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Elimi'Xed said:Who cares STOP SPECULATING, ati is lanching something today, and it might. probbly is the r520, and if not its crossfire, but hold your breaths because the r520 is FINALLY being released soon (hopefully today, Aug 26 Friday) and its either gonna blow our socks off, be around nvidia speed, or completely suck, now with the annoucement a few hours a way calm down before you guys all hyper-ventilate, jizz on your selfs and die.
Aug 26, 2005 is gonna be historical for ATi, because either there gonna release a KICK ASS video card OR produce another FX seris DISASTER, so hold on to your drinks because I'm drunk and todays gonna be a fing fun ride, lets hope ATi can release an Uber Kicka Assing card that can kick, mine, all the ati fan BOys to the moon, and nvidia to the trashbin!
//Elomi'Xed
Smith said:It's supposed to have 512bit memory bus, too.
Cypher19 said:Personally, I think all of you guys should f***ing wake up. More pipes doesn't necessarily mean more performance, because the internal architecture of a pixel pipe can vary greatly. What if ATi has put like 4 ALUs and 2 texture units into one pipe in addition to souping up the core? What if they have some new revolutionary architecture that will send the performance of a single pipe through the roof?
In the near future, I think virtually all specs about video cards like pipes and clock speeds will mean next to nil when doing comparisons between different companies or even different models of cards. Don't go crying about the possibility of it being an OCed X850 until we get some hard performance numbers in either synthetic benches or games.
SatinSpiral said:More fuel for the rumour mill, from GD Hardware's coverage of IDF :
http://www.gdhardware.com/events/idf/fall_2005/003.htm
"We've met with several industry insiders who claim that the R520 is nothing more than a 16 pixel pipeline GPU that'll be clocked at 700MHz and that NVIDIA has a 32-pipe solution its waiting to pull the trigger on the day after ATI's announcement. Either way, we sure hope neither company gets caught up into a paper-launch. "
Discuss.
EDIT: Yes, we've all heard this speculation before, but this time it's coming from someone other than the Inq or X-Bit.
Elimi'Xed said:Theres a huge lanch event in austrilla today, even if they don't HARD lanch it like nvdia did, they are 100% lanching something today, weither it be the r520 or crossfire, but ther event seems too big for JUST crossfire
//Elimujp;Zed
razor1 said:4 alus and 2 tmu's would make producing chip like the r520 nearly impossible due to transitor desinty. It's pretty certain the r520 is a 16, 1, 1,1 chip. the r580 should be a 16 pipe chip with 3 tmu's per pipe a 16x3 core. Hopefully the mhz can overcome the raw calculation power of the g70's 24 pipe 2 alu's per pipe config.
eagled said:wish id rememebred the URL but earlier this week read that the r520 pipelines debate cant be compared with nvidia as apples for apples, new ati architecture was something like 16 nvidia pipes equates to 20 ati and 24 would equate to 30, sounds crap i know but swear i read this (and not on the inquirer lol)
have to wait an see
air2k5 said:why would ATI delay the R520 by that much just to make a card that is just a bit faster then x800 series. The info is plain worng,
Erasmus354 said:Question : When was the last time a refresh part had more pipelines than the part it was refreshing? Did the 9800XT have more pipelines than the 9800PRO? Did the 5900 have more pipelines than the 5800? Did the X850 have more pipelines than the X800?
So why then are there all these rumors of nvidia having a refresh part waiting in the wings with more pipelines than the part it is supposedly based upon? Besides the fact that the 7800 core has to my knowledge only 24 pipelines it would require a completely different core rather than a slightlty optimized core for nVidia to have this mythical 32 pipeline refresh card. It is much more likely this 7800U that is rumored is simply a higher clocked version of the 7800GTX.
Topweasel said:Hell they might be stockpiling the true 32 pipes so they can undercut ATI on them when they do finally sell them.
CMAN said:And all the other infomation about the R520 has been right on..........................
5150Joker said:A card with the fastest GDDR 3 modules and 512 bit bus wouldn't be commercially feasible due to cost; they don't have cheap enough modules out there to take advantage of a 512 bit bus without overpricing the card. More than likely they'd have to use a lot slower ram to make up for the high cost of the PCB + chip. People are speculating about a 384 bit bus but I doubt that will happen too. More than likely it's a 256 bit memory bus with 6 quads and 4 pipes each - I doubt their flagship chip will be 16 pipes like speculated.
