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Resolution difference between nVidia & ATI cards.

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Saxbytes

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Hey guys, I'm stumped on this and I need a 2nd, 3rd & 4th or more opinion.

My friend's old rig is custom build with an nVidia GeForce 4 MX440; he used a 21" CRT on it. He purchased a new HP Media Center m7470n PC with an ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 and an ACER AL2416W 24" widescreen LCD.

His old PC with new monitor, which he purchased before the new PC, works best for him at 1280x960 resolution. When he tries to choose this on the new PC, the ATI card doesn't have this resolution. He does digital photography for a living and has specific needs, so this can be a major purchasing-decision for him.

To my long-winded question, does anyone know WHY this ATI card won't give him this specific resolution? This HP has a ATI chipset, so I can't use an nVidia card. I'd love to go buy him a nice, pretty 7800GTX, but I can't.

Any ideas or suggestions?? Again, I'd prefer not to trade in the new rig, but the option is NOT out of the question.

Thanks so much in advance,
 
nVidia card's will work with a ATi board and vice-versa. Just make sure to disable the onboard graphics.

p.s. Make sure the HP PSU can handle a 7800GTX.
 
This HP has a ATI chipset, so I can't use an nVidia card. I'd love to go buy him a nice, pretty 7800GTX, but I can't.
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that it definetly can, and i thought the XX00 line up from ATi's supported all wide screen resolutions?
 
ReDgUaRd008 said:
nVidia card's will work with a ATi board and vice-versa. Just make sure to disable the onboard graphics.

p.s. Make sure the HP PSU can handle a 7800GTX.
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I love the smell of nVidia trolls in the morning...
 
Seriously though, which ATI drivers are you using? Also, did you install the .inf file for the monitor?

I see (by default anyway) there is no DVI port on that PC, which renders it almost useless for editing digital pictures. A pure digital connection will provide much better picture quality, adding an inexpensive X300 or X1300 card would make your friend very happy.
 
He can create custom resolutions.. he needs to use the CCC (Catalyst Control Center) and not the Control Panel.

And he called the guy above a Troll for trying to sell him an nVIDIA card when the problem is mearly user related (no offense mean't to anyone).

Here's the CCC on my x1800XT rig I'm currently on.
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Just un tick the "Use Extended Display Identification......" option.
 
BlackTigers91 said:
Read the OP, please.

The guy stated that he wanted to get a 7800GTX.
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I did read it... he wants to buy him a 7800GTX because he thinks he cannot use the ATi Xpress GPU (or any ATi card) to power the resolution he's seeking... which is not true. Also the resolution he's seeking is not the native resolution his LCD screen supports.

It's actually not even the native resolution of most 17" LCD (which is 1280x1024) in other words it won't look so hot.. especially not on an LCD.

But anyways... the picture above shows you how to enable the said resolution. I'd use a refresh rate of 60-70HZ for the LCD.
 
BlackTigers91 said:
Actually, it says he WANTS an nVidia card, and can't get one...
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Man you guys really are trolls.. this is the questions..

His old PC with new monitor, which he purchased before the new PC, works best for him at 1280x960 resolution. When he tries to choose this on the new PC, the ATI card doesn't have this resolution. He does digital photography for a living and has specific needs, so this can be a major purchasing-decision for him.

To my long-winded question, does anyone know WHY this ATI card won't give him this specific resolution?
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The resulting question about the board not supporting a 7800GTX is because he thinks he can't get the resolution he wants (1280x960) I mean read the title of the thread...

Resolution difference between nVidia & ATI cards.
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He wants to get the machine running 1280x960 and thinks only nVIDIA cards can do so since his friend used to have an nVIDIA card and that resolution. But then as a secondary question he thinks the boards cannot use an nVIDIA card.

Answer his first question and it costs his friend less money instead of trying to sell him something he doesn't need.
 
BlackTigers91 said:
Actually, it says he WANTS an nVidia card, and can't get one...
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IMO i thought it said that he wants a nVidia card but can't use it because of the ATi onboard graphics chip and northbridge. But when he found out that you can use a nVidia card in a ATi mobo he can get that 7800GTX. And most OEM come with 250-350w PSU not able to handle a high-end card.
 
To my long-winded question, does anyone know WHY this ATI card won't give him this specific resolution? This HP has a ATI chipset, so I can't use an nVidia card. I'd love to go buy him a nice, pretty 7800GTX, but I can't.
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selective reading for the loss?

