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R600 Pics

phide said:
Let me try to understand your stance a little better here...

Assume, for a moment, that the XTX is going to be 20% faster than the GTX across the board. Everything it does, it does faster, and the IQ is the same between both cards. Assume that both cards have the exact same price. Feature-wise, the cards are basically identical.

If the GTX uses around 180W, what is the threshold for how much power the XTX can consume before you reconsider your stance? If the XTX draws double, 360W, and uses some obscene number of power connectors, do you still buy the XTX? What about 720W? 540W? 1400 watts?

If you're drawing the line on who is and who isn't [H]ard, perhaps you'll also draw the line on how much power is too much power when we absolutely know that the advantage of the power-sucking card is around 20%.
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Well they have a point as do you. Lots of people here are worried only with the fastest profromance they can get up to a point (that point being different for every one, cost, space, heat, power, all can be limiting factors in the end). People go to extremes to get the very last ounce of profromance out of there systems here (Over clocking anything, water cooling, SLI, ect). The spend the time and the MONEY for the best they can get. So for these people, a "60 watt" difference is nothing. Your smart enough to know that here these folks only care about speed for the most part :)

But you also bring up a good point about when do we reach that point where it "cost" too much. In your example is the cost of being a much higher power draw worth the small speed bump? And that is goind to be a different answer for everyone. Some one like you that seems more down to earth would have a much lower tollerance. But for the e-penis kings, then.....


Another point this power useage number are first and foremost from un-verifible sources on un-released parts that as far as I know are still not under and NDA. While it still fun to speculate we all know the the R600 is going to draw more. You can not have more memory clocked at the same speed or faster and not draw more power (assuming the the die power draws are simular wich is probably not the case)....
 
Jbirney said:
Your smart enough to know that here these folks only care about speed for the most part :)
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Exactly. If you're an enthusiast, then you ONLY care about speed.
I put myself in that category. Hence why I also like to water cool.

But as many people pointed out. Complaining about power draw on a TOP TOP TOP end, brand new generation video card is like complaining about the gas mileage on a Bugatti Veyron.
 
Jbirney said:
You can not have more memory clocked at the same speed or faster and not draw more power (assuming the the die power draws are simular wich is probably not the case)....
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I think the chip itself would be the biggest factor in the total power draw equation, because GDDR4 itself is quite an improvement over GDDR3 in this area. Power draw for GDDR4 chips is actually fairly minimal in the grand equation.

Jbirney said:
Some one like you that seems more down to earth would have a much lower tollerance. But for the e-penis kings, then.....
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I just think that those totally unconcerned with power consumption aren't being totally honest. I'm sure that everyone has a point of "enough is enough", and it's not about NVIDIA vs. AMD or vice versa. The question is where the line can be drawn with any piece of hardware.

That's_Corporate said:
Exactly. If you're an enthusiast, then you ONLY care about speed. I put myself in that category. Hence why I also like to water cool.
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And that's the thing, isn't it? If you only care about speed, wouldn't you suffer through refilling an aluminum tube bolted onto your CPU with liquid nitrogen seventy times a day rather than the relatively easy maintenance of a water cooling system? What about phase change, dielectric oil submersion or large-scale evaporative "bong" coolers? Aren't you making some sort of trade-off with a water cooling system as opposed to more radical, higher performing solutions?

And certainly, I'm not complaining about anything yet. If the card consumes 240 watts, it consumes 240 watts. Even if I end up buying one, I know what I'll be getting into, so I don't think it'd be valid to complain then, either.

That's_Corporate said:
Sorry, what was the question? I didn't even understand it the first time.
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I don't think I could have worded it any more plainly. It seems like I'm completely wasting my time as well, so forget it.
 
Funny thing is, I actually HAVE tried to run a nitrogen PC. Didn't last, too much maintenance. Then again, this was 'back in the day'. We have better methods now.

I don't really think I'm making many sacrifces with my WC. It's the best, feasible solution. My clocks are limited by the hardware mostly, not my temps, which stay nice and icy cool.

But if you want to take your comparison to the ends of the gamut, then how about YOU go hug a tree and use your 5 W wooden graphics card while singing kumbaya and making another shirt out of hemp, and I'll use my 500 W nuclear reactor powered card and go run over some homeless people in my Ferrari.
 
well for those that moan about the card being toooo long

since the Retail XTX is rumoured to be 9.5" that would put it at 1" SHORTER then the 8800GEE-TEE-EXX
8800GTX 10.5 inches = 26.67 centimeters
X2800XTX 9.5 inches = 24.13 centimeters

8800GTX is longer then the version of the X2800XTX/R600 that consumers will be able to buy for their home built pcs
 
Hmmm. At this point I'm not exactly sure whether some of the people in this thread are on drugs, or if I *should* be.

