    I haven't rooted an android in like 4 cycles of phones. Just don't see the need anymore.
     
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  4. leezard

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    Pretty much this, It has been years since i felt i NEEDED to root an android phone.
     
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  5. Nebell

    Nebell [H]ard|Gawd

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    I'm the total opposite. I quickly get annoyed by ads on a new phone. I need to root my phone to be able to use AdAway.
    Samsung could lose a lot of support if they start putting things like this in Knox. Secure Folder and Samsung Pay, fine, but not fingerprint scanner. A lot of people root their phone. A lot. Just check websites like xda-developers. That forum is like, about 10.000-100.000 times bigger than [H].
     
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  6. leezard

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    I guarantee that the number of users who root their phones is far FAR fewer than the number of users that don't. The number of members on xda is irrelevant, it isnt a strictly android rooting forum. They cover everything from windows to tiezn os and everything in between. 4% of their total member count are actually active across the entire forum.

    Sure a lot of people either need or want to root their phones, but they are far outnumbered by the people that dont need or want to.
     
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    Actually I went a step farther and moved to ios because realistically I wasn’t rooting, and wasn’t really finding the need to “customize” my android experience. It always came with headaches.
     
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    If rooting is a thing for you, I'd just switch to a Huawei or Xiaomi or other similar phones, especially for the price.

    If I was going to root and replace everything on it, that''s what I'd do. Like the other fellas, I don't see the need anymore and just keep it running stock to
     
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    If I were going to root and ROM my phone, I'd get a OnePlus.
     
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    I don't care about Knox, and although the 10 looks nice, I'm skipping it... having had a 7,8,9+ I'm sick of TPU screen protectors. Next phone will have a flat screen so I can once again have a decent glass screen protector.
     
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    You dont need root on Samsung phones to block ads. Just use AdHell, which USES Knox to block ads. Hell, it works even better than AdAway.

    And Marshac, there's a great glass protector for the curved screens. Look up Whitestone Dome on amazon. Works really well, though the price is ridiculous.
     
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  12. Aurelius

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    You could get an S10e -- it has a flat screen!
     
  13. Zorachus

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    I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but having owned like 20+ different smartphones over a decade, with half of those being a Nexus / Pixel phone or OnePlus, the other half being several Samsung Galaxy phones, and a few iPhone's.

    On the Android side, it has mostly been this way for me, 9 months to a year into having a phone, and using it with more apps installed, and stuff that's been downloaded on the phone, certain phones can start to get extra laggy, like an old Windows 95 PC. I have to say my Nexus phones and Pixel's have kept being smooth one year later, maybe getting slightly very little bit laggy, but really not much. But...the Galaxy and LG phones absolutely would bog down over time. A year later and they feel like different phones, with hiccups, and slight pauses, and stutters.

    The last Galaxy phone I owned was the S8+, and yep that had the micro stutters and slight lag here and there. It wasn't much, just a half second pause here or there, but I am hyper sensitive to that. Paying so much for a phone, it better be warp speed fast, and smooth as butter 99% all the time forever with zero lag. In my experience the Nexus and Pixel phones were lag free 80% to 90% still after one year. OnePlus phones even better a year later, still smooth. But my Galaxy phones after one year were lag free maybe 50% of the time after awhile. It seems Galaxy phones get worse the older they are. And some Android updates can really make them worse.

    And the few LG phones I've had are worse than Samsung's. I have had the G5 and G6, and V30, Out of the box the LG phones are amazing, super smooth and fluid. One year later and a big Android update, and they can become stutter city, and radically different feeling phones. And LG sucks so hard on security updates.

    This is just my opinion, but if you care for smooth, fluid, almost zero lag on your smartphone, in the Android world, I think it goes, OnePlus #1, Pixel #2, and all others way behind #3, or a Galaxy phone running a custom ROM is right up there too.

