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Awesome, be sure to do both CPU and GPU max load temp tests using the stock 180mm fans and the new AP181's.
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Oh I will.

Going to do idle and load for CPU and GPU using OCCT linpack test and Furmark. I'm also going to do CPU + GPU load at the same time. Fan configs will be stock FN-181s and AP181s on both high and low settings.
 
and I am finally done... yay

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FaRKle0079 said:
Oh I will.

Going to do idle and load for CPU and GPU using OCCT linpack test and Furmark. I'm also going to do CPU + GPU load at the same time. Fan configs will be stock FN-181s and AP181s on both high and low settings.
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Also, let us know your testing configuration and your GPU/CPU HSF setup. People use all types of cooling which can affect the effects of the case fans.
 
I ordered a couple of the new Silverstone AP121 UV blue air penetrator fans to try out on my Thermalright Venomous X. I'm going to see if they offer any better performance over say a couple of 1850rpm Gentle Typhoons. They're only 1500rpm and rated at 35.36 CFM so I'm not too optimistic but on the bright side they're suppose to be very quiet.
 
So I've finished running all my tests for the AP181s. Full write-up and pics will come tomorrow. As a small preview: if you have a GTX480 or run a multi-gpu setup, you're going to want these.
 
orly... this should be interesting.................

Though probably not until the price drops....
 
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So I've finished running all my tests for the AP181s. Full write-up and pics will come tomorrow. As a small preview: if you have a GTX480 or run a multi-gpu setup, you're going to want these.
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Hope tyou tested both fans on High and Low, although for the life of me I have never seen the stock fans do anything except increase noise on High.
 
Do you know how to do to attach the SS clear-cmos device, sepparately sold? FT02 has a metal cap on it, theres no way to easy remove...
 
Do you know how to do to attach the SS clear-cmos device, sepparately sold? FT02 has a metal cap on it, theres no way to easy remove...
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Looks like how you'd remove those metal pieces behind 5.25" bays. Push one side in with a screwdriver and twist till it breaks. Then again, you can always use a dremel.
 
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Looks like how you'd remove those metal pieces behind 5.25" bays. Push one side in with a screwdriver and twist till it breaks. Then again, you can always use a dremel.
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What pieces?? dont tell me I have to do anything in order to place a device on 5.25" bays. I still didnt put anything, But I supossed I should only have to remove front plates... is there any need for cutting or hard work to remove anything else for 5.25" bays??
 
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What pieces?? dont tell me I have to do anything in order to place a device on 5.25" bays. I still didnt put anything, But I supossed I should only have to remove front plates... is there any need for cutting or hard work to remove anything else for 5.25" bays??
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Sorry, I should've been more clear. On MOST cheap cases there's a metal tabe behind the plastic 5.25" bay covers that requires removal before installing drives. The FT02 does not have these.

Now the clear-cmos device goes in the slot for it on top. See pg. 32 of your FT02 manual to get a better idea. Where you're supposed to put the switch there's a metal plate there you need to punch out (it's pre-perforated).
 
OK thans for clear it up.

More; thinking on improving performance, I thought on replacing 180mm stock fans for better alternatives. I've found these 172mm,

- Long Life Fan San Ace 172L, by SANYO DENKI
- SERVO D1751S Tube Axials, by Nidec

Would it be any way to replace stock fans for any of these ones, with any kind of adapter or something? I bet they would kill the stock ones on performance airflow/noise ratio.
 
More; thinking on improving performance, I thought on replacing 180mm stock fans for better alternatives. I've found these 172mm,

- Long Life Fan San Ace 172L, by SANYO DENKI
- SERVO D1751S Tube Axials, by Nidec

Would it be any way to replace stock fans for any of these ones, with any kind of adapter or something? I bet they would kill the stock ones on performance airflow/noise ratio.
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Have you seen my Silverstone AP181 fan review?

Those 172mm fans perform very close to the AP181 it seems. One big difference is that those are 51mm thick fans, while the FN-181 and AP181 are only 32mm thick.

