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I need some spare parts for the FT02 and can't find them on silverstone website.
I was suprised at how cheap the thing that holds the fan down on the case. I stripped one of the screw holes cause I didn't know it was made of cheap plastic. But for the life of me I can't figure out how to snap it out. The screw still holds on fairly tight, but not sure if it'll come lose over time.

The other part is the plastic part that attaches to the fan. When i was screwing it to the fan it cracked out from the hole. I noticed that this part has a slight defect where the holes don't quite match up to the fan holes so it warps after its attached.

I hope these parts can be replaced. I was swapping out the old fans with new AP181 fans.
 
yeah given the price I'm actually surprised at some of the areas where they skimped like the horrible plastic HD cages....

btw I just installed megahaelms and wow what a temp diff :D

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seeing like drops of 6-10deg C on load in prime.
 
Galvin, I'm surprised you had as much trouble with the fan trays and mounts as you did. When I changed out my fans to AP181s nothing came apart for me. I wasn't being super careful with it either.
 
I'm going to call tommorow for replacement parts. I doub't I can replace the fan thing that is attached to the case, it looks like its snapped in permanently and probably would have to break it to get it out. If they send me a replacement for that then i'll break the old one out and put the new one in.

Yeah I was surprised the bracket broke, cause I did another one with no issues at all. Also you think they would of made the fan bracket screw holes line up with the fan holes. Guess I could fix that buy making the holes wider.
 
I have a Lian-Li PC-B10 that I'm thinking about ditching for this. My main complaint with the Lian-Li is that I can't run multi-GPUs with cards longer than ~11", which means I can't add a second 5870. How do you guys like working with this case with your CF/SLI setups?
 
I just swapped a CM Sniper BE for this a few minutes ago.

Love the quiet.
Love the looks/design.
It's exactly what I was looking for.

Ify on it not being screwless/tooless when it comes to expansion slots, really liked that about the Sniper. It's not a huge concern as I tend not to swap out gear all that much.
I also didn't use the velcro strap for the PSU, didn't seem like it was really needed?

Not much room behind the mobo/side for my cables, I've got a little bulge that doesn't seem to be able to be fixed; I'll have to revisit this.

Bottom fan controls...not sure about the rest of you but setting them to L(ow) shuts OFF the front fan under the drive cage and the one below the video card area spins slower than the rear fan set to L. Is this common? would it be based on my mobo connections?

Fan speeds are all over the place too (RPMs):

1002
577
510
740

I'm going to have to jump back and and check which is where but something seems off.

Temps compared to the Sniper using Asus PC Prove show a 3 degree drop in mobo and cpu/SB temps. (idle). Sound drop is amazing, even with the main fans set to H(igh) as I doubt I would be able to tell if they were H or L. Exactly what I was looking for.

Dislike the mis-matched coloring of the case and 5.25 drive bays.
Totally forgot I need a new faceplate or Silver DVD drive now :)

My NAS is louder =D
 
also didn't use the velcro strap for the PSU, didn't seem like it was really needed?

It's not really essential.

Bottom fan controls...not sure about the rest of you but setting them to L(ow) shuts OFF the front fan under the drive cage and the one below the video card area spins slower than the rear fan set to L. Is this common? would it be based on my mobo connections?

They should all spin around 700rpm (+- 100) on the low setting. Plug them into the molex adapter and straight into the PSU, not your motherboard.

Not much room behind the mobo/side for my cables, I've got a little bulge that doesn't seem to be able to be fixed; I'll have to revisit this.

You can reduce this by routing your cables better. I suggest going to the hardware store and getting a pack of cable clips to screw into the back of the mobo. The 1/2" size is the largest you can fit. Check out pics of my machine here to see this.
 
It's not really essential.

I didn't think it was, seemed like an 'oop' hack fix on their part.

They should all spin around 700rpm (+- 100) on the low setting. Plug them into the molex adapter and straight into the PSU, not your motherboard.

That was my next plan

You can reduce this by routing your cables better. I suggest going to the hardware store and getting a pack of cable clips to screw into the back of the mobo. The 1/2" size is the largest you can fit. Check out pics of my machine here to see this.

Good job on your case! I did a pretty good job of wiring/zip tie work the first round, but another pass won't hurt. It's not BULGING but it's certainly not 100% flush on the font side. What screws did you use with those clips?


