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RTX 4060 teaser

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Jays 2 Cents pre embargo teaser video, is somewhat informative.


Take what you will from it, not the worst card I suppose based on the teaser.
 
This is literally propaganda.

https://www.computerbase.de/2023-06...stung-und-less-power/#update-2023-06-26T17:01

At the moment, some YouTube channels are already publishing the first "teasers" for their respective tests of the GeForce RTX 4060, which are not a breach of the NDA. Instead, the corresponding videos and shorts are authorized by Nvidia to the extent that selected influencers are already allowed to give an outlook on the new graphics card with the exclusive permission of the manufacturer if they focus their reporting within the scope of this content on the performance gain via DLSS 3 including frame generation only compare in selected games and only test with settings specified by Nvidia.

As a result, Nvidia plays the content creators off against each other: Those who are allowed to report earlier can be sure of greater attention and the associated higher income. Accordingly, peer pressure is enforced, because those who do not report potentially lose viewers to competing channels. For the manufacturer, in turn, the procedure has several advantages. On the one hand, Nvidia can place effective advertising via the supposedly trustworthy influencers, and on the other hand, the narrative for the independent tests, which will not be published until June 28th, is already set: the first impression is the most important.

As ComputerBase has learned from relevant sources, Nvidia intends to use this type of exclusive advertising teaser more frequently and on a broader scale in the future.
 
staknhalo said:
I'm going with: 'No, not worth watching a Jay Z 50 Cent or whatever video'. Final answer. Did I get it? 👀
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TaintedSquirrel said:
This is literally propaganda.

https://www.computerbase.de/2023-06...stung-und-less-power/#update-2023-06-26T17:01

At the moment, some YouTube channels are already publishing the first "teasers" for their respective tests of the GeForce RTX 4060, which are not a breach of the NDA. Instead, the corresponding videos and shorts are authorized by Nvidia to the extent that selected influencers are already allowed to give an outlook on the new graphics card with the exclusive permission of the manufacturer if they focus their reporting within the scope of this content on the performance gain via DLSS 3 including frame generation only compare in selected games and only test with settings specified by Nvidia.

As a result, Nvidia plays the content creators off against each other: Those who are allowed to report earlier can be sure of greater attention and the associated higher income. Accordingly, peer pressure is enforced, because those who do not report potentially lose viewers to competing channels. For the manufacturer, in turn, the procedure has several advantages. On the one hand, Nvidia can place effective advertising via the supposedly trustworthy influencers, and on the other hand, the narrative for the independent tests, which will not be published until June 28th, is already set: the first impression is the most important.

As ComputerBase has learned from relevant sources, Nvidia intends to use this type of exclusive advertising teaser more frequently and on a broader scale in the future.
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Fucking nailed it 💪
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
As a result, Nvidia plays the content creators off against each other: Those who are allowed to report earlier can be sure of greater attention and the associated higher income. Accordingly, peer pressure is enforced, because those who do not report potentially lose viewers to competing channels. For the manufacturer, in turn, the procedure has several advantages. On the one hand, Nvidia can place effective advertising via the supposedly trustworthy influencers, and on the other hand, the narrative for the independent tests, which will not be published until June 28th, is already set: the first impression is the most important.
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If this were capitalism, then each tech reviewer would be given an equal opportunity on release day to do testing of the released product and put out their results of said product.
Instead, we are treated to corporatism by NVIDIA who purposely allow compliant "influencers" to spread their exclusive propaganda to bolster their views and NVIDIA's sales artificially, while simultaneously quashing all other non-compliant/wrong-think tech reviewers to minimize the spread of factual truths of said product.

I would say vote with your wallet, but there isn't any point since NVIDIA, now valued at over $1 trillion USD as the 7th USA-based megacorp, doesn't need your money any longer when they have big AI and big compute in their pockets without question.
This is what happens without competition, and when weak/corrupt governments allow largecorps to become megacorps with complete and forced dominance and control over their respective markets.

