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R520 delayed. Not looking good.

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“This range has been adjusted down from the preliminary guidance announced on June 6, 2005, due to a more conservative expectation on the ramp of new products in the fourth quarter,” ATI said. The company said on a conference call that its new graphics chip, the R520, is delayed.
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Looks like we aren't going to see the R520 until Q1 of 2006. Furthermore, after reading about their earnings, this is not looking good for ATI. Looks a lot like 3dfx's situation when they went under.
 
Err... it happened to nVidia too (FX5800 Ultra). I'm glad they crawled themselves out of that hell hole and unleashed a kick-ass GPU afterwards (6 series). Now it's ATI's turn... ;)
 
Ahh, Inquirer. ATI themselves reports there's going to be a delay to their investors, and Inq swears they were just kidding.
 
ATI is currently in there 4th quarter as the financial results just posted were for there 3rd quarter. So Q1 2006 for them is not January.
 
Netrat33 said:
X-Box360 pretty much secured their future for a while no matter how you feel about ATI :rolleyes:
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Unless you have a copy of the deal, I would not count on it. The only help ATI May Gain is that if they fall, MS will buy them out for the future of the Xbox and then dump their video card line.
 
PRIME1 said:
Unless you have a copy of the deal, I would not count on it. The only help ATI May Gain is that if they fall, MS will buy them out for the future of the Xbox and then dump their video card line.
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you nvidia fan girls are pathetic with your predictions and omens of dark times. Go outside.
 
FanATIc said:
you nvidia fan girls are pathetic with your predictions and omens of dark times. Go outside.
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Predictions of doom based on facts are part of a discussion on recent ATI troubles. Your ignorant response only shows your true colors.
 
PRIME1 said:
Unless you have a copy of the deal, I would not count on it. The only help ATI May Gain is that if they fall, MS will buy them out for the future of the Xbox and then dump their video card line.
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good lord.. I'd ban you simply for making the most inane comment I've heard here in a LONG time..

I mean...WTF people??

Just let it go.. this !!!!!! nonsense is just ridiculous.
 
Is it me or does anyone else see that FanATIc is getting extremly upset over his favorite company getting owned?

heheh the r520 is no where in site
Crossfire is currently vaporware.
Getting a Crossfire x850 setup is a waste due to next gen being out already. (but not ati's):D

Oh well...only the facts show true.

and even if the r520 comes out. You really think nVidia will stand by and get there ass handed to them? I think not. And everyone here who has a brain knows nVidia has somthing up there sleeve. and is waiting on ati. :D

oh well thats my opinion
 
TheGameguru said:
good lord.. I'd ban you simply for making the most inane comment I've heard here in a LONG time..

I mean...WTF people??

Just let it go.. this !!!!!! nonsense is just ridiculous.
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Well then post some relevant information about the topic, other than getting your panties in a bunch and crying about it.

ATI's product line is currently behind that of their competitor. Discussing a delay in the release of it's next card and saying such a delay does not bode well for them does not make everyone a fan boi. However, ranting against such posts is hypocritical at best.
 
If the trend continues, I'll probably never own an ATi card (they have never had anything worth its salt at the price point I need whenever I upgrade, be it the $250 price point of last fall or the $600 price point of last week) but I really wish they could release the R520 soon enough for me to StepUp to whatever nVidia is holding back :(
 
PRIME1 said:
Well then post some relevant information about the topic, other than getting your panties in a bunch and crying about it.

ATI's product line is currently behind that of their competitor. Discussing a delay in the release of it's next card and saying such a delay does not bode well for them does not make everyone a fan boi. However, ranting against such posts is hypocritical at best.
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bah...it matters not...the only issue ATI has at this moment is at the high end market where very little of their total profits come from..

If ATI lost several big OEM deals then perhaps they'd have something to worry about.. given their cash in hand.. their existing OEM deals at various price points a simple delay in their next GPU isnt going to doom them.

Their notebook deals are bringing them considerable profits and the notebook sector continues to outsell desktop.

Based on information from Celestica it does not appear ATI is going to lose money as you are attempting to suggest from the Xbox 360 deal.

Does this mean that I wouldnt have concern if I was ATI? no...of course not..any time you have a dissapointing quarter you have to re-evaluate whats going on in the market and internally.

But your speculation sounds more like utter FUD than reasonable "discussions"
 
PRIME1 said:
Unless you have a copy of the deal, I would not count on it. The only help ATI May Gain is that if they fall, MS will buy them out for the future of the Xbox and then dump their video card line.
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Let me just whip that right up for you :rolleyes:

This is the STUPIDEST comment I've seen in a while. Yes your a fan boy. Give me a BREAK. Because that "xbox360" is really gonna flop. ATI is going out of business because oooh, r520 got delayed for computer. And Nvidia was really hating the money coming in from xbox. That's one of the biggest job securities ever. Not to mention they also have nintendo too. Bet you forgot about that too.

Who gives a crap if you hate ati for whatever stupid reason you have. ATI isn't stupid and aren't going anywhere for a long time. They've been around for just as long starting off with the crappy cards. They ARE the next AMD and risen considerably to be the true competion. They've done an impressive job. Fan boys really drive me nuts with their "logic" You have no idea how stocks go up and down much like everything else do you?
 