Heat-wise after letting it bake for a bit sees a 1 degree drop in temp with my AC on (was off before) and the dual 4870s are the real culprits here, the top portion of the case directly above them is very warm to the touch; I'll be replacing them with a single card solution once the 6xxx series releases (or I find a sweet deal on a 5970).
 
All good now.

Fans connected via molex adapter, all spin up on both H and L case temps have dropped:

Idle:

CPU=37C (stock)
Mobo=33C
NB=50 (looks like I'll have to pop her off and reapply some paste)
SB=37

Case bulge/closure issue fixed (rogue Sata connector).

Now to find a silver faceplate Blu-Ray Rom...
 
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Day two of the case and it looks like my my temps have averaged out to:

CPU 36
MB 34
NB 48
SB 38

With my 4870 fans at 100% (jet engines) I can drop these temps by close to 5 degrees each! These things run hot hot hot. I can get them to 32/35%, up form 20% with no audible difference.

Once I check the NB HS contact and swap in a single card I should be much better temp wise and could probably drop the case fans to L.

Still hunting for a BD ROM in silver, using a dated DVD drive might as well upgrade and not worry about stealth mod...probably should have gotten the case in black...
 
What screws did you use with those clips?

I just used the screws that came with the FT02. They're the ones that you use to screw graphics cards into the case.

Now to find a silver faceplate Blu-Ray Rom...

You could always do a stealth mod. Google FT02 stealth mod. Another member in here did it too.
 
Yup, see my review here.

On high you wouldn't need an exhaust fan. As for a CPU one, probably not. It is fairly loud though (for me at least... I like quiet).
Great Review !...I was goin' back & forth tryin' to see if someone had it on their SSFT02 Definetly gettin' AP181 fans! :)
 
Just finished putting a WC loop in my FT02. Man, it's A LOT tougher than it seems (if you're planning on putting the rad on top of the stock 180mm fans). I've run into some issues that forced me to re-do my loop, but I'll put up pics of the interim solution later.
 
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So here's my interim watercooling loop till I can get a new reservoir. I grabbed an old D-Tek bay res from one of my friends. Unfortunately it was too long and ended up hittng my motherboard before going all the way in the bay. I had to place it on top of the case for now. In order to mount the radiator the way I did I had to drill two new mounting holes in the 120mm to 180mm brackets so I could flip the brackets around. Right now it's only secured via one screw to the rear 180mm fan. Once I get a reservoir I can place inside the case I'll be securing it down better and hopefully straightening it out.

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The picture above illustrates a few problems with the FT02 and watercooling. First off you can see that my radiator isn't sitting straight. The 24pin ATX connector is pushing the radiator out. In addition, you'll notice I'm not using my beloved San Ace fans. This is because they're too tall and end up bumping into the memory sticks further pushing the radiator out. I really wanted to retain the use of the AP181 fans in the bottom of the case, but I'm considering swapping the rear most AP181 for one of my san aces and seeing if it's possble to mount the radiator to it.
 
Bay reservoirs/pump combos are so much better for FT02 cases. I hope you consider one. It's tight in there.
 
Bay reservoirs/pump combos are so much better for FT02 cases.

Problem is I don't have enough room for one lol. I'm trying to get a Swiftech Micro res which I plan on mounting to the top grille of the case next to the PCI slots. I'm going to make a new mount for the pump and bolt it to one of the AP181 fans. I think I'm also going to try andm ake a new mount for the radiator so I can move out towards the edge of the case away frmo the motherboard. This should allow ample clearance for the ATX 24pin connector and allow me to clear the RAM modules so I can put my San Ace fans back on there.
 
Problem is I don't have enough room for one lol. I'm trying to get a Swiftech Micro res which I plan on mounting to the top grille of the case next to the PCI slots. I'm going to make a new mount for the pump and bolt it to one of the AP181 fans. I think I'm also going to try andm ake a new mount for the radiator so I can move out towards the edge of the case away frmo the motherboard. This should allow ample clearance for the ATX 24pin connector and allow me to clear the RAM modules so I can put my San Ace fans back on there.

