quick question abut pcie 2.0

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Rahburt-33

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my friends computer has a pcie slot, but it is not 2.0

we cant find any good cards that are just pcie x16

were trying to get a radeon hd 3850

my question is will a 2.0 card work in a normal slot, and if so how is the card affected

and if it does work should we just get him like a 4850?

thank you in advance
 
how about this card: here?
also its a p4, with like 2gigs of ram?
its a pretty good p4
so how much bottlenecking would take place? were trying to determine the best card lol
 
Rahburt-33 said:
how about this card: here?
also its a p4, with like 2gigs of ram?
its a pretty good p4
so how much bottlenecking would take place? were trying to determine the best card lol
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It's a good card. Yes it will work just fine in PCI-E 1.1/PCI-E 1.0 slot without any problems. However that P4, no matter how high it's clocked, will be a bottleneck in newer games circa 2006 and onwards.

Also what PSU does that system have? What mobo does that system have?
 
Rahburt-33 said:
how about this card: here?
also its a p4, with like 2gigs of ram?
its a pretty good p4
so how much bottlenecking would take place? were trying to determine the best card lol
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an old single core P4 will bottleneck even a modern entry level video card. there is no point whatsoever in putting a 4850 in that system.
 
p4 is pretty old, so you'll see frame drop at med res or when there's physic going on.
 
hmm ill have to open it up to check on the psu

so should we just get a 3850 instead so that it doesent bottleneck to much? cuz thats what im using, and i pretty much have teh same p4 that he has, and my games i get good fps and settings

btw were playing wow and were gonna attempt crysis

his computer is a oem hp to =P
 
Rahburt-33 said:
hmm ill have to open it up to check on the psu

so should we just get a 3850 instead so that it doesent bottleneck to much? cuz thats what im using, and i pretty much have teh same p4 that he has, and my games i get good fps and settings

btw were playing wow and were gonna attempt crysis

his computer is a oem hp to =P
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well even the 3850 will be severally bottlenecked so I personally wouldnt even bother with that card unless you are getting a killer deal on it.
 
Rahburt-33 said:
hmm ill have to open it up to check on the psu

so should we just get a 3850 instead so that it doesent bottleneck to much?.....

his computer is a oem hp to =P
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Find out the PSU ASAP. Since it's an older HP, I'm more than willing to bet that the PSU is of low amperage and low quality. Which means that even the HD 3850 might be too much for it.

So please tell us the amperage on the +12V rail (Should look like 10A to 15A), who the manufacturer is, and the UL number (the number underneath the U and reversed R logo)
 
lets see the company is "bestec"
next to teh 12v rail it said 19a
the ul number is: e127778
and its max output is 300w

lmao i told him he is probally going to have to get a better one
 
Rahburt-33 said:
lets see the company is "bestec"
next to teh 12v rail it said 19a
the ul number is: e127778
and its max output is 300w

lmao i told him he is probally going to have to get a better one
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I have owned many HP/Compaq comps and yeah thats their 300 watt psu. its an okay psu but a 3850 would not be a wise card to try and power with it. anything stronger than an 8600gt or 9500gt will be pushing with that psu. if he is coming from integrated video than an 8600gt or 9500gt would be a massive improvement that wouldnt tax the psu too bad and wouldnt make the P4 as big of a bottleneck.
 
He's definitely gonna need a new PSU. Bestec is one of those extremely low quality PSUs. I wouldn't trust it with any video card short of onboard video.

But I concur with cannondale06: Unless you can get the HD3850 for a cheap price (~$60) and get a significantly better quality PSU (Corsair, Seasonic, Antec (Not the Basiq series at all), BFG (LS, MX and ES line of PSUs only)) etc, it's really not worth upgrading the system. Also note that WOW is also very CPU hungry. So that P4 is still a bottleneck.
 
what if we get this? 9500 gt

it doesent look like it needs that much power, and hees probally not gonna pour a bunch of money into an entrirely new system =P

in my opinion i think this is a good card to get for his setup
 
Danny Bui said:
He's definitely gonna need a new PSU. Bestec is one of those extremely low quality PSUs. I wouldn't trust it with any video card short of onboard video.