Comparing the numbers:
-San Ace 172L: 148cfm, 36dBA, 2000rpm
-Nidec D175S: 148cfm, 36dBA, 2000rpm
-AP181L 130cfm, 34dBA, 1200rpm

They're all roughly the same. Based on my tests, I didn't see a HUGE improvement going from 700rpm to 1200rpm with the AP181, so I doubt those 172mm fans would make much difference over the AP181. The other thing to consider is that the AP181 has the counter-spun grill built into it so you know it will direct air where it needs to go.
 
Well, I trust waaaaaaay much more SanAce and Nidec specs than silverstone. For the same values on their sheet, sorry but i take Nidecs/sanyodenki; no brainer.

The problem is if theres possible to adapt 172mm on the case.
 
FaRKle0079 said:
Have you seen my Silverstone AP181 fan review?

Those 172mm fans perform very close to the AP181 it seems. One big difference is that those are 51mm thick fans, while the FN-181 and AP181 are only 32mm thick.

Comparing the numbers:
-San Ace 172L: 148cfm, 36dBA, 2000rpm
-Nidec D175S: 148cfm, 36dBA, 2000rpm
-AP181L 130cfm, 34dBA, 1200rpm

They're all roughly the same. Based on my tests, I didn't see a HUGE improvement going from 700rpm to 1200rpm with the AP181, so I doubt those 172mm fans would make much difference over the AP181. The other thing to consider is that the AP181 has the counter-spun grill built into it so you know it will direct air where it needs to go.
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I'm guessing you dont have the APA-121 to test as a CPU HSF?

Also can anyone suggest a good 5.25" Silver fan controller for this case (Preferably w/ a memory card reader)? It'd be nice to control the fans up front rather than remove the top every time.
 
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Well, I trust waaaaaaay much more SanAce and Nidec specs than silverstone.
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Silverstone fans OEM = Globefan.

I'm guessing you dont have the APA-121 to test as a CPU HSF?
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Nope, sorry. I would've reviewed them if I did. I don't really have any urge to buy some for testing right now.

Also can anyone suggest a good 5.25" Silver fan controller for this case (Preferably w/ a memory card reader)? It'd be nice to control the fans up front rather than remove the top every time.
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I haven't see too many quality card reader/fan controller units. For just fan controllers though I love my Lamptron FC5. It comes in silver too. If you want to save $5 you can get the cheaper FC6
 
baco80 said:
Well, I trust waaaaaaay much more SanAce and Nidec specs than silverstone. For the same values on their sheet, sorry but i take Nidecs/sanyodenki; no brainer.

The problem is if theres possible to adapt 172mm on the case.
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I would highly recommend against using these 172mm fans for any type of home PC applications. They are made for industrial/commercial applications and the dBA specs cannot accurately convey how they sound in real life. We have a video of a 172mm x 51mm fan ramping up from idle to 3500rpm here:

http://silverstone-usa.com/download/tech_vids/172mm_fan.avi

You can tell even at lower rpm, the noise characteristic is higher pitched, which sounds subjectively more noisy.

We actually contemplated using one of these fans last year during development, but they offered very little to no performance gain in our case testing (this is before we had the AP181) for the noise generated. The much bigger center hub created too much dead spot for the airflow to be effective as an intake fan for the RV02/FT02. Please have a look at our article here as well:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/tech/wh10_0061.php?area=

It's a bit like a summary of the R&D we have done over the years on case airflow design that lead to the creation of AP181 and helps to explain why CFM rating should not be considered as a priority when looking for an intake fan.

So for us, there is no point overstating the CFM numbers. The AP181 specifications are totally legit!
 
Tony Ou, sorry but the 172mm series ar too large. The one on the video, doesnt seem to be the 2000rpm one and the quietest exactly.
 
I just realized something. You might not even be able to fit one of those 172mm fans in the FT/RV02. Since they're 51mm tall you obviously can't fit one under the HDD cage. Also the fan right under the CPU cooler has a little ledge where the motherboard tray comes out which will block the fan there as well. The only easy place to put one would be in the center fan position. By doing this though, you'd be losing some of the gap that lets you route cables.

Would you recommend that over the Scythe Kaze Master?
http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/ac...01_detail.html
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When I was looking around at fan controllers I was seriously contemplating the Kaze Master. Unfortunately there were too many reports of it failing for me to feel comfortable buying it.
 
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^^Geezus, after watching that video from the link Tony provided, why the hell would anyone still consider wanting to use those 172mmx51mm fans in your case? It would probably blow the top cover off the case and deafen you in the process.
 