Sounds like a ton of work. This is the only reason why I sold my FT02. Water cooling. It's superior in every other way to the 800D though. When it's time to take it to the next level the FT02 is a headache.
 
Sounds like a ton of work. This is the only reason why I sold my FT02. Water cooling. It's superior in every other way to the 800D though. When it's time to take it to the next level the FT02 is a headache.

Ton of work = WC in general lol.
 
The FT02 is likely the best air cooling case out there now. Throw in the new fans from silverstone and it raises the air cooling bar that much higher :D :cool:

That said, water cooling is not easy in this case. If it had a bit more room for rads and such I'd consider it myself. I'm not sure which way I'll be going for cooling. If I choose 100% air this case will be at the top of my list. If water I'd likely go with one of corsair's cases.
 
Lol, 23 full pages before a real FT02 actually shows up in the thread, and another 8 pages of waiting because people would not buy if it's not from newegg...
Shows how much expectation there was for this case. There is even the unavoidable car comparison on page 47. Thanks for the fantastic setup / mod pictures everybody.

I love the 90° rotated motherboard and bottom fans intake, I think this is genius and a great step forward for computer case design.
I was really tempted to get the FT02, but from this thread, other customer reviews, and my own feelings, it has quite a few drawbacks:

1) The look: The case is well built, but it's still a plain dull box with a huge flaming logo, nothing like a "fortress" should look like. No reason why it can't be sleek yet massive and discrete. I don't really care about aluminum vs. steel or unibody design that's invisible under coating, compared to usability, rigidity and design, etc.

2) The cooling: Awesome, except for the drive bays: There is no ventilation unless you limit yourself to 3 drives. A bay with only 4 drives and interspace would have allowed a better cooling pathway.

3) The dimensions: Almost everybody complains about that.
- The case should be a full 1" taller, so you don't have to hack your chassis removing the fan grille for long GPUs, and you can fit a grille on the third fan too.
- The case should be at least 1" longer, so you can use 5¼" optical drives of any length even with SLI graphic cards;
- The backplate space should be ½" wider for cable management. Actually, it should ship with all kinds of mini-sleeve clips that you can just pop into the backplate's holes, to help customers find the best flat pathway for their cables. Maybe even preset SATA hidden cables, so you just have to connect at one end a short cable to the PSU, and at the other end, the SATA cable to the drive.

4) Usability:
- The case is heavy, it should have heavy duty handles on the top front and rear to prevent case warping caused by the lack of handles. Pre-drilled holes for optional wheels would be great too.
- The top power and reset buttons are too easy to hit, they should be recessed, of better quality, look like Bulgin's, and not mounted horizontally on top. Maybe LED-illuminated at the center for better integrated look to avoid the 2 cut-through holes for the rectangular power and disk activity LEDs.
- The USB/audio trap is of limited use, there should be a built-in multi-card reader instead, with 4 USB 2.0/3.0 connectors. I'd rather have cable pass-through 2 holes on the sides under the trap so we can close it while using the device.

5) The design:
- Too much cheap and flimsy plastic around the drive bays and fans, and the drive bays should have SATA connectors, not MOLEX!!!
- The case should have a second SSD disk side location.
- It's ridiculous that the case can't support E-ATX 8 slots, it has 7 already. Come on, add an extra inch or so to the length and get done with it!
- The backplate hole does not fit all motherboards, it should be bigger to allow access to the heatsink mounting bracket.

6) Modularity and add-ons: Silverstone does not care as much about modders as Lian-Li:
- There should be a whole range of matching color Fortress-compatible products: 3½" drive external hot-swappable disks for 5¼" drive bays, bezels/stealth plates (especially for the silver case). Maybe other cases of the exact same size and color for purposes other than gaming, like one with only hard disk bays and fans for storage, one with locations for motherboard, hard disk bays and fans for file serving, etc.
- An option to ditch 3 of the 5¼" external bays for more internal 3½" bays would be welcome, I'd love 2 storage bays of 4 drives each. Probably require a taller chassis, 1 or 2 bays higher to make up for the loss, but that would actually be great, the Fortress should be a full tower.
- Maybe more toggle switch locations near the fan switches for mod add-ons (neon lights, etc.)
This would create a whole economy around the cases, Silverstone would benefit financially as well, and it would also fidelize more customers to the brand. Just saying...