[RIP]Zeus said:
Is it me or does anyone else see that FanATIc is getting extremly upset over his favorite company getting owned?

heheh the r520 is no where in site
Crossfire is currently vaporware.
Getting a Crossfire x850 setup is a waste due to next gen being out already. (but not ati's):D

Oh well...only the facts show true.

and even if the r520 comes out. You really think nVidia will stand by and get there ass handed to them? I think not. And everyone here who has a brain knows nVidia has somthing up there sleeve. and is waiting on ati. :D

oh well thats my opinion
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QFT!!!
 
[RIP]Zeus said:
Is it me or does anyone else see that FanATIc is getting extremly upset over his favorite company getting owned?

heheh the r520 is no where in site
Crossfire is currently vaporware.
Getting a Crossfire x850 setup is a waste due to next gen being out already. (but not ati's):D

Oh well...only the facts show true.

and even if the r520 comes out. You really think nVidia will stand by and get there ass handed to them? I think not. And everyone here who has a brain knows nVidia has somthing up there sleeve. and is waiting on ati. :D

oh well thats my opinion
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wow..maybe they'll announce the ultra :rolleyes:

maybe in two months they'll announced a NEW video cards to really dick over people who JUST bought the 7800 to compete against the R520. That would be a great move by nvidia wouldn't ya think?! Bet you didn't think that one too through. Or maybe you simply wouldn't care that nvidia would piss all over their supporters jsut to win the "card race" and "your company" winning.
maybe they'll invent lazer beams for sharks to shoot of their heads.

You're the lamest when it comes to ati vs nvidia. :rolleyes:
I can at least appreciate empty's and trancendez arguments and loyalty. Don't quite sound as dumb
 
Netrat33 said:
wow..maybe they'll announce the ultra :rolleyes:

maybe in two months they'll announced a NEW video cards to really dick over people who JUST bought the 7800 to compete against the R520. That would be a great move by nvidia wouldn't ya think?! Bet you didn't think that one too through. Or maybe you simply wouldn't care that nvidia would piss all over their supporters jsut to win the "card race" and "your company" winning.
maybe they'll invent lazer beams for sharks to shoot of their heads.

You're the lamest when it comes to ati vs nvidia. :rolleyes:
I can at least appreciate empty's and trancendez arguments and loyalty. Don't quite sound as dumb
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im going to half to say that Nvidia will put a 7800 Ultra out with pumped clocks maby more pipes.. then once Ati has there crackerjacks prize out Nvidia is going to do the hole X800 shit on Ati with a 7900GTX/Ultra and it will smash it...
 
Warrior said:
im going to half to say that Nvidia will put a 7800 Ultra out with pumped clocks maby more pipes.. then once Ati has there crackerjacks prize out Nvidia is going to do the hole X800 shit on Ati with a 7900GTX/Ultra and it will smash it...
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Probably that wouldn't even happen right away. And it wouldn't smash it. it would probably 'edge' it.

the x850 doesn't smash the x800.
 
Netrat33 said:
Probably that wouldn't even happen right away. And it wouldn't smash it. it would probably 'edge' it.

the x850 doesn't smash the x800.
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i can beleive that. im not saying the X850 edges a X800.. im saying when the 6 series came out.. Ati had to "edge" it with the X series.... i bought a 6800GT before the X series came out.. and i have to say.. im not disapointed.. both companies have great quality... Nvidias cards are prime Overclockers.. Ati is more of a Image freak.. thats great...i look at these main factors first when im purchasing a video card.. and i dont think ill need a card until i see some figures of the Unreal 3 engine on my card... :rolleyes:
 
I'll say this.....

I've been really happy with all of my ATi cards I've been using in the past BUT, I do believe that ATi needs to get with the program and they need to keep on pace with nVidia.

this horsesh*t about them (meaning ATi) having yield problems with this card and that card isnt my problem, its theirs. so the longer they keep pissing around with their lack of higher end video cards, the easier the thought of me moving to a readily available, high end nVidia card becomes closer and closer to reality.

my loyalty only goes with whoever has the best video card thats obviously readily available for purchase. key word here being "available". not none of this horsesh*t BS like they did with the X800 XT PE cards. thats just ridiculous......
 
I see this thread getting red with blood very soon. lol
 
We are talking about a delay for a product that may not even exist. :p like Crossfire or the phantom console. Duke Nukem Forever Delayed.....
 
Well, just cause they're a little delayed on their next gen uber card doesn't mean doom for the company. Most of their sales by far is their lower priced value cards, not that uber $500 card. ATi's cash cow is in their mainstream value cards, and has been.