In any case, this thread has been derailed from a good discussion by adults about upcoming hardware into a middle school playground brawl, thanks to a few posters that desperately want to "win" the thread. Great job guys, you know who you are. I'll be moving on to where the adults actually *discuss* upcoming hardware. I hope the adults in this thread follow so that we can continue the discussion, as well, but please leave the kids and trolls here.

/unsubscribe
 
phide said:
I just think that those totally unconcerned with power consumption aren't being totally honest. I'm sure that everyone has a point of "enough is enough", and it's not about NVIDIA vs. AMD or vice versa. The question is where the line can be drawn with any piece of hardware.

And that's the thing, isn't it? If you only care about speed, wouldn't you suffer through refilling an aluminum tube bolted onto your CPU with liquid nitrogen seventy times a day rather than the relatively easy maintenance of a water cooling system? What about phase change, dielectric oil submersion or large-scale evaporative "bong" coolers? Aren't you making some sort of trade-off with a water cooling system as opposed to more radical, higher performing solutions?

And certainly, I'm not complaining about anything yet. If the card consumes 240 watts, it consumes 240 watts. Even if I end up buying one, I know what I'll be getting into, so I don't think it'd be valid to complain then, either.
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Phide, I believe that's called a slippery slope fallacy. "reductio ad absurdum" for all the Latin geeks, like me. ;)
 
I wonder if [H] NDA started today too =p maybe ATI has the final cards ready just getting them out in volume now? exciting chances are I WONt be getting this card but its always fun to see what the new stuff does =)
 
LightningCrash said:
you forgot, the bandwidth is also to make the card much bigger than an 8800GTX
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Right.
Thanks for reminding me.
The bandwith will make the card PHYSICALLY LONGER (don't ask me how the Canadians did that). Therefore it will not fit in ANY cases. That's right, even if you don't have a case, and just have a mobo on a desk, it won't fit because the air in the room will prevent it from occupying the PCI-E slot. The GTX is obviously far superior cause you can actually fit it inside a room, let alone a case.

Also, I'm sure he'll conclude the bandwith is actually used to drive an oven. Yup, an actual oven. This does two things that will make it much worse than the GTX: It will be super hot, over 1000 degrees at idle. Not only that, but it will also... USE MORE WATTS! Everyone in this thread was right... the R600 will use it's power not to drive performance, but to drive a microsocopic E-Z-Bake oven. It even makes mini-cupcakes. This, of course, makes it much worse than the GTX.

ATI really dropped the ball... it used almost 160gb/s of bandwith to make a telescopic expanding card with an E-Z-Bake oven. In trying to be 'the jack of all trades', it ended up being the master of none... what a shame. Oh yea... and it might also run games really well, but who cares.
 
That's_Corporate said:
Right.
Thanks for reminding me.
The bandwith will make the card PHYSICALLY LONGER (don't ask me how the Canadians did that). Therefore it will not fit in ANY cases. That's right, even if you don't have a case, and just have a mobo on a desk, it won't fit because the air in the room will prevent it from occupying the PCI-E slot. The GTX is obviously far superior cause you can actually fit it inside a room, let alone a case.

Also, I'm sure he'll conclude the bandwith is actually used to drive an oven. Yup, an actual oven. This does two things that will make it much worse than the GTX: It will be super hot, over 1000 degrees at idle. Not only that, but it will also... USE MORE WATTS! Everyone in this thread was right... the R600 will use it's power not to drive performance, but to drive a microsocopic E-Z-Bake oven. It even makes mini-cupcakes. This, of course, makes it much worse than the GTX.

ATI really dropped the ball... it used almost 160gb/s of bandwith to make a telescopic expanding card with an E-Z-Bake oven. In trying to be 'the jack of all trades', it ended up being the master of none... what a shame. Oh yea... and it might also run games really well, but who cares.
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ATI Will have a tri purpose card man, Power your PC, Oven, and heat your home,
 
the retail board is only 9.5", similar to the 8800GTX. so please stop spreading crap!
 