This is no specs for the FT03, by the way, more like my vision of the perfect Fortress case and some stupid ideas I'm playing with (my latest mad dream is a 5¼" storage bay with front LCD panel and motorized tray, like in a CD player mechanism.)
 
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1) The look: The case is well built, but it's still a plain dull box with a huge flaming logo, nothing like a "fortress" should look like. No reason why it can't be sleek yet massive and discrete. I don't really care about aluminum vs. steel or unibody design that's invisible under coating, compared to usability, rigidity and design, etc.

It looks much better in real life.

2) The cooling: Awesome, except for the drive bays: There is no ventilation unless you limit yourself to 3 drives. A bay with only 4 drives and interspace would have allowed a better cooling pathway.

you mean the hard drive rack? It cools the hard drives fine. It might not be the be the best case for hdd cooling, but in no way will your hods overheat in the case. It is not even worth complaining about.

3) The dimensions: Almost everybody complains about that.
- The case should be a full 1" taller, so you don't have to hack your chassis removing the fan grille for long GPUs, and you can fit a grille on the third fan too.
- The case should be at least 1" longer, so you can use 5¼" optical drives of any length even with SLI graphic cards;

I agree on the length, but to silverstones credit when it comes to how tall it is, they did not know the 5970 would be so long till it was too late, but yes-doesn't change the fact it should be taller.

- The backplate space should be ½" wider for cable management. Actually, it should ship with all kinds of mini-sleeve clips that you can just pop into the backplate's holes, to help customers find the best flat pathway for their cables. Maybe even preset SATA hidden cables, so you just have to connect at one end a short cable to the PSU, and at the other end, the SATA cable to the drive.

I'm confused. You wanna connect sata cables to the PSU? What?

4) Usability:
- The case is heavy, it should have heavy duty handles on the top front and rear to prevent case warping caused by the lack of handles. Pre-drilled holes for optional wheels would be great too.

Handles look hideous. Picking up the case isn't going to cause it to warp...lol.

- The top power and reset buttons are too easy to hit, they should be recessed, of better quality, look like Bulgin's, and not mounted horizontally on top. Maybe LED-illuminated at the center for better integrated look to avoid the 2 cut-through holes for the rectangular power and disk activity LEDs.

They're too easy to hit? Dude the front panel is not a keyboard for typing. Your hands will only be three when you wanna turn on or reset your pc anyway. This is dumb nitpicking.

- The USB/audio trap is of limited use, there should be a built-in multi-card reader instead, with 4 USB 2.0/3.0 connectors. I'd rather have cable pass-through 2 holes on the sides under the trap so we can close it while using the device.

Ft02 came out before the USB 3.0 craze on cases, but It will eventually be updated with 3.0 I would imagine.

5) The design:
- Too much cheap and flimsy plastic around the drive bays and fans, and the drive bays should have SATA connectors, not MOLEX!!!
- The case should have a second SSD disk side location.
- It's ridiculous that the case can't support E-ATX 8 slots, it has 7 already. Come on, add an extra inch or so to the length and get done with it!
- The backplate hole does not fit all motherboards, it should be bigger to allow access to the heatsink mounting bracket.

the hdd rack system is actually made of high quality nylon and not plastic. But otherwise I agree with everything else you said.

6) Modularity and add-ons: Silverstone does not care as much about modders as Lian-Li:
- There should be a whole range of matching color Fortress-compatible products: 3½" drive external hot-swappable disks for 5¼" drive bays, bezels/stealth plates (especially for the silver case). Maybe other cases of the exact same size and color for purposes other than gaming, like one with only hard disk bays and fans for storage, one with locations for motherboard, hard disk bays and fans for file serving, etc.
- An option to ditch 3 of the 5¼" external bays for more internal 3½" bays would be welcome, I'd love 2 storage bays of 4 drives each. Probably require a taller chassis, 1 or 2 bays higher to make up for the loss, but that would actually be great, the Fortress should be a full tower.
- Maybe more toggle switch locations near the fan switches for mod add-ons (neon lights, etc.)
This would create a whole economy around the cases, Silverstone would benefit financially as well, and it would also fidelize more customers to the brand. Just saying...