Megacorps manipulating the masses in the dark cyberpunk future... I remember when this used to be written about in sci-fi dystopian novels and movies, not reported on as real-world tech news.
Enjoy the scraps they graciously offer while you can. :borg:

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TaintedSquirrel said:
This is literally propaganda.

https://www.computerbase.de/2023-06...stung-und-less-power/#update-2023-06-26T17:01

At the moment, some YouTube channels are already publishing the first "teasers" for their respective tests of the GeForce RTX 4060, which are not a breach of the NDA. Instead, the corresponding videos and shorts are authorized by Nvidia to the extent that selected influencers are already allowed to give an outlook on the new graphics card with the exclusive permission of the manufacturer if they focus their reporting within the scope of this content on the performance gain via DLSS 3 including frame generation only compare in selected games and only test with settings specified by Nvidia.

As a result, Nvidia plays the content creators off against each other: Those who are allowed to report earlier can be sure of greater attention and the associated higher income. Accordingly, peer pressure is enforced, because those who do not report potentially lose viewers to competing channels. For the manufacturer, in turn, the procedure has several advantages. On the one hand, Nvidia can place effective advertising via the supposedly trustworthy influencers, and on the other hand, the narrative for the independent tests, which will not be published until June 28th, is already set: the first impression is the most important.

As ComputerBase has learned from relevant sources, Nvidia intends to use this type of exclusive advertising teaser more frequently and on a broader scale in the future.
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I am sure Kyle had an editorial on this ...
 
Steve from GamersNexus

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/c...rolled_tests_of_rtx4060_on_june_2627/jppkkxi/

They hesitated to approach, eventually did, and we then strongly declined. At least our rep knew that'd be the outcome. Hardware Unboxed also declined.

If it were "do whatever you want to do, test however you want, and compare against whatever you want, but only with the Brand New Diablo 5 that is launching 3 days ahead of the GPU launch," we'd consider it as it's basically a game performance review except featuring a new card, it's fully independent, and it makes sense as it's with some new major software. We've done things like that before -- game performance or game software review as a standalone/feature piece to study the software performance on hardware. But it's a little different when it's a new expensive GPU with highly restricted conditions.

The actual scenario, however, was "test under only precisely these conditions, with these settings, and don't show X, Y, and Z things," which is not OK for us. That's just marketing.
 
Red Falcon said:
If this were capitalism, then each tech reviewer would be given an equal opportunity on release day to do testing of the released product and put out their results of said product.
Instead, we are treated to corporatism by NVIDIA who purposely allow compliant "influencers" to spread their exclusive propaganda to bolster their views and NVIDIA's sales artificially, while simultaneously quashing all other non-compliant/wrong-think tech reviewers to minimize the spread of factual truths of said product.
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I am not sure how any of this goes again any main aspect of capitalism (private property, capital accumulation, free (they all can not do it), competition, profit motive)

All tech companies does it, almost all influencer does it, the vote with your dollar would be hard, who was the last GPU company to not send free sample to selected influencers with a guideline that include an embargo date ?
 
LukeTbk said:
I am not sure how any of this goes again any main aspect of capitalism (private property, capital accumulation, free (they all can not do it), competition, profit motive)

All tech companies does it, almost all influencer does it, the vote with your dollar would be hard, who was the last GPU company to not send free sample to selected influencers with a guideline that include an embargo date ?
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He has a very rosy view of capitalism. I don't think there's any equal opportunity clauses included in the definition.
 
was Jay the only one who took the bait? i didnt see an LTT video even. Tells you more about Jay than the card itself... that channel has NOTHING of value.

after his 4060Ti screw up, you would think he would be more careful.
 
Lakados said:
Jays 2 Cents pre embargo teaser video, is somewhat informative.


Take what you will from it, not the worst card I suppose based on the teaser.
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He's saying basically what they want him to say.

This is like 95% of techtubers these days...