But, I feel that ATi will probably pull ahead with their next gen, even if it does come a little late. The 6800 series did fair out alot better than the x800 line, but that was the first time in quite awhile that nvidia really put out a superior product. Back when the geforce2 was out, it got smashed by the origional radeon. When the geforce3 was out, the radeon 8500 turned out to be a tad better card by many opinions. The geforce4 came out and kinda turned it out to nvidia, but the 8500 still stood its ground quite well. ATi countered with the 9700, which whipped the pants off of anything that nvidia could do, even when they rolled out their 5800ultra, it really didn't seem to compete, and when they came out with that improved 5900 line, still the 9700 hung, and the 9800 beat it pretty good when it came out. ATi has been in control of the high end market for awhile, and the 6800 series was the first to break that in a long time. I think ATi will respond, but only time will tell. This won't certainly sink the company though, think of the crap nvidia has released in the past :)
 
PRIME1 said:
We are talking about a delay for a product that may not even exist. :p like Crossfire or the phantom console. Duke Nukem Forever Delayed.....
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This is true (except for Crossfire, it DOES exist in engineering samples and such), but, I somehow doubt ATi will eventually just throw the research away that went into the R520.
 
PRIME1 said:
We are talking about a delay for a product that may not even exist. :p like Crossfire or the phantom console. Duke Nukem Forever Delayed.....
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Well seems weird for two games to already have patches for the r520 if it doesn't exist.(Farcry being one and I currently forgot the other)

and I'm pretty sure being a "stepping stone" for xbox360 (different cards I know) MS would have a made a huge stink if that wasn't on schedule.

And crossfire exists. But why do nvidia fans keep bringing it up if they don't even care about the crossfire?! Hell I hardly see ATi fans crazy about it (currently) Most people see it as the "beta" board anyway for the R520
 
I'm surprised we haven't seen any "OMG THE HAMMER HAS DROPPED ON ATI'S NAIL!!" type threads.

You Nvidia clones really crack me up when you talk of shit you know nothing about.
 
PRIME1 said:
We are talking about a delay for a product that may not even exist. :p like Crossfire or the phantom console. Duke Nukem Forever Delayed.....
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You're a funny guy PRIME1, I bet you even made that name up yourself.

Anyway, Crossfire, from the start was given a release date of July, read the HardOCP preview if you dont believe me.

robberbaron said:
This is true (except for Crossfire, it DOES exist in engineering samples and such), but, I somehow doubt ATi will eventually just throw the research away that went into the R520.
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Reading more at Beyond3D, it seems the R520, or at least a portion of it, the R400, have been in devlopment since the R300 came out. The R400 was suppose to be the new core after R300, but when Nvidia came with the Nv40 ATI had to rush something quick and simply pushed out the R420.

The more I read, it sounds like R520 could end up being a feature packed card more than a performance beast. Things like HDR + AA together should work together. The design could have similair aspects to the R500/Xenos that is in the Xbox360.
 
PRIME1 said:
We are talking about a delay for a product that may not even exist. :p like Crossfire or the phantom console. Duke Nukem Forever Delayed.....
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OMG - the PC Gamer d00dz were able to see a good working beta at 3Drealms recently... they wrote about it in the issue with the Prey cover. :) Maybe the r520 will come bundled with it? lol j/k
 
Well I can't speak of the future but ATI isn't doing bad right now, although maby a little worse since Nvidia has turned the favorable choice to many people.
 
Skrying said:
Reading more at Beyond3D, it seems the R520, or at least a portion of it, the R400, have been in devlopment since the R300 came out. The R400 was suppose to be the new core after R300, but when Nvidia came with the Nv40 ATI had to rush something quick and simply pushed out the R420.
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Exactly when do you think ATi saw the NV40 and how long did it take them to "rush" the R420. I don't think these companies wave magic wands and semiconductor designs just appear out of nothing.
 
trinibwoy said:
Exactly when do you think ATi saw the NV40 and how long did it take them to "rush" the R420. I don't think these companies wave magic wands and semiconductor designs just appear out of nothing.
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Well look at the R420, a beefed up R300. Not a whole lot there to tweak, double the pipelines, add some VS's and sky rocket the core and memory speeds, lol. I still think its funny that a 3 year old core design beats a fairly new one in a lot of games.

I think ATi wanted to get away with only 12 pipes and fairly high clocks, that's why I think the naming system is so messed up on the X800s. They were slightly surpised by the Nv40, but I dont think that much, added another 4 pipes and a 50Mhz core jump and bam you got a fast card to compete with the 6800U.
 
Skrying said:
Well look at the R420, a beefed up R300. Not a whole lot there to tweak, double the pipelines, add some VS's and sky rocket the core and memory speeds, lol. I still think its funny that a 3 year old core design beats a fairly new one in a lot of games.
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Well, we see that in the CPU world. The K8, which is a "beefed up K7," (K7 is what, 5-6 years old?) beats the Netburst in EVERY game. The P6, a what, 10 year old core? That too does an admirable job compared to "newer" tech once it got the Banias and Dothan tweaks.

Skrying said:
I think ATi wanted to get away with only 12 pipes and fairly high clocks, that's why I think the naming system is so messed up on the X800s. They were slightly surpised by the Nv40, but I dont think that much, added another 4 pipes and a 50Mhz core jump and bam you got a fast card to compete with the 6800U.
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Weren't the pipes already there on the R420?
 
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