Yeah I agree with the lack of add-ons. I tried convincing Tony (silverstone rep) about stealth covers for optical bay drives for the upcoming tj11, but he then said the tj11 won't be coming in silver so it won't be necessary. I then told him to do it for the black cases too because ugly plastic drives look hideous next to aluminum. He didn't reply to my pm yet, but I get the feeling he doesn't really care, even though this feature has always been widely requested by people to silverstone. I would hate buying a $500 dollar tj11 case and having it'd high-end looks ruined by a black plastic drive that sticks out like a sore thumb next to all the aluminum.
 
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Omerta, this is mostly a summary of what other people said could be improved about the FT02 in this thread and in newegg/amazon consumer reviews, and most has been discussed at length already, I added very little myself. I thought this could also be useful to the FT03 team or Tony, since the thread is gigantic.

It looks much better in real life.
Yeah people said that already, but some case owners also said it looked bland, and I tend to agree, it's still a big black featureless box in real life or not. Totally subjective opinion, of course.

I agree on the length, but to silverstones credit when it comes to how tall it is, they did not know the 5970 would be so long till it was too late
Oh sure, Silverstone and all other case manufacturers must have been pissed off when AMD lamely argued that ATX specs require support for 13.3" cards...

I'm confused. You wanna connect sata cables to the PSU? What?
Sorry if it was confusing, I do mean the SATA (power) cables that are normally connected to the PSU: Every single customer needs to lay out the SATA power cables in the exact same manner between the PSU and the SATA drives, so it could save lots of time if these were precabled or if the optimal pathways were marked on the case. Whatever helps.

Handles look hideous. Picking up the case isn't going to cause it to warp...lol.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember Tony mentioning something about stuff not fitting anymore after customers held the case in an incorrect way and warped it. I think it was even in some FT02 FAQ unless I dreamed it up. I read the whole thread quickly over the week-end, thanks to rainy Seattle, so I might have mixed it up with something else.
Handles can look fantastic too, it's all a matter of design and again, subjective perception, and they don't even have to be visible. Tons of options for the designers.
 
Omerta, this is mostly a summary of what other people said could be improved about the FT02 in this thread and in newegg/amazon consumer reviews, and most has been discussed at length already, I added very little myself. I thought this could also be useful to the FT03 team or Tony, since the thread is gigantic.

Man, did you see the FT03? They're turning the fortress series into some mini case thing. Take a look:
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Looks like a garbage can. Tony seemed proud of it in the video though, lol.
 
I already have the prototype in my bathroom, great to hide the dirty laundry too.
My visitors are too much taken by the toilet paper distributor slot in the front to notice the camera in the star-shaped thing that films them.
;)
 
The FT02 doesn't need handles. I pick mine up by placing one hand underneath the front and the other through the cable routing hole in the back (turning it into a handle). The unibody frame is more than sturdy enough to be used as a handle in the back.
 
;) This
The FT02 doesn't need handles. I pick mine up by placing one hand underneath the front and the other through the cable routing hole in the back (turning it into a handle). The unibody frame is more than sturdy enough to be used as a handle in the back.


I have had my FT02 now for around six weeks or so, first case upgrade in over five years if not more. Yes I was hesitant at first putting so much coin towards a case, but I trusted the opinons of members like WorldExclusive, FaRKle0079, and others whom have posted in this thread of their likes/dislikes etc. Once I received this case and seen it in person I was very pleased, it is as everyone says.. better looking in person and the cooling was a huge improvement for me as I came from an old CM wave with only a few 80mm fans (vacum cleaner with crud cooling). I have no complaints about it other than they could have given a bit more space between the mobo tray and left side panel, other than that I have no gripes with it. It is pretty awesome :D
 
I was reading this thread for a few weeks while i drooled over the prospect of a new build with this case, which I just put together about a week ago. So far I'm absolutely loving the case despite the few shortcomings that others have mentioned.

I have a friend who was almost as excited as I was for the new build, and as an unannounced gift, he had a pair of 120mm blue led fans to replace the stock fans on my Noctua NH-D14.

I'm leaning towards having him RMA them and buying a pair of Gelid fans with PWM to use instead, but they're rather pricy for fans.

The intent would be to reduce fan noise, but it would be a nice surprise if the cooling effectiveness increased as well. Does anyone have any experience with these fans?