^^Geezus, after watching that video from the link Tony provided, why the hell would anyone still consider wanting to use those 172mmx51mm fans in your case? It would probably blow the top cover off the case and deafen you in the process.
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When I turned the AP181 fans on high in my case they were able to lift a piece of printer paper 10"-12" off of the top of the case.
 
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When I turned the AP181 fans on high in my case they were able to lift a piece of printer paper 10"-12" off of the top of the case.
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That's not hard to believe - but I assure you that they didn't sound like the hurricane shown in the video link. How the heck can anyone consider having that kind of noise in their case x3?
 
(Reposting what I said the other day in oc/cooling)
Do you really need that kind of airflow? :confused:
Run without the side panel. Run caseless/test bench.

Other than heatsinks/rads I don't see a reason to have fans with ridiculous CFM especially when it's a case fan (whether intake or exhaust). That's just my $0.02 cents though :eek:
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Seriously...
Ok I see a potential reason to upgrade to AP181's. Why anyone would go beyond that, I don't understand. :confused: There is a such thing as too much airflow when it's in dead space and not going through fins on a heatsink or rad...:rolleyes:
 
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Ok I see a potential reason to upgrade to AP181's. Why anyone would go beyond that, I don't understand. There is a such thing as too much airflow when it's in dead space and not going through fins on a heatsink or rad...
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+1. And like I said earlier, even the returns of just going from "low" to "high" on the AP181 are too diminished to justfy the extra noise.
 
Haha thank you mr silverstone that video was amusing. Sounded like a go kart :D

happily I've already convinced one more person to jump on the FT02 Bandwagon......... It's really tough though convincing people to spend so much on a case when people seem content to get the $30 AR ones
 
yenniedn said:
^^Geezus, after watching that video from the link Tony provided, why the hell would anyone still consider wanting to use those 172mmx51mm fans in your case? It would probably blow the top cover off the case and deafen you in the process.
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Haha thank you mr silverstone that video was amusing. Sounded like a go kart :D
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Holy shit... but dont you realize, the fan on that video is one with the most rpms between all models available; there even is one of them rated for 6800rpm !!!!!!!!.

I was talking for the model, in that 172mm series, of 2000rpm. So that video tell me nothing. Im still thinking how good would perform a nidec/sanyodenki 172mm fan, but the 2000rpm spec. model.
 
baco80 said:
Holy shit... but dont you realize, the fan on that video is one with the most rpms between all models available; there even is one of them rated for 6800rpm !!!!!!!!.

I was talking for the model, in that 172mm series, of 2000rpm. So that video tell me nothing. Im still thinking how good would perform a nidec/sanyodenki 172mm fan, but the 2000rpm spec. model.
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Holy shit!!! How the hell are you going to fit across the bottom of your FT02 when it's 51mm???
 
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Hmm the northbridge on my 58X-UDR3 is about 57 deg C. Seems a bit hot?
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Yeah my ud5 NB runs hot too. Seems in the discussion for the ud3, that most without direct air flow to NB seem to run hot. Seems tower coolers have their flaws.
 
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Yeah my ud5 NB runs hot too. Seems in the discussion for the ud3, that most without direct air flow to NB seem to run hot. Seems tower coolers have their flaws.
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If you've got your graphics card installed in the first slot try moving it down to the next x16 slot below it to put more space between it and your CPU and NB. This will allow more airflow in that area and you won't have the heat coming off your graphics card contributing to your NB temps as much.
 
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Yeah my ud5 NB runs hot too. Seems in the discussion for the ud3, that most without direct air flow to NB seem to run hot. Seems tower coolers have their flaws.
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ow, I was hoping this case's airflow would help remedy that.
Well CPU load didn't seem to affect temps so hopefully it should remain steady.
 
Scoobth said:
Awsome looking setup in that pic, but again the problem with the SLI setup is that the cards are too close together, no air can get into the air intake of the rear most card.

I wish I had the spare cash to get some hardware like that :)



How do you get the light to stay on at the front of the case when theres no power supply :D
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The Hot Setup I Have Seen So Far!!! In This Forum!....That Blue/Black is the theme!....can i see more pic of that?
 
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