Ryzen 2700 or 2700x

Kuromizu

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I'm concerned about daily use cases, noise, power consumption.

I'm using a 2700x but I'm still in the return policy with Microcenter. I don't want to manually overclock either CPU because you lose the dynamic boosting that helps these CPUs function more efficiently. The Wraith Prism is not as good as people say. In my experience, it's loud and obnoxious.

The price difference between the 2700 and 2700x is only $22 (including sales tax); which is why I bought it.

The electricity cost of running the 2700x is probably about $5-10 per annum difference.

The thing that bugs me is that the 2700x is always boosting to crazy frequencies. Open chrome? boost. New tab? boost. etc. etc.

In my experience so far, I can't feel a performance difference between the 2700x that I have now and the 2700 that I used to have. All I know is that the 2700X seems about twice as power hungry and keeps turning up my fans.

For the most part, the machine is supposed to be a quiet video editing and gaming PC.


Think I should just go back to the 2700?
 

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Yeah it's a little lame that the CPU heatsink fan spins up when the cpu is warm, not when the actual heatsink is warming up. So the fan pulses right away when it doesn't need to, my 8086K system does this. Notice that GPUs seem to get this right. I would keep the 2700X personally.
 

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I'm concerned about daily use cases, noise, power consumption.

I'm using a 2700x but I'm still in the return policy with Microcenter. I don't want to manually overclock either CPU because you lose the dynamic boosting that helps these CPUs function more efficiently. The Wraith Prism is not as good as people say. In my experience, it's loud and obnoxious.

The price difference between the 2700 and 2700x is only $22 (including sales tax); which is why I bought it.

The electricity cost of running the 2700x is probably about $5-10 per annum difference.

The thing that bugs me is that the 2700x is always boosting to crazy frequencies. Open chrome? boost. New tab? boost. etc. etc.

In my experience so far, I can't feel a performance difference between the 2700x that I have now and the 2700 that I used to have. All I know is that the 2700X seems about twice as power hungry and keeps turning up my fans.

For the most part, the machine is supposed to be a quiet video editing and gaming PC.


Think I should just go back to the 2700?

What's your case airflow like? It shouldn't be ramping up in single core loads like that unless you have an aggressive fan curve or it's not getting cool enough air. Under all core loads, well there's no getting away from it ramping up to full speed if you want to keep the boost over 3.9.

Having experience with both the prism and spire (that's on the 2700), well they're both loud at full bore, though the Spire isn't quite as loud. Both will be running full bore to keep the chips running at max boost all-core, even if your case is at ambient. So if you want quiet from either chip under multi thread loads, you'll probably need to look at aftermarket cooling.
 

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Every rig has different cooling specs. I have a 2700x, but I'm using a Corsair AIO cooler for it (in a Fractal R6 case). Yes, it's warm, but some of that is due to the r9 390 gpu. However, it is whisper quiet. The water cooling AIO is much more stable (no changing fan speeds) and quiet than an air cooler which spins up and down.

The reason for posting that? Well, you can either change your cooling system or go back to a 2700.

FWIW, I experimented with an NZXT AIO in an i7-4790k build. Once I realized what an improvement that type of cpu cooler is, I've never gone back.

I know that getting an AIO is a more expensive, and more complex, solution. You'd have to find radiator space and install it, and that probably means a total rebuild of your rig. But, you'd have the AIO for the next build, and you'd have a very quiet machine.

Or, return the 2700x, and put the 2700 back in. Total time would be about 15 minutes and you'd be up a few dollars.
 

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Concerns on energy cost is amusing. If noise is such a great concern, you should have bought quieter fans, a cooler case and/or an AIO and planned accordingly. You can also underclock it. The "X" is meant to be driven to the edge, you probably should have stuck with the non-"X".

Can't you just disable PB?
 

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I am going to go with poor case airflow.

Although, IMO, if you want quieter, it's not just case airflow, but also pairing it with a heatsink that is better able to absorb and dissipate heat.

I am using an NH-D14 on my 2700X, but even that thing will hit 80c under sustained loads.
Small bursts of boost doesn't even cause the fans to ramp up.
 

pioruns

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For $20 extra, the 2700x is a no brainer.

Agree. Fix the real cause of noise. You can underclock/undervolt. Disable core boot. Possibilities are endless. X is a better chip which overclock better and behaves better at lower speeds. Stick with it :)
 

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Huh??

Y'all are nuking the shit out if this mole hill.

Just customize your power management selection and dont use the Ryzen power management option.

I have a 2950x and with power management I am parking 12 cores when not under load and maybe hitting 2.4ghz when opening chrome etc..
 

pavel

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I said, $20, but now I need advice.... lol

Quick... :) Kidding....please, advise....under careful consideration....which to choose?:

$350 - 2700X (used)
$370 - 2700 (new) - difference is not just $20 but one is used and one is new.....should I care? :)
 

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I said, $20, but now I need advice.... lol

Quick... :) Kidding....please, advise....under careful consideration....which to choose?:

$350 - 2700X (used)
$370 - 2700 (new) - difference is not just $20 but one is used and one is new.....should I care? :)

2700x used. CPU's done die often. You're pretty safe unless someone has broken off pins.
 

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I have a 2700x and I'm happy with it. I did give the Wraith a chance, and it is pretty, but for as beefy as it is (for an oem cooler) it isn't the greatest or the quiet-est when it spins up.

Also the case makes a huge difference. Some (like mine) are geared for silence, others are geared for disco lights and glass panels. News flash, glass does jack shit for noise insulation. And some are just cheap and shitty.