I may also consider replacing the top fan if I see the numbers to justify it..
 
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I have a friend who was almost as excited as I was for the new build, and as an unannounced gift, he had a pair of 120mm blue led fans to replace the stock fans on my Noctua NH-D14.

I'm leaning towards having him RMA them and buying a pair of Gelid fans with PWM to use instead, but they're rather pricy for fans.

The intent would be to reduce fan noise, but it would be a nice surprise if the cooling effectiveness increased as well. Does anyone have any experience with these fans?

I may also consider replacing the top fan if I see the numbers to justify it..

I use two of those Gelid fans on my H50 and they cool better than my Gentle Tyhpoon AP-15's did, though I can't speak on their performance as a case fan. They costs as much as they do, because they're PWM fans and if you look around, you can find them cheaper than Newegg has them priced for.
 
I have a friend who was almost as excited as I was for the new build, and as an unannounced gift, he had a pair of 120mm blue led fans to replace the stock fans on my Noctua NH-D14.

I'm leaning towards having him RMA them and buying a pair of Gelid fans with PWM to use instead, but they're rather pricy for fans.

I wouldn't use CM R4's on a D14 in the FT02 since they're sleeve bearing and would be oriented horizontally. As for the Gelid fans, I can't say I've had any experience with them, although if you're looking for variable CPU fan speeds your motherboard should support that on its own.
 
I just finished installing my water cooling system in my FT02. I ran into a lot of problems along the way but here it is:

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I had to change the way the radiator mounted slightly since I had to push it towards the outside of the case. When I used the stock mounting holes it put the radiator too close to the motherboard. This caused the ATX 24-pin connector to get in the way and I couldn't use fans more than 25mm in thickness since it would hit the RAM. To fix this I drilled some new holes in the mounting brackets and used a 1/4" piece of wood as a connecting rod to the other side of the radiator. WIthout it, the radiator could pivot on the brackets since only one side would be screwed down. Here are some pics of my connecting rod.

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currently in the process of building my own pc, just a quick question on case preference.

For the best stock air cooled case out of the box with no mods (as im a virgin to building pc's) to cool msi cyclone 1gb gtx460 sli would you recommend the ft02 over the haf x?

Is it possible to add extra fans to the case like the haf x?
 
Out of the box the FT02 is arguabley the best air cooled case. When I was in the market for a new case the HAF X was just about to be released and I was planning on purchasing it, but was a little weary of the $199 MSRP for a case from Cooler Master that wasn't even aluminum and leaves you having to add extra top fans instead of including them. Upon doing further research I found this thread here for the FT02 and did a lot of reading of people opinons and experiences with the case and found it to be more of what I was looking for in a solid case that will last me another five years like my previous case. Also this Silverstone has a very sleek look to it vs. the industrial looking CM, not bashing as I kind of liked the industrial look at first but knew it would get gaudy quickly on my desk. I believe the HAF X is larger, has nine expansion slots vs seven and the has the new USB 3.0 compatibility. If the HAF X was in a cheaper price point it might be an easier sell.

There is no need to add extra fans to the FT02, and from users experience there is no added value by doing so as you can only attempt adding more exhaust (not recommended as this case is designed to use positive pressure). Depending if you can stomach the limited edition (red painted internals) case or not the only beneficial cooling to be had is to purchase the new AP181 fans and swap them for the bottom three 180mm intake fans (red edition comes with these newer model fans).

I'm sure more people will weigh in on thoughts for you, but asking this question in this thread I assume most people will agree FT02 ~ FTW ;)
 
After using my FT02 for 4-5 months, I scored an FT01 at Microcenter (open box) for $56. No kidding.

Anyway, while the FT02 definitely holds the advantages of cooling and external cable management, I really like the FT01's aesthetics. I really wish Silverstone had used less steel on the FT02, and added some more brushed-textured surfaces (like the side panels).

So, the FT02 is up in the attic for now. I'll find a use for it some day, but in the mean time, I've "down-graded" to the FT01. :)
 
really big lot of stuff so i started my own thread regaurding the red or black interior thanks
 
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I wouldn't worry about your motherboard not matching the case. From your pics, the v8 covers up most of the blue anyways. With the amount of red you're putting in there the blue most likely won't catch the eye.
 
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