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Rebel or Rebel XT?
- Thread starter BB Gun
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BB Gun said:
The rebel XT is smaller/lighter. May be good, may be bad...it's too small for me but i'm also use to a much larger camera.
The XT should have better AF
The XT DOES HAVE MUCH BETTER PERFORMANCE in HIGH ISO's!!! this alone is reason enough to buy it in my opinion.
BillLeeLee
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Both support same lenses, no difference there (EF and EF-S lenses).
As [TQ] has said, better preformance at higher ISOs in the XT, thanks to the DigicII chip. Also faster startup time in XT, thanks to DigicII chip.
XT also supports custom functions, which Rebel doesn't have (though with a special firmware, some of these could be unlocked, like mirror lockup).
XT is much faster at writing to flash memory. Rebel seems to top out at around ~1.4 MB/s writing to memory with any memory card. This is important if you shoot a lot of images in RAW in succession.
Reference:
Canon Digital Rebel EOS300D - http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6425
Canon Digital Rebel EOS350D - http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-7699
and these other differences, which I just ripped from DPReview's review:
site: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/
As [TQ] has said, better preformance at higher ISOs in the XT, thanks to the DigicII chip. Also faster startup time in XT, thanks to DigicII chip.
XT also supports custom functions, which Rebel doesn't have (though with a special firmware, some of these could be unlocked, like mirror lockup).
XT is much faster at writing to flash memory. Rebel seems to top out at around ~1.4 MB/s writing to memory with any memory card. This is important if you shoot a lot of images in RAW in succession.
Reference:
Canon Digital Rebel EOS300D - http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-6425
Canon Digital Rebel EOS350D - http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=6007-7699
and these other differences, which I just ripped from DPReview's review:
site: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos350d/
Thanks, guys.
After second guessing my decision and missing out on the Dell deal, I'm gonna get a RebelXT anyway. Looked at the NikonD70 and Olympus E-300, but the consistent great reviews of the high ISO/low light performance of the RebelXT along with its fast startup times and quick response (according to the reviews) convinced me to stay with the RebelXT.
Now, the kit lens seems decent, and I already have a Gigabyte of Compact flash (enough for now, anyway). But am thinking of striking while the iron is hot and getting a second lens - essentially a bigger zoom lense for taking pictures of my kids on the sporting fields.
What is a good lense for soccer fields and volleyball courts?
Thanks,
BB
After second guessing my decision and missing out on the Dell deal, I'm gonna get a RebelXT anyway. Looked at the NikonD70 and Olympus E-300, but the consistent great reviews of the high ISO/low light performance of the RebelXT along with its fast startup times and quick response (according to the reviews) convinced me to stay with the RebelXT.
Now, the kit lens seems decent, and I already have a Gigabyte of Compact flash (enough for now, anyway). But am thinking of striking while the iron is hot and getting a second lens - essentially a bigger zoom lense for taking pictures of my kids on the sporting fields.
What is a good lense for soccer fields and volleyball courts?
Thanks,
BB
Indoors shots need fast glass to freeze motion (unless you're in a college gym, and even then the lighting isn't great). Fast glass generally begins at f/2.8 or a lower f-number. If the f-number is larger than f/2.8 (ie, f/4.0 or f/5.6, etc) you'll pretty much be wasting your time taking indoors spots pictures because you won't be able to freeze motion or have a clean picture.
Many people would like to have the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L for versatility...it's just under $1,700 new, and used is usually around $1,600. Nice and useful lens, but I sure can't afford it and go to college. I doubt you would want one for that price
That said, if you want to do outdoor sports, many people seem to like the 75-300mm f/4.0-f/5.6 zooms. They're much cheaper at perhaps $200. It'll get you in pretty close to the action without breaking the bank. It won't work well indoors though.
Once you find the focal length you want to use indoors though, you can buy a fast prime (no zoom control at all) lens at that length. If you like 50mm, the 50mm f/1.8 II is a steal at $80. If you like 100mm, the 100mm f/2.0 can be had around $350-400. Or if you like 200mm, you can day-dream about the 200mm f/1.8 L which routinely sells for $4000+ used.
