Quick Q. Use HDMI 1.3 cable on 360?

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Just a quick question! Is it possible to use a HDMI 1.3 cable on a 360, even if it does not support 1.3? I am not much of a Console gamer, but am getting a 360, and just want to make sure a 1.3 will work with it since I already have one! :D
 
I'm fairly sure the HDMI *Cables* are all the same, it's the connection standard that refers to the various version numbers :)

And the question of whether you'll be fine depends entirely on whether the version of HDMI on your display or receiver matches that of 360 (which is 1.2); often, when two devices support two different versions of HDMI, they are not able to maintain a consistent sync and will result in audio or video cutting out intermittently, or the display device simply refusing to accept the signal.

Sadly, HDMI is a dud, and one of the worst connector ideas ever. Not because it's small and convenient, but because its DRM requirements often cripple its utility and make what should be a simple operation much more difficult and/or expensive than it needs to be.
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
I'm fairly sure the HDMI *Cables* are all the same, it's the connection standard that refers to the various version numbers :)

And the question of whether you'll be fine depends entirely on whether the version of HDMI on your display or receiver matches that of 360 (which is 1.2); often, when two devices support two different versions of HDMI, they are not able to maintain a consistent sync and will result in audio or video cutting out intermittently, or the display device simply refusing to accept the signal.

Sadly, HDMI is a dud, and one of the worst connector ideas ever. Not because it's small and convenient, but because its DRM requirements often cripple its utility and make what should be a simple operation much more difficult and/or expensive than it needs to be.
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Negative ghostrider, a HDMI 1.3 display is backwards compatable with all previous versions of HDMI, it's part of the specification.

360s do not have HDMI issues, only the PS3's do. and that is 100% sony's fault
 
Thats BS on the dud remark.

HDMI is exploding in popularity. Makers are willing to pay the small royalty in order to push single cord solutions for their products.

My 360 has one HDMI to the receiver and it has one out to the display. Everything works with crystal clear audio. Displayport cant do that.... You have to use a weak Toslink connector.

I use nothing but 1.3 connectors. 1.4 wont be widespread for 2+ years as its features are not widely needed. You can get cheap 6 meter cords for less than 5 dollars after shipping on amazon or other places. I've seen 30 meter cords for less than 20 dollars after shipping which is nearly a godsend for many setups that need to have the console or players on the other side of the room. Traditional RCA cables that long can be 50+ USD easilly
 
HDMI 1.3 is higher bandwidth allowing for that "deep colour" gimmick. When I purchased my blu-ray player the sales person at futureshop tried to sell me 1.3 cables. I told him I don't have a TV capable of the 1.3 deep colour gimmick, and that his store doesn't sell any TVs capable of deep colour yet, and he told me the blu-ray player wouldn't work, at all, if I didn't buy hdmi 1.3 cables. I laughed in his face and left.

BTW HDMI is backward compatible.
 
HDMI is better in theory than is in execution just because stereo receivers with full HDMI in/outs aren't as common as they should be. Way too many people have HDMI switching receivers which are all but useless unless you like 2.1 audio.
In most cases people are using it and just getting 2-channel audio from their TV, which pretty much kills any serious advantage of HDMI.
The technology is great, but support for it is still pretty weak thanks to receiver manufacturers being late (and lazy).
 
Draax said:
HDMI 1.3 is higher bandwidth allowing for that "deep colour" gimmick. When I purchased my blu-ray player the sales person at futureshop tried to sell me 1.3 cables. I told him I don't have a TV capable of the 1.3 deep colour gimmick, and that his store doesn't sell any TVs capable of deep colour yet, and he told me the blu-ray player wouldn't work, at all, if I didn't buy hdmi 1.3 cables. I laughed in his face and left.
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Let me guess, Best Buy?

Anyways, I know it's another system but when I bought my PS3, I just got one of those cheap $2 HDMI cables off e-bay. I don't even know if it's HDMI 1 or 1.3 but it works great for only a couple bucks!
 
If its not 1.3 (Which is very unlikely as its been out from 06) You wont be able to bitstream but you will still get AC3 and full LPCM which is just as good as bitsreaming anyway.

You are good to go!
 