    But like I said, the last Samsung phone I owned was the S8+ and that was still the old Lagwiz stutters, maybe the new One UI gets rid of that now? And before that the S7 Edge, holy cow that was unbelievably bad with stutters and hiccups, the S7 one of the worst performing smartphones ever. My entire office had them, and I was the guy setting up their phones, and always keeping them up to date, and all 12 of those S7 Edge phones had terrible lag, just horrible performance. And a lot of them kept the phone exactly the same way it came out of the box LOL. Same home screen wallpaper, same apps, like they changed nothing on the phone whatsoever the entire time, and they still were bad news.

    Actually the cheapest phones of them all, the OnePlus smartphones I owned, were actually the smoothest most lag free phones of them all, a year later, heck 3 years later my old 3t is still crazy fast and very smooth. How can a cheap phone like this be a smoother fluid phone than the big companies ?

    But again, this is just my opinion.
     
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  14. entropism

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    Just preordered 2 of the S10s. Got an AT&T white 128GB for $50, and a pink 128 unlocked for $300.

    Personally, I love the new OneUI, and I couldn't beat the price here. The only reason I'm ditching my Note 9 is because the size is ridiculously large.
     
  15. Johnny78

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    I would agree with your assessment. Especially when it comes to which Android phones provide the fastest, most enjoyable software experience. On that front there's One plus, pixel and everything else.

    The new S10 plus does have me intrigued. Samsung phones have always been sexy. The last time I was seduced by a Samsung phone was I think the S6 curve. I loved the hardware, but yeah, after 6 months, that phone became a laggy mess and I hated using it. With every new generation people say it's getting better. So where are we at with the S10? Some early reports say the One UI is really good with some even going so far as saying (gasp) that they like it better than stock Android. I hope it's true. But really, the true test is how the phone behaves after a few months. The jury's still out.

    But yeah, I have an upgrade available. That S10plus is looking really tempting. But I'm also thinking I can hold out until the pixel 4. (or hell, maybe get both if I wanna be like Zorachus. :p)
     
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    Don't go by this experience. The S6 was fucking awful, especially with memory management. I remember I got mine a few weeks before launch, and I couldn't run pandora & Google maps at the same time, it would shut down Pandora in the background. The S7 was much better in that regard, and it got better form there.
     
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    That wasn't the last experience. Girlfriend had a S7 edge for over a year. By the end it too was a horrendously awful experience to use. I'm sure the S8 and S9 were better. But there's a reason I've been using the pixel line exclusively the last few years. Even after a year, theses phones still feel nearly the same as they did the first few weeks.


    Make sure you post your thoughts once you get your S10. You must have traded in some nice phones to get it so cheap.
     
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    Not a fan of the curved edge screen. I'll hold out for the Pixel 4 XL . Hopefully with 6GB - 8GB RAM, and a minimal notch like the OnePlus 6t
     
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    We had an old S7 or Moto Z Play to hand down to my son now that he's in high school and going away a bit for trips, after using the S7 and Z Play for a while, he definitely preferred the Z Play not only for (literally) 3-4 times the battery life, but for the much faster performance despite having a considerably slower SoC in it.

    Wife has a Note 9 now and it has been fine so far and seems just as fast as my (year older) Pixel 2 XL, but not any faster in general usage.

    Google has been annoying me more and more with their general regression in UI (Pie made so many stupid changes), lack of QA in updates (introducing as many bugs as bug fixes), and generally overpricing their hardware compared to what you get with Samsung/Apple (less RAM, worse design - huge notch, etc, less extra hardware features in general). But seeing posts like this from people and blogs definitely makes me glad I didn't side-grade to the Pixel 3/3XL even with the recent sales they've had.

    I'm still a year or so out probably before I'll want to replace my 2 XL, as it has been a great phone so far and I was lucky enough to win the display lottery on my so it doesn't have any bad blue shifting or crushed blacks (I fixed that in software though), and I don't think it looks much worse than my wife's Note 9 (it just doesn't get nearly as bright or dim, but I don't struggle with it outside or in the dark either). So it seems with the way Google is going, I may finally switch back to Samsung for the Note 10 or it would be perfect if Essential or OP made a phone with stereo speakers (big perk with me - had them on my last 3 phones).
     
