Rahul Sood: Concerns about Conroe yields

jebo_4jc said:
Tard or not...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because VooDoo makes some of the highest quality OEM PCs available (and they get away with charging an arm and a leg for them). He at least knows something :)
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I doubt that he is an AMD F@n but worse, he is like a used car salesman IMHO. Then add to this that he is no different than Dell in many ways. Not counting his Notebooks, he is an AMD only house. It is in his very best interest to downplay Intel as much as possible. If he doesn't then he gets stuck with a bunch of Overpriced Product. I don’t gamble but I’d bet he’s already slowed purchases of AMD processors. He’s smart, after Conroe ships and does the nasty to AMD’s best and can say, “see, I told you to wait and see!”.

I mean dang, what is he supposed to do? Be honest? Talk about how Conroe is going to kick the crap out of his uber expensive use-to-be-the-best stuff? Dewd, the Israel team carrying Intel on its Back? He's not a Webmaster; he has to sell Overpriced AMD processors at their current price plus a nice markup to make a living. None of these guys impress me I can build my own. He is not even in the same class as GamePC who sells everything to every Fan. They don’t have to play to one side.

So jebo, this guy is NOT speaking as if he has nothing to loose! He talked the same shit during the AthlonXP vs. NorthwoodC days and gushed about the AthlonXP the same way LOL!

Sure he wants to wait and see, he can keep his prices high in the meantime. If investors are listening to him, they’re going to be pissed by Sept. Then they’ll be irate by Christmas ;)

Common sense. An Intel that's having yield problems would NOT move the launch of the Product they're having yield problems with UP. If anything, they'd move it BACK!
 
DemonDiablo said:
no but you do have to be a genius to get people to actually buy them...oh wait...
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I’m still trying to figure out why Dell is vilified for doing the same thing Rahul is respected for.
But honestly, who really thought Dell would quickly sell out of $10,000 PCs?
 
Donnie27 said:
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Common sense. An Intel that's having yield problems would NOT move the launch of the Product they're having yield problems with UP. If anything, they'd move it BACK!
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Excellent point.Merom generation cores were briliantly executed.They were expected to tape out in june 2005 but they did it in may.They were slighty ahead of schedule from the beginning.

Maybe Intel is having less than optimal yields on 3/3.33GHz parts , but the rest should be easily produced in large quantities.

There are 2 types of produced CPU , some that carry the A later in their ID and the later B.First are 2005 produced , limited FSB OC ( ~220 ) while the second are 2006 generation with the FSB limitation gone.I've encountered this in another forum , IIRC.
 
savantu said:
Excellent point.Merom generation cores were briliantly executed.They were expected to tape out in june 2005 but they did it in may.They were slighty ahead of schedule from the beginning.

Maybe Intel is having less than optimal yields on 3/3.33GHz parts , but the rest should be easily produced in large quantities.

There are 2 types of produced CPU , some that carry the A later in their ID and the later B.First are 2005 produced , limited FSB OC ( ~220 ) while the second are 2006 generation with the FSB limitation gone.I've encountered this in another forum , IIRC.
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Yup, I saw info about the A and B as well. As is the case most of the time, the OEM will snap up most of the A's anyway. 3 or 3.3GHz is not what most folks are focused on. If it took those to be the fastest on the market, then it might matter but since 2.66 will be the fastest thing on the market when it launches, that's what truely matters.

Then finally there might be a processor worth $1000, current Intel and AMD processors are NOT worth that much IMHO. Not because of Conroe either, hell, I said that last year. 15% better performance shouldn't mean you have to spend twice as much. If I can get a 2.4GHz Conroe and get a 10 to 20% overclock or maybe just 200 to 400MHz, I'm happy as hell.
 
Donnie27 said:
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Then finally there might be a processor worth $1000, current Intel and AMD processors are NOT worth that much IMHO.
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If Conroe XE ships at 3.33 , which I hope , it will be worth $1000 ;) The performance on stock will be obscene...
 
savantu said:
If Conroe XE ships at 3.33 , which I hope , it will be worth $1000 ;) The performance on stock will be obscene...
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Yes, but the real question is can I get a stock 2.4+-Ghz Conroe up to 3.3Ghz+ with overclocking for a third of the price?
 
chrisf6969 said:
Yes, but the real question is can I get a stock 2.4+-Ghz Conroe up to 3.3Ghz+ with overclocking for a third of the price?
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I think that's the upgrade path holy grail that many of us will be shooting for. I know this has been said 1,000 times already, but it's so funny that the 2.4ghz E6600 might be the 2.4C of this generation.
 