The complaint charges ATI, Kwok Yuen Ho, David E. Orton and Patrick G. Crowley with violations of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. More specifically, the Complaint alleges that the Company failed to disclose and misrepresented the following material adverse facts which were known to defendants or recklessly disregarded by them: (1) that the Company substantially relied on its high-end offerings to fund other parts of its business; (2) that the Company's high-end offerings failed to offset the negative impact of weak gross margins and declining average sales prices in consumer electronics; (3) that the Company, due to production and design issues, was late to the market with its R520 chip, thereby losing market share to both Nvidia Corp. and Intel Corp. which caused downward pricing pressure for ATI; (4) that the Company's inventory levels were at a historic high, while current sales levels were insufficient to support the existing cost base; and (5) that the defendants' positive statements about the Company's progress and future growth lacked in all reasonable basis
The complaint charges ATI Technologies, Kwok Yuen Ho, David E. Orton and Patrick G. Crowley with violations of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. More specifically, the Complaint alleges that the Company failed to disclose and misrepresented the following material adverse facts: (a) the Company was selling desktop and notebook products with lower and lower profit margins; (b) ATI's gross margins were being weakened by high sales of its IGP (integrated graphics processor) products, which have profit margins well below the corporate average; (c) the Company was earning lower-than-anticipated yields on certain products due to operational issues in its own packaging and test areas of its manufacturing process; (d) the Company was experiencing production/design/yield issues with its R520 chip, the release of which was six months behind schedule; (e) the Company was losing market share to arch-rivals Nvidia Corp. and Intel Corp. causing downward pressure on ATI's prices; (f) ATI lost market share to Nvidia in the enthusiast and mainstream markets following the launch of Nvidia's SLI (scalable link interface) chipset in early 2005. The SLI chipset enables the use of two graphics cards instead of one in a desktop computer, allowing desktop users to upgrade graphics at cheaper prices, a product ATI will not have on the market until early August 2005; (g) ATI lost market share to Intel in the notebook computer market, traditionally an area of strength for ATI, because as would later be revealed, Intel's Alviso chipset offers ``more than-adequate'' graphics performance for many notebook computer users; and (h) despite defendants' previous statements to the contrary, a fire at one of the Company's primary suppliers in Taiwan was preventing the Company from receiving necessary supplies
Scroatdog said:16 pipes vs 32 or 24 is the least of ATI's problems. Seems the delay of the R520, it's production problems, and the company's less-than-stellar earnings have spawned at least 6 class action lawsuits on behalf of shareholders who beleive the company has been irresponsible in many areas.............................
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ATYT
postalcop said:I'll just wait till it comes out. All this speculation is giving me a headache.
Obi_Kwiet said:That's smart. Sue a company that you own stock in. ATI should just come out an announce what it's going to be.
sativa said:don't comment on shit you don't know about. if you owned 100,000+ shares of ATi and the directors and officers of the company intentionally misrepresented future earnings and product releases, then your shares are going to go down the crapper. You have every right to sue them for causing the value of your stock to decrease.
magnuspah said:Also consider the fact that it is the misrepresentation that probably caused some of the shareholders to buy or hold instead of sell. Might as well try to recoup some of your hard earned money.
SnakEyez187 said:Then you're setting yourself up to be disappointed when they don't do that. People said they were stockpiling faster cards in every generation past the NV30, and they never did. Doing this would just waste money, not make it
killerD said:The lawsuits will be thrown out, the lawyers know this of course but they will get there fees which is all they care about. Wouldnt it be a nice world if we could buy stock and never have to worry about it going fown from delays, aggressive competition pricing, fires, etc.
PRIME1 said:As for me I won't be buying a new card until late next year, so I can sit in the crowd, eat popcorn, and watch the show.
Bulletproof said:aren't you guys forgetting about crossfire, even if R520 is an "underperformer", crossfire is supposed to be able to work on any game and does not need custom drivers or any customization for it to be enabled on any game.
air2k5 said:why would ATI delay the R520 by that much just to make a card that is just a bit faster then x800 series. The info is plain worng,
magnuspah said:Also consider the fact that it is the misrepresentation that probably caused some of the shareholders to buy or hold instead of sell. Might as well try to recoup some of your hard earned money.
sativa said:don't comment on shit you don't know about. if you owned 100,000+ shares of ATi and the directors and officers of the company intentionally misrepresented future earnings and product releases, then your shares are going to go down the crapper. You have every right to sue them for causing the value of your stock to decrease.