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    Yeah, I'm still using my Pixel 2XL as well. I have an upgrade available and normally I would have likely picked up the Pixel 3 XL but the design is pretty bad. Worst notch of any phone. I considered the smaller 3 but I like larger screens (and the better battery life).

    My younger sister just recently upgraded to a pixel 3 (from an original pixel) and so far she's enjoying it.

    But to your point, I agree google has been making some "interesting" decision with regards to their phones. Seems like they got a little lazy with the 3. I've gotten used to the gesture navigation on Pie but I dislike that they made it mandatory for the 3. They should allow people to continue to choose between gesture and on screen buttons. Choice is King. I'm hoping the Samsung/Apple innovations push Google to step up their game for the 4.

    My main reason for not upgrading is realistically my 2XL still does everything well. Good (though not great) battery life, still an amazing camera, and the software is still snappy. Phones for me have kind of hit a plateau where successive generations are only marginally better.

    My older sister has an upgrade opening in March and she asked me what phone I recommended. As Best Buy continues to offer the pixel 3 for $450 off, it becomes pretty compelling at that price point, despite it's flaws. But I also gave her all the pros of the S10plus. I think she's going to get a pixel simply because $450 vesus $1000 is too great a difference. (I was tempted to recommended a One Plus 6T but camera quality is everything to her and unfortunately camera quality is the one area where Oneplus still lags behind the other flagships).
     
  21. Zorachus

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    It's funny my Wife has my old Pixel 2 XL, I have the 3 XL, and man, I actually think the older 2 XL is almost better in some ways. The display seems more vibrant and colorful on the 2 XL over the 3 XL. The battery life is way better on the 2 XL. The haptic feedback engine is night and day stronger on the 2 XL, the whole phone almost vibrates out of your hand, whereas my 3 XL is a slight buzz. Speakers are the same. Speed wise, I see almost zero difference, I can't say the Pixel 3 XL is way faster or smoother than the Pixel 2 XL, no, they seem the same in that department, performance feels equal.

    Now back to your Galaxy S7 comment, wow, that has got to one of the shittiest newer Android phones, tons of bloatware, super laggy, crap speakers, mediocre battery life, but mostly it's lag city with hiccups, and stutters. My entire office has the S7 Edge, and holy crap it performs like poo. Brand new 2 yrs ago when they got them it hiccuped out of the box, and showed very visible lag on all 12 of them. Now a couple years later, those S7 Edge are a shit show, crazy slow, and super choppy.
     
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    Can't agree with Z on the 3XL's screen vs the 2XL. I think the 3XL's screen is noticeably better; same goes for the speakers. The 3XL is what the 2XL should have been. Performance-wise, sure there's very little difference between the two phones. And, we all knew that before we bought our 3XL. The SD 855 is where we're going to see a real performance jump from the 835/845.

    Samsung always makes impressive hardware that ends up being wasted by their software. Will that be the case with the S10 line? Let's check back in about 6-7 months. By then, many of us will be salivating over the Pixel 4/4XL, anyway.

    For the record, I had the S7E and hated everything about it. The last Samsung phone I liked was the Note 5.
     
  23. Zorachus

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    This is a big deal, if this dude is switching to the S10, after being a lifelong iPhone guy. I really don't care, but this guy had a lot of followers, and can sway some people buying opinions .

     
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    Plus the 2019 iPhone lineup, is supposed to be a carbon copy of last year's phones, same exact design, same exact sizes, just the typical hardware and camera upgrades obviously.

    This year with the S10 + Note 10, I could see Samsung taking a bite out of Apples
     
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    He spent as much time criticizing the S10 and Android as complimenting them. Samsung's absurdly long update process alone will frustrate him to no end. I bet he's back to the iPhone a lot sooner than he expects.
     