I'm thinking with everyone having dealt with the huge power requirements & heat output of current chips especially the Pentium D & somewhat the X2's. Everyone should have extra PSU power & cooling capacity left over to really push these Conroes to their max easily.
 
chrisf6969 said:
I'm thinking with everyone having dealt with the huge power requirements & heat output of current chips especially the Pentium D & somewhat the X2's. Everyone should have extra PSU power & cooling capacity left over to really push these Conroes to their max easily.
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I'm thinking the exact same thing. I'm having a heck of a time trying to keep the heat off my 3.0c, even with an XP-120. I was considering investing in WC gear, but then I remembered Conroe runs so much cooler, so I'll save my $250 I'd spend on watercooling and use it when the time comes to transition. My XP-120 should provide enough cooling to get a Conroe pretty far.
 
chrisf6969 said:
Yes, but the real question is can I get a stock 2.4+-Ghz Conroe up to 3.3Ghz+ with overclocking for a third of the price?
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Even using stock comparisons the 3.33GHZ Assuming that is what the Extreme Edition will ship at of course still represents terrible value against the 2.4GHZ Conroe E6600.

316US vs 999US

Were talknig a ~ 38% Performance increase assuming linearity, (generous) for a ~ 217% Increase in price.
 
savantu said:
If Conroe XE ships at 3.33 , which I hope , it will be worth $1000 ;) The performance on stock will be obscene...
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It will kick ass and that's why said finally hehehe!
 
chrisf6969 said:
Yes, but the real question is can I get a stock 2.4+-Ghz Conroe up to 3.3Ghz+ with overclocking for a third of the price?
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I honestly don't think they'll overclock that high or at least on this A or B stepping. I'd think there will be a 3rd "C" before folks can talk about 40 and 50% overclocking with the few million Intel will start out with. I don't see them leaving that much headroom in these. It's easy to speed bin before full RAMP-UP. Now I could be wrong as two left shoes.

I actully liked 2.6C better than 2.4C but that's just me.
 
I'm hoping to do 3GHz from a Conroe 2.4GHz using a non-stock heatsink. Anything higher than that is a bonus. But i'm not in a rush since my X2 is fine now.

If Dell has an E&A coupon that works on boxed Conroes i'll get one before the end of the year. :drool: 25% off a $316 E6600.
 
coldpower27 said:
Even using stock comparisons the 3.33GHZ Assuming that is what the Extreme Edition will ship at of course still represents terrible value against the 2.4GHZ Conroe E6600.

316US vs 999US

Were talknig a ~ 38% Performance increase assuming linearity, (generous) for a ~ 217% Increase in price.
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Keep in mind though, Intel is NOT about to sell this or any chip without any headroom and these might have anywhere from 200 to 333MHz more speed left. Last time they went right to the edge, they had to recall 1133MHz. AMD hit a similar snag and Opteron 2.8 that's now being sent back to be re-binned and renamed 2.6GHz. There will be room for overclocking even the Conroe EE's and they should be unlocked. DDR2-800 X 2 with something like a 1600MHz FSB with a lowered multiplier would be sweet! We're only talking about a base speed raise from 333 to 400, not impossible at all.

So if these can do 3.6GHz, you can drop the Multiplier 9 and do 9 X 400 = 3.6GHz. That would seem to be a lot easier than using its normal 10 mp x 400 and trying to get 4GHz that would make the processor worth more like $1200 or $1300 compared to what else is on the market. I've called past EE's a rip off, this is most certainly NOT!

2.4, i965 and 2GB of DDR2 667, not DDR2 800 for me, I'm not interested is trying to push past 2.8GHz unless it is Northwood C easy.
 
pxc said:
I'm hoping to do 3GHz from a Conroe 2.4GHz using a non-stock heatsink. Anything higher than that is a bonus. But i'm not in a rush since my X2 is fine now.

If Dell has an E&A coupon that works on boxed Conroes i'll get one before the end of the year. :drool: 25% off a $316 E6600.
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You may want to check this thread to see how a stepping A1 , early Conroe , OC....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=98919
 
Donnie27 said:
Keep in mind though, Intel is NOT about to sell this or any chip without any headroom and these might have anywhere from 200 to 333MHz more speed left. Last time they went right to the edge, they had to recall 1133MHz. AMD hit a similar snag and Opteron 2.8 that's now being sent back to be re-binned and renamed 2.6GHz. There will be room for overclocking even the Conroe EE's and they should be unlocked. DDR2-800 X 2 with something like a 1600MHz FSB with a lowered multiplier would be sweet! We're only talking about a base speed raise from 333 to 400, not impossible at all.

So if these can do 3.6GHz, you can drop the Multiplier 9 and do 9 X 400 = 3.6GHz. That would seem to be a lot easier than using its normal 10 mp x 400 and trying to get 4GHz that would make the processor worth more like $1200 or $1300 compared to what else is on the market. I've called past EE's a rip off, this is most certainly NOT!