And energy savings per different cpu's? You're on the wrong forum, friend-o. :)
 

pavel

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Update: I bought the 2700 although I advised/recommended going with the 2700X - but, that was based on it being only an extra $20. I paid $100 less to get the 2700 instead of the 2700X since it was on sale.
Edit: Actually, it would be more than $100 saved since the 2700X here is $427 + tax.
 

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Update: I bought the 2700 although I advised/recommended going with the 2700X - but, that was based on it being only an extra $20. I paid $100 less to get the 2700 instead of the 2700X since it was on sale.
Edit: Actually, it would be more than $100 saved since the 2700X here is $427 + tax.

I did this route as well. Put that 2700 non x at 4.2ghz and call it day!
 

pavel

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IF you don't want to manually overclock. STICK WITH THE X

the 2700 non-x does not get PBO (as I just found out with the 2600 :) )
PBO? I already got the non-X. It was $327 with tax vs $425 PLUS TAX.... Do you think it's worth over $100 more to get the X?
 

pavel

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I did this route as well. Put that 2700 non x at 4.2ghz and call it day!
I'm glad I'm not the only one, honestly. :) What mobo should I get? Is there anything pretty good that is a bit cheaper than the ASUS Crosshair? :)
 

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PBO? I already got the non-X. It was $327 with tax vs $425 PLUS TAX.... Do you think it's worth over $100 more to get the X?

Precision boost overdrive, the super awesome feature that will get you 4.2-4.3ghz boost from your cpu without overclocking ;P

That said, if you're going to overclock (*which you have said no to already), the non-x is perfectly fine.
Also consider that the X also gets a better heatsink, which could save you $30-40

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/04/30/amd_precision_boost_2_wraith_prism_deep_dive
 

pavel

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Precision boost overdrive, the super awesome feature that will get you 4.2-4.3ghz boost from your cpu without overclocking ;P

That said, if you're going to overclock (*which you have said no to already), the non-x is perfectly fine.
Also consider that the X also gets a better heatsink, which could save you $30-40

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/04/30/amd_precision_boost_2_wraith_prism_deep_dive
I did want the X as I have posted that was my plan before. But, Amazon had a sale on the non-X so I took it. It was a lot cheaper than the typical retail of either the non-X and X - so, I thought it was a good deal and a worthwhile compromise to make. If the X ever goes on sale by a lot, yeah, maybe I will be kicking myself but right now, I think it was a good decision - hopefully. I don't mind buying an aftermarket heatsink/cooler. Even if the AMD one is sufficient, I prefer buying an aftermarket one (that's a given for intel processors). I also might go liquid AIO and if so, I would be buying one anyway, right?

P.S. Thanks for the quick answer. I should have known what PBO is... I have read/heard about it before.
 

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I did want the X as I have posted that was my plan before. But, Amazon had a sale on the non-X so I took it. It was a lot cheaper than the typical retail of either the non-X and X - so, I thought it was a good deal and a worthwhile compromise to make. If the X ever goes on sale by a lot, yeah, maybe I will be kicking myself but right now, I think it was a good decision - hopefully. I don't mind buying an aftermarket heatsink/cooler. Even if the AMD one is sufficient, I prefer buying an aftermarket one (that's a given for intel processors). I also might go liquid AIO and if so, I would be buying one anyway, right?

P.S. Thanks for the quick answer. I should have known what PBO is... I have read/heard about it before.

The price difference is pretty big so it's not a bad deal, just do a little OCing and call it a day ;P , I guess you're no in the US?
 

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In Canadia? I got my 2600 for $199 from Amazon.ca as well :p the 2600X was $279 by comparison at the time.
Yep. You have to pay the 'Canadian' tax, too, don't forget so everything is more expensive for the same thing that Americans buy. I was considering the 2600/2600X at one time and comparing to the i5-8400 but decided to get an 8-core cpu since I don't upgrade much. :) At least, that is how I justified it.
 

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2700x is nice as it's basically the best the cpu can give you

the 2700 is basically all dialled back to meet the 65w target you should be able to overclock it to 4ghz to 4.2ghz all 8 cores (depends on quality of cpu you got) but it run hotter and slower then a 2700x in its default state

The turbo boost is only on one core for max advertised peak speed but 2000 series CPUs have far better scaling when more than one core is being loaded (only starts to drop off when more then 5 cores are loaded up)

where is the 1800x for example if more than one core was loaded it would severely drop off a cliff so instead of say 4.1 Ghz on 1 core, if more then 2 cores were used it drop to say like 3.7ghz for any core loads (I just have mine set to 3.92ghz all. Cores as it can do that with no tweaking)

I am Not sure but the 1700x or 1800x might of been faster Then the 2700 non-x (unless you overclock the 2700 witch overclocks better then the 1700x/1800x)
 

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2700x is nice as it's basically the best the cpu can give you

the 2700 is basically all dialled back to meet the 65w target you should be able to overclock it to 4ghz to 4.2ghz all 8 cores (depends on quality of cpu you got) but it run hotter and slower then a 2700x in its default state

The turbo boost is only on one core for max advertised peak speed but 2000 series CPUs have far better scaling when more than one core is being loaded (only starts to drop off when more then 5 cores are loaded up)

where is the 1800x for example if more than one core was loaded it would severely drop off a cliff so instead of say 4.1 Ghz on 1 core, if more then 2 cores were used it drop to say like 3.7ghz for any core loads (I just have mine set to 3.92ghz all. Cores as it can do that with no tweaking)

I am Not sure but the 1700x or 1800x might of been faster Then the 2700 non-x (unless you overclock the 2700 witch overclocks better then the 1700x/1800x)
If I don't overclock it (2700), what will it be running? Will it be behind on most benchmarks?
 

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If you aren't overclocking, stick with the 2700X. If you are overclocking, get the 2700. Either way, you can always get a quieter HSF and sell that stock cooler.
 
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