But I'm sorry that ElMoIsEviL wont have anything to do with anything besides ATi.
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why bash the guy who gave the solution ?? not to mention he didn't say anything negative about Nvidia?
 
He only made the comment about the nVIDIA card out of frustration believing the ATI card could not support the 1280x960 resolution.

I posted him a screenshot on how to enable it.. end of discussion ;)

His friends isn't playing games... he's into photography... I don't see what a 7800GTX can help him with there.
 
BlackTigers91 said:
You can use the Radeon xPress chipset. Just a little CC tweaking...

But I'm sorry that ElMoIsEviL wont have anything to do with anything besides ATi.
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No I just don't like it when people try and sell something to someone who doesn't need it. Instead of trying to help the person there first suggestion is for the person to shell out $300USD +.

MY solution costs $0.

BTW.. look at my sig.. nVIDIA and ATi... :p First rig is nVIDIA nFOrce4 and ATi.. second is ATi Xpress200 and nVIDIA.... Ohh the irony.
 
As a final post... if you truly want something to replace the onboard video... that meets your friends specific needs... being..

He does digital photography for a living and has specific needs
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Two companies can offer him cards that meet digital photography standars (2D Sharpness) ATi or Matrox. nVIDIA boards don't offer the same level of sharpness.

This is of course the same advice you'll get from Digital Photography Photophiles (think I made it up..:p) On Digital Photography websites like photobucket's forums for one.
 
With a 24" monitor, I'd use a higher resolution...

Sure scaling is great, but native is better.
 
Wow, what a shit fest. If you can't do it through the driver, use powerstrip. Got an integrated ATi in my laptop doing 1680*1050 with PS. I'll post tommorrow the chipset if it's that important. Just try PS. For normal refresh and res's you can usually even delete the program after it adds the entries to your registry. I didn't have the necessary options without Powerstrip on my lap top, and I use it on my x1900 too. ATi utility seemed to only give me the options it wanted to via combo boxes and what not, even in the custom section just more choices. Maybe there's a way, but forget it. What I was looking at was not good enough for me. Unless there is a second spot to add res's or want to give a quick whirl if you have the section of CCC with your setup.

use powerstrip. It's easier for nv. But it's not hard with PS.
 
Well, seems the flow of the thread got me all miffed up. :) But my preference to powerstrip come from my FW900, so with all the res and Hz changes you end up wanting, I must say the ATi section can be very inadequate. If it doesn't work he has the solution. I couldn't add 1680*1050 to my 24" widescreen CRT with it. Sure the driver is the way to go, go there first and see what options it will give if him if he has CCC in the first place, but more than 5 minutes fuggering with that thing if it doesn't work is wasted time. Much better to do like NV and just let you put in your own digits. How custom is a combo box or list driven utility? Powerstrip will give that back to you. Works on my Dell laptop without such luxuries in the driver altogether.

It is odd he needs such a common resolution. Unless your sys is totally borked? Go with something that will work better for the widescreen.
 
Saxbytes said:
To my long-winded question, does anyone know WHY this ATI card won't give him this specific resolution?
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Because it is a WIDESCREEN ACER AL2416W 24" LCD monitor, and that is a 4:3 resolution you want to run there. You will not be able to use 4:3 resolutions without severe distortion (or parts of the screen cut off).

If your friend needs a 4:3 resolution, get him a 4:3 LCD.

This HP has a ATI chipset, so I can't use an nVidia card. I'd love to go buy him a nice, pretty 7800GTX, but I can't.
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This is what happens when you listen to idiots for hardware advice. There is NO REASON why you cannot use an Nvidia card on an ATI chipset motherboard. Of course, if the board doesn't have a PCIe 16x slot, it doesn't matter WHAT brand the board is...
 
Oh yeah... not only is 1280x960 not the native resolution of most 17" or 19" LCD's.. his LCD is also widescreen as was posted above.

He should stick to a CRT if 1280x960 is the resolution he's seeking.
 
A 24" Widescreen TFT should have a native res of 1920x1200, and that's what you should use. It is the correct aspect ratio and will show a nice crisp image. 1280x960 will be somewhat blurred due to resampling and everything will be stretched along the horizontal because you're mapping a 4:3 image onto a 16:10 screen. Either that or you'll have a crisp centered image with black space all around it (320 pixels either side, and 120 pixels above and below).
 
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