2.4, i965 and 2GB of DDR2 667, not DDR2 800 for me, I'm not interested is trying to push past 2.8GHz unless it is Northwood C easy.
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That's assuming the 2.4GHZ Conroe can't do 600MHZ, which should be reasonable and that it's been to a T and the EE isn't binned to a T.

It's only not a ripoff in comparison to past EE or FX Series processors, it's still a rip off in comparison to the 2.4GHZ Stock Conroe. Even assuming that you can overclock to 3.6GHZ with a 400x9 Multiplier, your looking at 50% performance increase in which this case is reasonable since your running the FSB 50% higher as well. That still doesn't make up the 216% Increase in price.

My comparison hardly changes. It's still a rip off nonetheless, flagship of the fleet is almost always is.
 
coldpower27 said:
That's assuming the 2.4GHZ Conroe can't do 600MHZ, which should be reasonable and that it's been to a T and the EE isn't binned to a T.

It's only not a ripoff in comparison to past EE or FX Series processors, it's still a rip off in comparison to the 2.4GHZ Stock Conroe. Even assuming that you can overclock to 3.6GHZ with a 400x9 Multiplier, your looking at 50% performance increase in which this case is reasonable since your running the FSB 50% higher as well. That still doesn't make up the 216% Increase in price.

My comparison hardly changes. It's still a rip off nonetheless, flagship of the fleet is almost always is.
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I'd bet they are not binned to a T.
 
Donnie27 said:
I honestly don't think they'll overclock that high or at least on this A or B stepping. I'd think there will be a 3rd "C" before folks can talk about 40 and 50% overclocking with the few million Intel will start out with. I don't see them leaving that much headroom in these. It's easy to speed bin before full RAMP-UP. Now I could be wrong as two left shoes.

I actully liked 2.6C better than 2.4C but that's just me.
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You should check coolalers benchies on XS :). The 2.13 Ghz Conroe broke 3.18 Ghz at stock volts. I think the Conroe will overclock pretty well.
 
cupholder2.0 said:
You should check coolalers benchies on XS :). The 2.13 Ghz Conroe broke 3.18 Ghz at stock volts. I think the Conroe will overclock pretty well.
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I did but that's an ES 2.1GHz with 4MB L2 instead of the 2MB L2 the 6400 will ship with. On the other thread, I went with 3.6GHz being the max for the 3.3GHz EE model, NOT the 2.4GHz model, just to be clear here. I'd be happy as hell with 2.8GHz after paying $316 for the E6600 model.
 
cupholder2.0 said:
You should check coolalers benchies on XS :). The 2.13 Ghz Conroe broke 3.18 Ghz at stock volts. I think the Conroe will overclock pretty well.
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I saw... :eek: insanity!
 
Donnie27 said:
I did but that's an ES 2.1GHz with 4MB L2 instead of the 2MB L2 the 6400 will ship with. On the other thread, I went with 3.6GHz being the max for the 3.3GHz EE model, NOT the 2.4GHz model, just to be clear here. I'd be happy as hell with 2.8GHz after paying $316 for the E6600 model.
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QFT. Just because an ES 2.1ghz coupled with an ES motherboard hits 3.0+ doesn't mean retail samples will. However, the fact that it did it on stock volts is very exciting. I'm just hoping to get as close to 3.0 as possible on quiet air cooling with a 6600.
 
jebo_4jc said:
QFT. Just because an ES 2.1ghz coupled with an ES motherboard hits 3.0+ doesn't mean retail samples will. However, the fact that it did it on stock volts is very exciting. I'm just hoping to get as close to 3.0 as possible on quiet air cooling with a 6600.
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You got it! I don't want to drive up the voltage and heat anyway. I want to take advantage of its lower power draw & heat output and have a quiet system as well.
 
jebo_4jc said:
QFT. Just because an ES 2.1ghz coupled with an ES motherboard hits 3.0+ doesn't mean retail samples will. However, the fact that it did it on stock volts is very exciting. I'm just hoping to get as close to 3.0 as possible on quiet air cooling with a 6600.
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Most retail box cpu will do same if not better than ES.
 
To me it would be more logical to see that the Conroe cores gets better on actual retail models as they are built later in the life of the 65nm process and have had a chance to be more refined.
 
jebo_4jc said:
QFT. Just because an ES 2.1ghz coupled with an ES motherboard hits 3.0+ doesn't mean retail samples will. However, the fact that it did it on stock volts is very exciting. I'm just hoping to get as close to 3.0 as possible on quiet air cooling with a 6600.
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The ES CPUs have no advantages over the retail ones. In the past the ES ones had unlocked multipliers but now thats not the case, therefore there no reason to think the ES is a better OCer than the retails...
 
coldpower27 said:
To me it would be more logical to see that the Conroe cores gets better on actual retail models as they are built later in the life of the 65nm process and have had a chance to be more refined.
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QFT
 
coldpower27 said:
To me it would be more logical to see that the Conroe cores gets better on actual retail models as they are built later in the life of the 65nm process and have had a chance to be more refined.
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I've been told hundreds of times that the only difference between retail and OEM is how it is shipped=P Different stepping or Certain Builds/Lots may be better but it has little to do with OEM vs Retail.
 