Domingo said:
HDMI is better in theory than is in execution just because stereo receivers with full HDMI in/outs aren't as common as they should be. Way too many people have HDMI switching receivers which are all but useless unless you like 2.1 audio.
In most cases people are using it and just getting 2-channel audio from their TV, which pretty much kills any serious advantage of HDMI.
The technology is great, but support for it is still pretty weak thanks to receiver manufacturers being late (and lazy).
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To even get that 2 channel through displayport or VGA you would have to use Toslink or Pete forbid Analog RCA...

HDMI still has the advantage. It is a 1 cable solution that just works
 
Zachstar said:
To even get that 2 channel through displayport or VGA you would have to use Toslink or Pete forbid Analog RCA...

HDMI still has the advantage. It is a 1 cable solution that just works
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If you're only getting audio from your TV speakers, I can pretty much guarantee you won't be able to tell the difference beteen HDMI audio and RCA or toslink. Plus, that the 1-cable solutions that work don't always "just work." Handshake issues on here are overblown but they aren't exactly rare. For anyone that does have a receiver with no-HDMI ports on it (progably 85% of the market), they're still left with a 2-cable solution.
 
Psssssssst

Cables is cables. The sender and receiver do matter, but generally, cables is cables. I've got a 30' HDMI cable that I bought for short money from the manufacturer and It's been perfect with my PS3 to a Front PJ.
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
Negative ghostrider, a HDMI 1.3 display is backwards compatable with all previous versions of HDMI, it's part of the specification.

360s do not have HDMI issues, only the PS3's do. and that is 100% sony's fault
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Actually, you're wrong, and I know for a fact you are. I have an HD set that's HDMI 1.3, which I got last December. I had a 6 month old DVD player that was HDMI 1.2, and the TV simply WOULD NOT work with the dvd player reliably. Meanwhile, my older HDTV with HDMI 1.2, works flawlessly with that dvd player. On the 1.3 set, playback of DVD's constantly cuts out and flashes a "sync error."

360's DO have HDMI errors when connected to a 1.3 set; I've verified it with my own set. It's fine with playback of games, but insert a movie to play upscaled and suddenly sync errors occur exactly like with the DVD player.

I have a buddy who's got both a PS3 and a 360, with an HDMI 1.3 TV and receiver. The PS3 plays fine with both; the 360 does not, when playing movies.

HDMI is a *disastrous* "standard" that doesn't even deserve the name Standard, because it's constantly changing.
 
Zachstar said:
Thats BS on the dud remark.

HDMI is exploding in popularity. Makers are willing to pay the small royalty in order to push single cord solutions for their products.

My 360 has one HDMI to the receiver and it has one out to the display. Everything works with crystal clear audio. Displayport cant do that.... You have to use a weak Toslink connector.

I use nothing but 1.3 connectors. 1.4 wont be widespread for 2+ years as its features are not widely needed. You can get cheap 6 meter cords for less than 5 dollars after shipping on amazon or other places. I've seen 30 meter cords for less than 20 dollars after shipping which is nearly a godsend for many setups that need to have the console or players on the other side of the room. Traditional RCA cables that long can be 50+ USD easilly
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As long as ALL your HDMI devices are the SAME standard, you're fine. If you have mixed versions, you're asking for problems.

The idea of a single cable solution is a great idea--unfortunately, HDMI's DRM implementation makes it a sketchy choice, especially if you're Joe Average consumer who doesn't realize he needs to verify that all his devices use the same standard.
 
I'd just like the clear up some things. Both the 360 and PS3 have had HDMI issues with certain TVs. Let's not be a bunch of fan boys and pretend like one system has been perfect. The bottom line is any HDMI cable on the 360 should be fine.
 
bpmurrGT said:
I'd just like the clear up some things. Both the 360 and PS3 have had HDMI issues with certain TVs. Let's not be a bunch of fan boys and pretend like one system has been perfect. The bottom line is any HDMI cable on the 360 should be fine.
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I don't think anybody's been a fanboy about a console here :). I'd also say, without worrying about specific cables, any HDMI port should work fine with any other HDMI port. Unfortunately, they don't, and if you're mixing and matching device versions, to say nothing of cable versions, you've got a good shot at finding some trouble.
 