Anyone who is given free product to review better be looking for the strings.

The Frame Gen tech is impressive, so there may be a chance that if he agreed with the script, that he took the offer (whatever it might have been) since he would be saying the same things anyway in the full release day review.

But eh, I don't really like him or his reviews. Or most techtubers. They all like to copy each other and jump on the bandwagon... Like half of the shitty memes/fads you see on instagram or tiktok.
 
sc5mu93 said:
was Jay the only one who took the bait? i didnt see an LTT video even. Tells you more about Jay than the card itself... that channel has NOTHING of value.

after his 4060Ti screw up, you would think he would be more careful.
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Daniel Owen (being quite open about the deal):
 
MavericK said:
So Jayz2Cents has no journalistic integrity. Got it.
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How many of them as the first one, the really basic never accept a gift like the ability to try the product before launch and respect some NDA about it in exchange, something a basic newspapers would have never agreed too, let alone a consumer report publication type (that buy in regular retail store everything they test, not an cherry-picked by the producer).

Those independent reviewer following basic journalistic integrity would be hard, cost significantly more, during shortage even hard to get your hand on stuff, your video would be quite inferior or quite later than everyone else.

The best you can be is forego a lot of journalistic integrity and strike a nice balance, if your a big enough like LTT or HardWare unboxed you can achieve something not too bad.

At least J2C does not seem to try to give any aura of being a journalist.
 
LukeTbk said:
How many of them as the first one, the really basic never accept a gift like the ability to try the product before launch and respect some NDA about it in exchange, something a basic newspapers would have never agreed too, let alone a consumer report publication type (that buy in regular retail store everything they test, not an cherry-picked by the producer).

Those independent reviewer following basic journalistic integrity would be hard, cost significantly more, during shortage even hard to get your hand on stuff, your video would be quite inferior or quite later than everyone else.

The best you can be is forego a lot of journalistic integrity and strike a nice balance, if your a big enough like LTT or HardWare unboxed you can achieve something not too bad.

At least J2C does not seem to try to give any aura of being a journalist.
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I get what you're saying, but J2C is plenty big enough to not have to do this. They want to be considered in the ranks of HWUB and GN, but pulling stunts like this just shows they are not even on the same level.
 
I don't mind if you sell out (we all gotta eat and shit's expensive if you noticed) as long as you always disclose it beforehand at the start of the video

Even better/plus disclose non-sponsored product videos (so just put disclosure on all videos) like some smaller tech tubers do
 
staknhalo said:
I don't mind if you sell out (we all gotta eat and shit's expensive if you noticed) as long as you always disclose it beforehand at the start of the video
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Accepting free stuff from company to test is so common by now that it is faster to precise the few times when thats not the case (and they tend to do).

In the 90s when a movie reviewer accepted a plane ticket from a studio to go see movies at a festival (reviewer working for newspaper would not have accepted to ever not pay for their festival tickets, travel, see movie for free or accept any form of embargo) it created a scandal, now about no one that review movie can achieve to do just that and they all accept embargo, doing interviews with talents, talking to studios, some even accept to tweet reaction after seeing a premiere but not a review.

It is just moving, now accepting free product, accepting to have them in advance in exchange of being part of a launch marketing campaign with an embargo is being ok (people that play that game will criticized J2C) and it will move and move even more, now accepting big gift like access to visit a foundry for content will be seen as ok or nice content with Intel GPU ingenior.

Something was lost going from solid newspaper with journalist to enthusiast content-click revenues, but a lot was gained as well, the race to control them by the big guy make them talk to them, show them stuff and make nice content for us to watch and what is lost really when talking about video game toys hardware reviews (or movies)... that less insidious-important than CNN-military type of collaboration or big pharmas spending almost half of the ads budget on news shows.

Is there a single big name that refuse to follow any NDA-embargo date, free stuff from company (products, access, interview) i.e. the very minimum of reviewing integrity, some very small that do not do review in particular maybe, but they are all way past in the new grey zone that would have never been accepted by journalist-publication pre-web.
 