Just a few options to consider. Cheers
Many people would like to have the 70-200mm f/2.8 IS L for versatility...it's just under $1,700 new, and used is usually around $1,600. Nice and useful lens, but I sure can't afford it and go to college. I doubt you would want one for that price
That said, if you want to do outdoor sports, many people seem to like the 75-300mm f/4.0-f/5.6 zooms. They're much cheaper at perhaps $200. It'll get you in pretty close to the action without breaking the bank. It won't work well indoors though.
Once you find the focal length you want to use indoors though, you can buy a fast prime (no zoom control at all) lens at that length. If you like 50mm, the 50mm f/1.8 II is a steal at $80. If you like 100mm, the 100mm f/2.0 can be had around $350-400. Or if you like 200mm, you can day-dream about the 200mm f/1.8 L which routinely sells for $4000+ used.
Just a few options to consider. Cheers
Thanks for the lesson on lenses Tim.
Sounds like this is going to be way a more expensive hobby than computers!!!!!
So, decent f-4-ish or "worse" lens for outdoor sports, but a fast piece of glass for the indoor volleyball and basketball.
Glad I asked!
BB
Sounds like this is going to be way a more expensive hobby than computers!!!!!
So, decent f-4-ish or "worse" lens for outdoor sports, but a fast piece of glass for the indoor volleyball and basketball.
Glad I asked!
BB
I hope so!
Think I'm gonna get the 17-85 USM IS for my basic walkabout lense.
Will get a bigger zoom once I get home from Spain. Will be back in the states for a week so I can bring it back here.
Thought about the 28-135mm USM IS, but am worried that there's not enough wide in the wide angle end of it.
BB
Think I'm gonna get the 17-85 USM IS for my basic walkabout lense.
Will get a bigger zoom once I get home from Spain. Will be back in the states for a week so I can bring it back here.
Thought about the 28-135mm USM IS, but am worried that there's not enough wide in the wide angle end of it.
BB
I have the 17-85, it's a pretty nice outdoor lens but it's tougher to use indoors unless you also have a flash. The IS will make up for the lack of a tripod and will let you hand hold for maybe 1/15th of a second, but if your subject is moving quickly it won't help to freeze the action.
michaelkahl
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I held the XT at wal-mart and it is small...if u can live w/ that then you'll be good. this seems to be a nice cam...just make sure u stick w/small lenses
Fast glass can be used outdoors. Infact it works very well outdoors. All outdoors means is that there is a lot more light, and that less expensive lenses have a chance at doing a decent job. But the more expensive/faster/longer lenses work better than their cheaper cousins in pretty much any situation.
A 70-200mm f/2.8 zoom lens (Sigma, Nikon, or Canon) would kick the butts of the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 zooms, but would 1) cost more and 2) not go further than 200mm.
One advantage of faster glass is that you can use a faster shutter speed to freeze action better. It also helps the auto-focus system focus on things. And it lets you minimize the Depth-of-Field when shot "wide open" to have less distracting backgrounds. (ie, the background at f/2.8 is more nicely blurred than at f/8) Another advantage is that the viewfinder is brighter with an f/2.8 lens than and f/4-f/5.6 lens. The difference in viewfinder brightness between f/1.8 (my 85mm f/1.8) and f/3.5 (my 18-55 f/3.5-f/5.6) is enormous. One last bonus to a fast lens is that the light-loss penalty with 1.4x convertors isn't too bad. The f/2.8 becomes f/4.0. (2.8 * 1.4 = 4.0) A f/5.6 becomes f/8, and the 350D does not auto-focus with an f/8 lens.
Some cheaper faster glass for indoors sports would be the thrifty fifty and the 85mm f/1.8. But they might be a little bit too "short". To get a fast long lens = more money. There are some affordable fast zooms though. You could pick up a Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 Zoom for about $350. It looks to be well received, but I'm not completely sure how tight the QC is (still should be a decent lens for the money).
One semi-fast lens that is very nice (and more affordable) is the 70-200mm f/4 L. It is a constant f/4, which means you lose no light when you zoom in. It is probably the most affordable L glass at $580. Not as fast as an f/2.8 lens, but a constant f/4 isn't too bad either. Also it earned its L status so it is pretty nice.