But I concur with cannondale06: Unless you can get the HD3850 for a cheap price (~$60) and get a significantly better quality PSU (Corsair, Seasonic, Antec (Not the Basiq series at all), BFG (LS, MX and ES line of PSUs only)) etc, it's really not worth upgrading the system. Also note that WOW is also very CPU hungry. So that P4 is still a bottleneck.
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well I can tell you from experience that the psu would be fine with an 8600gt. I had and 8600gt with 5000 X2 in my HP for 20 months an then replaced it with a 4670 for 2 months. depending on what P4 he has, it shouldnt use more power than that 90nm 5000 X2 that was in mine so his total load would be about what mine was.
 
Rahburt-33 said:
what if we get this? 9500 gt

it doesent look like it needs that much power, and hees probally not gonna pour a bunch of money into an entrirely new system =P

in my opinion i think this is a good card to get for his setup
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do not get a 1gb 9500gt and stay away from the ddr2 models too. the9500gt cant even utilize 512mb so theres no need for 1gb and ddr2 is really slow.
 
well how about a 9500gt but witth gddr3 and just 512mb of ram? lmao sorry for all these questions, i dont know much about his system

and i cant find any 8600gt on newegg :/
 
cannondale06 said:
well I can tell you from experience that the psu would be fine with an 8600gt. I had and 8600gt with 5000 X2 in my HP for 20 months an then replaced it with a 4670 for 2 months. depending on what P4 he has, it shouldnt use more power than that 90nm 5000 X2 that was in mine so his total load would be about what mine was.
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Well I can tell you from experience that the Bestec PSUs should not be trusted. I've worked on systems with Bestec PSUs where the PSU died even though only a Geforce 6800 was added for only a month. I've worked on systems with Bestec PSUs where the PSU died after just adding a 7600GT for a week. I've worked on systems with Bestec PSUs where the PSUs still died even though there was no add-on video card. Most of those Bestec PSU systems had P4s. So yeah, after working with so many systems with dead Bestec PSUs, I can barely trust those POS PSUs with anything more than integrated PSUs.

@ Rahburt-33
Just an FYI, that extra 512MB of VRAM will not help out at all considering that it is too slow to take advantage of the extra VRAM. In addition, you can get the faster HD4670 in the same price range.
 
Danny Bui said:
Well I can tell you from experience that the Bestec PSUs should not be trusted. I've worked on systems with Bestec PSUs where the PSU died even though only a Geforce 6800 was added for only a month. I've worked on systems with Bestec PSUs where the PSU died after just adding a 7600GT for a week. I've worked on systems with Bestec PSUs where the PSUs still died even though there was no add-on video card. Most of those Bestec PSU systems had P4s. So yeah, after working with so many systems with dead Bestec PSUs, I can barely trust those POS PSUs with anything more than integrated PSUs.

@ Rahburt-33
Just an FYI, that extra 512MB of VRAM will not help out at all considering that it is too slow to take advantage of the extra VRAM. In addition, you can get the faster HD4670 in the same price range.
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well I have had six Hp/Compaq comps over the last six years with 250 and 300 watt bestec power supplies and not one failure even using tons of midrange cards in every one of them. in fact I still have my old Compaq from 2003 with the original 250 watt psu. my parents also have a Compaq with a bestec 250 watt and 4200 X2 with an 8600gt.
 
cannondale06 said:
well I have had six Hp/Compaq comps over the last six years with 250 and 300 watt bestec power supplies and not one failure even using tons of midrange cards in every one of them. in fact I still have my old one from 2003 with the original 2500 watt psu. my parents also have a compaq with a bestec 250 watt and 4200 X2 with an 8600gt.
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Well it looks like we have vastly different experiences when it comes to the stock PSUs with OEM systems.

@ OP:
HD4670 hands down. But it still will be bottlenecked/limited by that P4. So technically, you might get equal performance between the 9500GT and HD4670.
 
Well since there's a PCI-E slot, more than likely he has a Prescott P4. And those P4 used around 84W to 115W depending on the CPU.
 
were thinking on the hd4670, and if the computer locks up to much or something eventually get a new psu
 
Rahburt-33 said:
were thinking on the hd4670, and if the computer locks up to much or something eventually get a new psu
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Problem is that the Bestec PSUs might take out the rest of your system should it die.
 
Danny Bui said:
Problem is that the Bestec PSUs might take out the rest of your system should it die.
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yeah the 4670 is beyond what I would recommend for long term use with that psu. I did it for 2 months but that was because I knew I was going to build my first pc. I sold that HP and 4670 separately of course.
 
well np were probally gonna get the one i posted above

thanks for the information guys were gonna be raidin in high settings now =D
 
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