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    Since Samsung is including at least 6GB in every model, I'm guessing it's okay to going back to use a Samsung phone. Except I like updates, and Samsung has the worst record on it right now. And I'm still pissed about last year and what I had to suffer through trying to make the smaller Galaxy S9 work (it doesn't).
     
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    I am happy enough with my Pixel 3 XL, no way planning on the S10, but I'd be tempted if it was like the old days, where carrier versions could easily be rooted and ROM'd. I'd get one in a heartbeat if official stable Lineage OS 16 was available for it.
     
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    This

    I remember back in the day, rooting the iPhone gave you some cool features that weren't really needed but you also didn't lose anything as back then the iPhone didn't have to protect things such as TouchID. But you almost had to root/break an Android phone as the image that was on it was complete horse crap and to get any type of decent performance out of it you had to get a non-OEM rom for it.

    These days not to much, unless you wanted more than 2 updates from Samsung.
     
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    why not install a firewall on your phone and just block those apps with ads from wifi/data connections. You won't get ads in them then. Any games I play on my phone I disable data before playing, which disables the adverts.
     
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    I used to usually get some kind of security update every month on my S8. I just didn't get updates to the most recent versions of Android anytime within a year of release.
     
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    These "switches" are just for publicity. I remember UrAvgConsumer also announced he was switching to Samsung/Android from iPhone and then 3 months later he stated his daily driver is an iPhone. These tech tubers switch all the time.
     
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    Good point, it's just for viewers.
     
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    It's not just for viewers. They get paid by the companies.
     
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    In many cases, they're not being paid (they're legally required to disclose if they are). The boring answer is that it's either just an attention-grabber or actually reflects their views. I've seen Android sites whose staff switched to iPhones temporarily; that doesn't mean they're being paid by Apple, especially if you listen to their final verdicts.
     
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    Are they recieving and getting to keep the phone for free? If so they are being paid, its just the cash is phone shaped.
     
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    Most people who review phones aren't getting them for free. Reviewers usually have to stick their necks out and make outrageous claims to draw in viewers from the other more established ones and the more established ones have to keep their viewers by making outlandish statements. I think statements on what they are using is stupid. I don't see the need to know if they switched or not, I just want to know how well it works and consider for myself if I want to switch. I don't care if Neckbeard McSkinnyjeans likes the iPhone now or was a life long iPhone lover but felt his iPhone cheated on him and is now switching over to the Samsung in spite.

    When they say they were supplied a phone, that means they were paid with the phone, even if they have to return it. Not exactly as interesting of a conspiracy theory as getting paid in phat stax to say something though.
     
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    They're not really being paid if they have to return it, though -- it's a loaner. I wouldn't expect a car reviewer to buy or rent every vehicle they test, so why would we expect YouTubers to buy every phone they intend to post about? If anything, it's risky to encourage purchases unless a creator can genuinely afford to buy a wide variety of devices, since they'll have an incentive to justify spending their money.
     
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    "legally required". Jaywalking is illegal too, doesn't mean it matters if you do it or not.

    Samsung has a history of promoting like this. They pay people to praise their devices on forums, they pay reviewers, they have brand advocates who shamelessly shill their products, etc.

    I noticed a trend on the S7, S8, S9 and Note9 subreddits - One annoying user on the S7 subreddit would go into VERY long winded posts, spouting off a bunch of bullshit and basically sucking Samsung's dick on every single post. He would repost "user guides" and a 3 page long "tips & tricks" post, etc.

    When a new phone would come out, another user with a different name would basically post the same exact shit on the new subreddit, and start all over again. Same writing style, same typos, same everything, different name.

    Just saying, paying reviewers doesn't surprise me.
     
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    I'm definitely aware of Samsung's astroturfing, but I think you'd need to show that YouTubers and other reviewers (the mainstream ones, at least) are actually accepting gifts and not talking about it. In the US the FTC is quick to crack down, even in the current political environment.
     
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    All this talk about slowdowns... this past week my podcast app suddenly takes about 30 seconds to load up. It's like my S9+ just got the memo that the S10 is available.
     
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