You could also find some older 70-210mm f/4 zooms (before Canon decided they could make more money attaching an L to it) on ebay that works with the Rebel for about $150. (make sure they are EOS/EF, and not FD)
That said a 70-300mm would probably cut it for most people's outdoor needs. There are better, but for $200 you can get started in that zoom range and the output is decent. It just doesn't let enough light in to be easily useful for indoor sports. You'll probably find yourself needing ISO 6400 and an external HSS flash to get a 1/400 shutter speed with f/5.6.
Hopefully the read didn't scare you away. Cheers
A 70-200mm f/2.8 zoom lens (Sigma, Nikon, or Canon) would kick the butts of the 70-300mm f/4-5.6 zooms, but would 1) cost more and 2) not go further than 200mm.
One advantage of faster glass is that you can use a faster shutter speed to freeze action better. It also helps the auto-focus system focus on things. And it lets you minimize the Depth-of-Field when shot "wide open" to have less distracting backgrounds. (ie, the background at f/2.8 is more nicely blurred than at f/8) Another advantage is that the viewfinder is brighter with an f/2.8 lens than and f/4-f/5.6 lens. The difference in viewfinder brightness between f/1.8 (my 85mm f/1.8) and f/3.5 (my 18-55 f/3.5-f/5.6) is enormous. One last bonus to a fast lens is that the light-loss penalty with 1.4x convertors isn't too bad. The f/2.8 becomes f/4.0. (2.8 * 1.4 = 4.0) A f/5.6 becomes f/8, and the 350D does not auto-focus with an f/8 lens.
Some cheaper faster glass for indoors sports would be the thrifty fifty and the 85mm f/1.8. But they might be a little bit too "short". To get a fast long lens = more money. There are some affordable fast zooms though. You could pick up a Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 Zoom for about $350. It looks to be well received, but I'm not completely sure how tight the QC is (still should be a decent lens for the money).
One semi-fast lens that is very nice (and more affordable) is the 70-200mm f/4 L. It is a constant f/4, which means you lose no light when you zoom in. It is probably the most affordable L glass at $580. Not as fast as an f/2.8 lens, but a constant f/4 isn't too bad either. Also it earned its L status so it is pretty nice.
You could also find some older 70-210mm f/4 zooms (before Canon decided they could make more money attaching an L to it) on ebay that works with the Rebel for about $150. (make sure they are EOS/EF, and not FD)
That said a 70-300mm would probably cut it for most people's outdoor needs. There are better, but for $200 you can get started in that zoom range and the output is decent. It just doesn't let enough light in to be easily useful for indoor sports. You'll probably find yourself needing ISO 6400 and an external HSS flash to get a 1/400 shutter speed with f/5.6.
Hopefully the read didn't scare you away. Cheers
BB Gun said:
Look for something that's 2.8 or faster if you want to shoot indoors without a flash. A friend of mine has been shooting volleyball games recently and has been using the 85 f/1.8 for single players and a Sigma 20mm f/1.8 for wider shots.
michaelkahl
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If you're getting f2.8 on a telephoto also invest in a "Good Monopod" this was a valuable purchase for myself. It works wonderfully with my180mm f2.8 ED.
OK, realizing I am an SLR newb, I think I have finally figured it out.
Gonna start with the kit lens and the Sigma 24-135 F2.8-F4.5.
This gives me a great range to start and play with while I am here in Spain (picking up these on a home trip for a few days next week), While neither are "top quality" lenses, I am sure that the combination of camera plus lenses are way beyond what I have now. As I get better, I'll upgrade. This will get me started relatively cheaply before I go all out on lenses.
Getting the F1.8 85mm better fixed focus lenses for the volleyball games sounds like a great idea. Plus a 200mm range zoom before soccer season. But those purchases will come in august.
BB
Gonna start with the kit lens and the Sigma 24-135 F2.8-F4.5.
This gives me a great range to start and play with while I am here in Spain (picking up these on a home trip for a few days next week), While neither are "top quality" lenses, I am sure that the combination of camera plus lenses are way beyond what I have now. As I get better, I'll upgrade. This will get me started relatively cheaply before I go all out on lenses.
Getting the F1.8 85mm better fixed focus lenses for the volleyball games sounds like a great idea. Plus a 200mm range zoom before soccer season. But those purchases will come in august.
BB