Donnie27 said:
I've been told hundreds of times that the only difference between retail and OEM is how it is shipped=P Different stepping or Certain Builds/Lots may be better but it has little to do with OEM vs Retail.
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Aaa...we're talking early ES vs. retail , not OEM vs. retail.
 
DemonDiablo said:
i guess you can say im a bit optimistic in this situation with conroe. intel is looking to knock amd the F out and having a late launch isnt going to do them much good.

as for the dx10 card thing...well it just that i dont recall any dx10 games even being announced yet? add to that the fact that its going to be awhile before you get anything other than tech demo games and im just not seeing buying a 300-500 dollar video card untill 2008 being a valid idea. however i can see your point in that if dx10 cards just so happened to be out around the time that you were upgrading why not take a peek.

also im sceptical with how well dx10 cards are going to run dx9 games. dx10 gives way to a 3rd type of shader unit. if ati and nvidia implement this shader onto their cards (not required to be a dx10 card) then that means that they will be using that much fewer vertex and pixel shaders. i dunno, dx10 is one front line i guess you wont be seeing me on anytime soon. gl with that :D
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Flight Simulator X (patched to DX10 shaders) and Crysis are both announced. FSX ships for 'the holidays', no firm date yet. I've seen movies of DX9 gameplay, and possibly (they have not been ID'd yet) screenshots of the DX10 engine.
 
greyt_Autumn said:
Flight Simulator X (patched to DX10 shaders) and Crysis are both announced. FSX ships for 'the holidays', no firm date yet. I've seen movies of DX9 gameplay, and possibly (they have not been ID'd yet) screenshots of the DX10 engine.
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yea i've recently seen a list of dx10 games...not impressed personaly. i mean i guess they got a few games coming out but just but mostly just rehashed games. im also a bit sceptical of "patched games". Farcry SM 3.0 patch anyone? but otherwise if you see a game on the dx10 game list that you think is worth a few hundred dollars for a new OS and a dx10 gpu/vpu then hey whatever floats your boat.
 
Won't Halo 3 also be out by Jan.?

Vista is going to be great for Gamers . If Halo 3 is out in Jan . That game will hold me over for a while. There will also be other games out by than.

Keep in mind NO ONE has to buy Vista. XP pro works great. But I want Vista as do many others. This on going theme of many people debunking of Vista/ Conroe / ATI R600 / HD-DVD / Blu Ray and such is really amusing . NO ONE is forcing anyone to purchase anything.
 
$BangforThe$ said:
Won't Halo 3 also be out by Jan.?

Vista is going to be great for Gamers . If Halo 3 is out in Jan . That game will hold me over for a while. There will also be other games out by than.

Keep in mind NO ONE has to buy Vista. XP pro works great. But I want Vista as do many others. This on going theme of many people debunking of Vista/ Conroe / ATI R600 / HD-DVD / Blu Ray and such is really amusing . NO ONE is forcing anyone to purchase anything.
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first off XP wont support dx10 so i dont even see the point there :/ if you get a dx10 video game/card and dont have vista its just...pointless.

secondly whens the last time halo xbox launch coincided with the pc launch? oh thats right never. hell whens the last time halo for the pc was even good? oh thats right never again.

lets also make this clear. im not debunking nothing. am i going to get vista when it comes out (like i have a choice)? yes. am i more than likely going to get conroe when it comes out? yes. have a had an equal share of both ati and nvidia video cards in the past? yes. do i even bother with closely following the gazillion dvd formats, let alone care which one "wins out"? nope.
 
Thats correct If WGF 2.0 is supported XP won't do . But many say that no games will be available. I doubt that .

After talking and thinking About Halo I think I will go play it for a while.
 
$BangforThe$ said:
Thats correct If WGF 2.0 is supported XP won't do . But many say that no games will be available. I doubt that .

After talking and thinking About Halo I think I will go play it for a while.
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Doesn't matter to me, I'm sticking with WinXP anyway. Of the Seven versions Vista that's planned, the one planned for Gamers is the most expensive. If true, that's BS! If a Game is NOT ported to WinXP, I'll use my computer as a Computer and game on a Consol LOL! I'll Make Damned sure it has not anything to do with Microshaft.
 
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