Draax said:
HDMI 1.3 is higher bandwidth allowing for that "deep colour" gimmick. When I purchased my blu-ray player the sales person at futureshop tried to sell me 1.3 cables. I told him I don't have a TV capable of the 1.3 deep colour gimmick, and that his store doesn't sell any TVs capable of deep colour yet, and he told me the blu-ray player wouldn't work, at all, if I didn't buy hdmi 1.3 cables. I laughed in his face and left.

BTW HDMI is backward compatible.
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I just wanted to say well done! :D
 
The 360 is a 1.2 device anyway, doesn't do anything fancy over HDMI, and doesn't offer any complicated audio configuration options.

In short: you'll be fine with any $5 HDMI cable you can buy, basically.

Side Note: My 360 gives me the most pain in the ass handshaking issues with a close second going to my PS3 when it does that GD resolution change crap that it does. It makes the Netflix implementation so annoying I won't bother on my home theatre setup (in the living room it's fine, different TV)

Nothing that a power on and off of the receiver doesn't fix, but I basically think my Panasonic Plasma hates my Onkyo receiver.
 
Kahnvex said:
The 360 is a 1.2 device anyway, doesn't do anything fancy over HDMI, and doesn't offer any complicated audio configuration options.

In short: you'll be fine with any $5 HDMI cable you can buy, basically.

Side Note: My 360 gives me the most pain in the ass handshaking issues with a close second going to my PS3 when it does that GD resolution change crap that it does. It makes the Netflix implementation so annoying I won't bother on my home theatre setup (in the living room it's fine, different TV)

Nothing that a power on and off of the receiver doesn't fix, but I basically think my Panasonic Plasma hates my Onkyo receiver.
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And this is why HDMI sucks. We NEVER had those issues with Component, which has *plenty* of bandwidth for full 1080p, nor with optical connectors, which have PLENTY of bandwidth for 7.1 audio.

HDMI, pure and simple, is a product of the content companies wanting to control how you use the media you've purchased. In their attempt to control the minority who pirate, they've made life more difficult for everybody.
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
Actually, you're wrong, and I know for a fact you are. I have an HD set that's HDMI 1.3, which I got last December. I had a 6 month old DVD player that was HDMI 1.2, and the TV simply WOULD NOT work with the dvd player reliably. Meanwhile, my older HDTV with HDMI 1.2, works flawlessly with that dvd player. On the 1.3 set, playback of DVD's constantly cuts out and flashes a "sync error."

360's DO have HDMI errors when connected to a 1.3 set; I've verified it with my own set. It's fine with playback of games, but insert a movie to play upscaled and suddenly sync errors occur exactly like with the DVD player.

I have a buddy who's got both a PS3 and a 360, with an HDMI 1.3 TV and receiver. The PS3 plays fine with both; the 360 does not, when playing movies.

HDMI is a *disastrous* "standard" that doesn't even deserve the name Standard, because it's constantly changing.
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lol ur tv is broken

my TV is HDMI 1.3 and it works just fine with my xbox 360 which is 1.2
my Sony NS-75 Dvd player is original HDMI spec and it works just fine with my HDMI 1.3 TV
my PS3 which is HDMI 1.3 (same as TV) refuses to display anything above 1080p /24

my Sony SR-11 is also HDMI and works just fine with the TV

so if you are going to spout some bs, at least have the facts to back it up

The following provides an overview of major functionality added to each version of HDMI:

HDMI 1.1:

Support for DVD Audio.
HDMI 1.2:

Adds features and capabilities that increase HDMI's appeal for use in both the CE and PC industries. Specifically, the features and modifications for HDMI 1.2 include: Support for One Bit Audio format, such as SuperAudio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital), changes to offer better support for current and future PCs with HDMI outputs, including: availability of the widely-used HDMI Type A connector for PC sources and displays with full support for PC video formats, ability for PC sources to use their native RGB color space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space, requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support future low-voltage (i.e., AC-coupled) sources, such as those based on PCI Express I/O technology.
HDMI 1.2a:

Consumer Electronic Control (CEC) features and command sets and CEC compliance tests are now fully specified.
Creation of version 1.2a of the HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS), which includes a CEC Supplement. HDMI CTS 1.2a has been updated for technical consistency with HDMI Specification 1.2a as well as to the recently released HDMI Specification 1.2.
Significantly, CTS 1.2a contains additional cable and connector testing and Authorized Testing Center (ATC) submission requirements. Specifically, under CTS 1.2a, the Adopter shall submit for testing to the ATC any new HDMI cable whose length exceeds previously tested cables.
Additionally, HDMI Licensing, LLC will maintain a list of approved connectors. For a device to pass CTS 1.2a testing at an ATC, all connectors on such device must appear on the approved connector list. To add a connector to this list, the vendor must submit to the ATC or HDMI Licensing, LLC full and passing testing results.
HDMI 1.3:

Higher speed: HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.
Deep Color: HDMI 1.3 supports 10-bit, 12-bit and 16-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 8-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.
Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “x.v.Color™” (which is the consumer name describing the IEC 61966-2-4 xvYCC color standard), which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.
New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.
Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.
New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.
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Q. Are all of the new HDMI versions backward compatible with previous versions?
Yes, all HDMI versions are fully backward compatible with all previous versions.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#12
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
And this is why HDMI sucks. We NEVER had those issues with Component, which has *plenty* of bandwidth for full 1080p, nor with optical connectors, which have PLENTY of bandwidth for 7.1 audio.

HDMI, pure and simple, is a product of the content companies wanting to control how you use the media you've purchased. In their attempt to control the minority who pirate, they've made life more difficult for everybody.
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I'll agree that HDMI is more a product of content protection lobbying than a pure technical necessity, but after moving to a pure HDMI system on my theatre system, and leaving behind the snarl of cables that was 5 component cable peripherals and their accompanying toslink wires, I wouldn't want to go back.

I never had an issue with my Sony CRT HDTV/Onkyo receiver combo, which was a 1.1 TV. Moving to this Panasonic G10 plasma is what has caused the snag. I just think the TV is more sensitive to the mix of devices.

All said, I'd never go back, modest inconveniences aside. The PS3 is the most annoying one, because it makes my receiver click when it changes modes. The Receivers can be the biggest culprits in the handshaking loss game from what I understand.
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
And this is why HDMI sucks. We NEVER had those issues with Component, which has *plenty* of bandwidth for full 1080p, nor with optical connectors, which have PLENTY of bandwidth for 7.1 audio.

HDMI, pure and simple, is a product of the content companies wanting to control how you use the media you've purchased. In their attempt to control the minority who pirate, they've made life more difficult for everybody.
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Ehh wrong!

Component is 1080i max Optical is only 7.1 with Dolby Digital EX which no 360 games use.

Grab yourself another tinfoil hat because HDMI just works for me and many others.
 
Zachstar said:
Ehh wrong!

Component is 1080i max Optical is only 7.1 with Dolby Digital EX which no 360 games use.

Grab yourself another tinfoil hat because HDMI just works for me and many others.
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thats incorrect on the 1080i component statement...

Not many TV's ALLOWED the connection to pass 1080p through it, but on those that did 1080p was a possibility. i.e. the 360 will allow me to run 1080p to my gateway 24" monitor, but half the time the monitor freaks out when I'm switching inputs back and forth because it's a buggy ass gateway, so I don't.

There were many discussions about the 360 running games through 1080p but not unconverted movies, over component back when the dashboard update added 1080p and when the HD DVD attachment streeted.

The lack of 1080p component support is mostly an artificial lockout, but even if it were not, I'd still use HDMI for the cable management alone
 
You can get 1080p via component cables. Some early 1080p TV's wouldn't accept it, but it was the TV manufacturer, not the technology.
Also, opticals have the bandwidth for lots of different audio standards, the trick is that with DRM, no standards beyond EX were ever implimented. It's not doing to do lossless PCM, but then again - the 360 doesn't use lossless PCM or any lossless codecs to begin with.
In the case of the Xbox 360, it's only doing normal Dolby Digital and DTS...and the EX standards on DVD's. All of those will be absolutely 100% functional with a toslink cable + VGA.
The 360's HDMI implimentation was added after the fact and adds nothing other than a single cable solution. Want to see how problematic it has been, though? Google "360 HDMI won't output in 5.1"
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
lol ur tv is broken

my TV is HDMI 1.3 and it works just fine with my xbox 360 which is 1.2
my Sony NS-75 Dvd player is original HDMI spec and it works just fine with my HDMI 1.3 TV
my PS3 which is HDMI 1.3 (same as TV) refuses to display anything above 1080p /24

my Sony SR-11 is also HDMI and works just fine with the TV

so if you are going to spout some bs, at least have the facts to back it up

The following provides an overview of major functionality added to each version of HDMI:

HDMI 1.1:

Support for DVD Audio.
HDMI 1.2:

Adds features and capabilities that increase HDMI's appeal for use in both the CE and PC industries. Specifically, the features and modifications for HDMI 1.2 include: Support for One Bit Audio format, such as SuperAudio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital), changes to offer better support for current and future PCs with HDMI outputs, including: availability of the widely-used HDMI Type A connector for PC sources and displays with full support for PC video formats, ability for PC sources to use their native RGB color space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space, requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support future low-voltage (i.e., AC-coupled) sources, such as those based on PCI Express I/O technology.
HDMI 1.2a:

Consumer Electronic Control (CEC) features and command sets and CEC compliance tests are now fully specified.
Creation of version 1.2a of the HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS), which includes a CEC Supplement. HDMI CTS 1.2a has been updated for technical consistency with HDMI Specification 1.2a as well as to the recently released HDMI Specification 1.2.
Significantly, CTS 1.2a contains additional cable and connector testing and Authorized Testing Center (ATC) submission requirements. Specifically, under CTS 1.2a, the Adopter shall submit for testing to the ATC any new HDMI cable whose length exceeds previously tested cables.
Additionally, HDMI Licensing, LLC will maintain a list of approved connectors. For a device to pass CTS 1.2a testing at an ATC, all connectors on such device must appear on the approved connector list. To add a connector to this list, the vendor must submit to the ATC or HDMI Licensing, LLC full and passing testing results.
HDMI 1.3:

Higher speed: HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundation that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.
Deep Color: HDMI 1.3 supports 10-bit, 12-bit and 16-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 8-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.
Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “x.v.Color™” (which is the consumer name describing the IEC 61966-2-4 xvYCC color standard), which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.
New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.
Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allows devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.
New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.
Return to top



Q. Are all of the new HDMI versions backward compatible with previous versions?
Yes, all HDMI versions are fully backward compatible with all previous versions.

http://www.hdmi.org/learningcenter/faq.aspx#12
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Sorry, but EVERYTHING I said is FACT, whether you like it or not. We KNOW that they CLAIM all versions of HDMI are fully backward compatible, but the FACT is that it simply isn't true and enough people have had problems to demonstrate that. Your sole claim is that my TV is broken? BOTH of them? AND several friends' TV's, who've had problems with HDMI doing the EXACT same thing? Is that really your contention? Because that's pretty sad if so. I get that you're an HDMI fanboy, but manufacturer's claims are anything but guarantees.
 
HDMI fanboy.. lol ya sorry that it just works and its a single cable solution. I use HDMI 1.3 cables and they work fine. I can even use an HDMI to DVI to hook up to older non HDMI DVI displays.

Fact? What facts that your equipment is messed up so you come on here to tell us about it? Well I could care less really. HDMI works for me. Works for my parents. Works for my friends and people who I have assisted in setups. Cables are way cheaper than components and you dont have to pay for an optical cable on top of that.

HDMI wins..
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
Sorry, but EVERYTHING I said is FACT, whether you like it or not. We KNOW that they CLAIM all versions of HDMI are fully backward compatible, but the FACT is that it simply isn't true and enough people have had problems to demonstrate that. Your sole claim is that my TV is broken? BOTH of them? AND several friends' TV's, who've had problems with HDMI doing the EXACT same thing? Is that really your contention? Because that's pretty sad if so. I get that you're an HDMI fanboy, but manufacturer's claims are anything but guarantees.
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Going on several hundred HD home theater installations and set ups and have never encountered anything of the sort that your claiming that you and your friends have. I wouldn't rule out the power being supplied to your homes. If you live in an older neighborhood then you may have problems due to older wiring or improper grounds, but that is just a guess.

HDMI fanboy? That is a new one.
 