That's_Corporate said:
Right.
Thanks for reminding me.
The bandwith will make the card PHYSICALLY LONGER (don't ask me how the Canadians did that). Therefore it will not fit in ANY cases. That's right, even if you don't have a case, and just have a mobo on a desk, it won't fit because the air in the room will prevent it from occupying the PCI-E slot. The GTX is obviously far superior cause you can actually fit it inside a room, let alone a case.

Also, I'm sure he'll conclude the bandwith is actually used to drive an oven. Yup, an actual oven. This does two things that will make it much worse than the GTX: It will be super hot, over 1000 degrees at idle. Not only that, but it will also... USE MORE WATTS! Everyone in this thread was right... the R600 will use it's power not to drive performance, but to drive a microsocopic E-Z-Bake oven. It even makes mini-cupcakes. This, of course, makes it much worse than the GTX.

ATI really dropped the ball... it used almost 160gb/s of bandwith to make a telescopic expanding card with an E-Z-Bake oven. In trying to be 'the jack of all trades', it ended up being the master of none... what a shame. Oh yea... and it might also run games really well, but who cares.
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hahahhaahahaaha
that's pretty good comedy right there

Breaking news: ATI's R600 size of a semi trailer, truckers rejoice. In response, Quakecon moves to an open parking lot to accomodate the 12 people who will be utilizing the cards.


ATI's R600 reviewed, blamed for global warming. "[They are] weapons of mass global warmification," says George Bush. "We will not let these heat-generating terrorists continue to operate within our country."
 
LightningCrash said:
hahahhaahahaaha
that's pretty good comedy right there

Breaking news: ATI's R600 size of a semi trailer, truckers rejoice. In response, Quakecon moves to an open parking lot to accomodate the 12 people who will be utilizing the cards.


ATI's R600 reviewed, blamed for global warming. "[They are] weapons of mass global warmification," says George Bush. "We will not let these heat-generating terrorists continue to operate within our country."
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LOL
[H]OCP Review: "We'd love to tell you about the card... but we can't lift it into the case. We're renting a crane. Look for our review next week. Apologies for the delay."
 
Stereophile said:
I hear that when I walk my friend's GSXR 600. "But you've got a bigger engine !"
Yeah, so ? That's not my problem you can't afford the cubes. :p
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Please dont tell me that you are bragging about beating a 600 with a liter bike? You should pick on someone your own size:)

FWIW I have a 05 GSX1000 and I would never race a 600. It's like beating up on children.
 
That's_Corporate said:
LOL
[H]OCP Review: "We'd love to tell you about the card... but we can't lift it into the case. We're renting a crane. Look for our review next week. Apologies for the delay."
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You know, the Navy is coming out with the DDX ships with four 20 megawatt generators. I bet if Kyle contacted the Navy, he could come up with enough power to review the R600. Maybe just barely enough power.....

"AP News(tm); Mar 1, 2007 7:35AM EST -- US Navy test-fires ATI R600, global temperatures rise 1.5 degrees Celsius."
 
LightningCrash said:
You know, the Navy is coming out with the DDX ships with four 20 megawatt generators. I bet if Kyle contacted the Navy, he could come up with enough power to review the R600. Maybe just barely enough power.....

"AP News(tm); Mar 1, 2007 7:35AM EST -- US Navy test-fires ATI R600, global temperatures rise 1.5 degrees Celsius."
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It would have to take place on the DECK of the aircraft carrier though, cause due to the ENORMOUS length compared to the GTX, it would never actually fit inside the room. Geez... let's hope it doesn't rain... 80 megawatts + rain = crispy Kyle
 
That's_Corporate said:
It would have to take place on the DECK of the aircraft carrier though, cause due to the ENORMOUS length compared to the GTX, it would never actually fit inside the room. Geez... let's hope it doesn't rain... 80 megawatts + rain = crispy Kyle
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I bet they deliver R600s on one of those crawlers that move the space shuttle to the launch pad.

You know, like this one:
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2005/aerospace/nasacrawler.html

It will only take 12 years for the card to make it to your house from Canada. You know, since it's so huge compared to the GTX and all
 
LightningCrash said:
I bet they deliver R600s on one of those crawlers that move the space shuttle to the launch pad.

You know, like this one:
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2005/aerospace/nasacrawler.html

It will only take 12 years for the card to make it to your house from Canada. You know, since it's so huge compared to the GTX and all
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HAHAHAHA
So you go to newegg.com
Put the $600 XTX card into your shopping basket
Select your shipping options:

[ ] Warehouse Pickup (Free)
[ ] NASA Crawler ($3,200,000)
 
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