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Definitely reached the new norm, where yeah it out performs the same tier of the previous generation but a half tier higher (aka 3060ti) not so much.
 
Lakados said:
Jays 2 Cents pre embargo teaser video, is somewhat informative.


Take what you will from it, not the worst card I suppose based on the teaser.
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Could push some price down, A750-A770 maybe the 3060-3060TI price does not make much sense now, the 7600 sku above $270 does not make much sense in a world with nice 4060 Asus at the $300 price point.

when was the last card launch with the potential to do that ?
 
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Releases like these make me sad for the state of PC gaming. I feel like we are past peak, and it will be downhill from here until we are all console peasants or cloud gamers.
This used to be entry level tier (or close to it), and I don't see this type of price/performance bringing droves of new PC gamers.
 
LukeTbk said:
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Could push some price down, A750-A770 maybe the 3060-3060TI price does not make much sense now, the 7600 sku above $270 does not make much sense in a world with nice 4060 Asus at the $300 price point.

when was the last card launch with the potential to do that ?
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Look at the video above yours at 15:00. A lot of these cards are already below MSRP.
 
Maybe so. Time will tell. I still convert people to PC gaming just like always. Cheap decent 2nd hand parts and systems that are roughly console price or less and they almost always get hooked. But I agree that moves towards everything as a service may very well change all that.
sc5mu93 said:
Releases like these make me sad for the state of PC gaming. I feel like we are past peak, and it will be downhill from here until we are all console peasants or cloud gamers.
This used to be entry level tier (or close to it), and I don't see this type of price/performance bringing droves of new PC gamers.
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Look at the video above yours at 15:00. A lot of these cards are already below MSRP.
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Yeah msrp is a nice metric early in the cycle but street price is what actually matters in price performance and as soon as price adjustments are made you have to recalculate.
 
sc5mu93 said:
was Jay the only one who took the bait? i didnt see an LTT video even. Tells you more about Jay than the card itself... that channel has NOTHING of value.

after his 4060Ti screw up, you would think he would be more careful.
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Jayz2cents was alright back in the day but to be frank I lump him in the same class as Gamers Meld now. Hard to believe he has gotten worse as he grew. Like Gamers Nexus and LTT have put an absurd amount of money back into their channels for various different testing, etc. LTT has pretty interesting side things tech related that I enjoy.

Gamers Nexus and HWUB are my main go to for detailed benchmarks. Digital Foundry for technical analysis and Optimum Tech for SFF cases/builds. Cross Talk Solutions for Ubiquiti stuff, and any WWF/WWE podcasts/channels like Jim Cornettes Drive Thru or any of Conrad Thompsons stuff. Redacted for news, etc. I obviously watch other channels and support them where I can.
 
LukeTbk said:
Very fast prediction being right, maybe even before it was made.
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Well it's always been an issue with the price per performance (PPP?), you have to basically draw a line in the sand because prices are all over the place, and MSRP seems that place. Granted the "unicorn price" didn't make any sense when AIB partners were all above it, and conversely it doesn't make as much sense as the FE 3060ti can be gotten at Best Buy for $350 now... well assuming you have one local to you as they still do that regional stock bullshit. I've always been a fan of "what's my budget, ok whats the best I can get within that budget", that's the best PPP I can come up with :)
 
GoodBoy said:
He's saying basically what they want him to say.

This is like 95% of techtubers these days...

Anyone who is given free product to review better be looking for the strings.

The Frame Gen tech is impressive, so there may be a chance that if he agreed with the script, that he took the offer (whatever it might have been) since he would be saying the same things anyway in the full release day review.

But eh, I don't really like him or his reviews. Or most techtubers. They all like to copy each other and jump on the bandwagon... Like half of the shitty memes/fads you see on instagram or tiktok.
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No kidding. It's obvious you didn't watch it.
 
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