Climber said:
Going on several hundred HD home theater installations and set ups and have never encountered anything of the sort that your claiming that you and your friends have. I wouldn't rule out the power being supplied to your homes. If you live in an older neighborhood then you may have problems due to older wiring or improper grounds, but that is just a guess.

HDMI fanboy? That is a new one.
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LOL power has *nothing* to do with it. I've been involved with a lot of these setups, and yes, many work fine-but the fact is, many do not. HDMI is far, FAR from being a perfect solution or even a great solution-primarily thanks to its DRM.
 
Zachstar said:
HDMI fanboy.. lol ya sorry that it just works and its a single cable solution. I use HDMI 1.3 cables and they work fine. I can even use an HDMI to DVI to hook up to older non HDMI DVI displays.

Fact? What facts that your equipment is messed up so you come on here to tell us about it? Well I could care less really. HDMI works for me. Works for my parents. Works for my friends and people who I have assisted in setups. Cables are way cheaper than components and you dont have to pay for an optical cable on top of that.

HDMI wins..
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Yes, that's right, my two HDTV's and two separate DVD players are messed up, as are those of 4 different friends.

Sorry, HDMI doesn't win anything but "most overrated" award :)
 
DragonMasterAlex said:
LOL power has *nothing* to do with it. I've been involved with a lot of these setups, and yes, many work fine-but the fact is, many do not. HDMI is far, FAR from being a perfect solution or even a great solution-primarily thanks to its DRM.
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Whatever you say there big guy. I do this for a living and like I've said in the last 8 years I have yet to encounter a single episode like you describe. I've had faulty cables and I've had brown power issues, but never backwards compatible HDMI issues,
 
Climber said:
Whatever you say there big guy. I do this for a living and like I've said in the last 8 years I have yet to encounter a single episode like you describe. I've had faulty cables and I've had brown power issues, but never backwards compatible HDMI issues,
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No offense, and with all respect to your experience, I find that a little difficult to believe, given that I've not only experienced issues, but know several people who have. All it takes is a visit to AVS forums to see that I'm far, FAR from being alone in having had these kinds of issues with HDMI.

The idea of a single cable solution is fantastic. However, I think we'd have been far better off going with some standard that isn't a moving target.
 
Just about everyone else has standardized to HDMI. If your issues had even HALF truth to them there would be crap on a CNN news scale. I have never had issues others I know havent had issues. Matter of fact many issues seem to "Appear" in communities trying to push Displayport... Interesting...

But don't come here with your "HDMI Fanboy" crap again. If a solution does not work for you even tho it works for most other people. It does not make them fanboys.

Matters little anyway the OP was about using a 1.3 cable on a 1.2 360... The answer is yes. And go ahead and buy a 5 dollar cable (Somthing like this http://www.amazon.com/Eforcity-Digi...4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258075601&sr=8-4) and just try it as it makes a hell of alot better sense than a 20 dollar component cable and optical.
 
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DragonMasterAlex said:
Sorry, but EVERYTHING I said is FACT, whether you like it or not. We KNOW that they CLAIM all versions of HDMI are fully backward compatible, but the FACT is that it simply isn't true and enough people have had problems to demonstrate that. Your sole claim is that my TV is broken? BOTH of them? AND several friends' TV's, who've had problems with HDMI doing the EXACT same thing? Is that really your contention? Because that's pretty sad if so. I get that you're an HDMI fanboy, but manufacturer's claims are anything but guarantees.
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uhm the link i provided is from the people who continue to develop the standard........

fact is I have no issues with different versions of HDMI outside of my PS3 and the PS3 issues are well documented. (visit playstation.com and go into the ps3 forum).

my TVs are a samsung 42" panel, and a LG 32" panel. My parents have 2 samsung panels and my mother in law has a 52" Sony panel. both of my xbox 360s work just fine on ALL of them.

Maybe instead of pouting saying HDMI sucks you should get off of your ass and see if there is a firmware update that addresses the issue for your panel. Also when you switch between panels, you really should reset the 360's video system.
 
It's probably worth noting that the people that are working on the standard itself MIGHT be putting a spin on things and making claims that make their product look good. Just a thought. It's like linking to MS's website when addressing the RROD.
Yes, I think DMA is exaggerating a little, but then again it seems like everyone's argument is coming down to "It works fine for me and my friend so that must mean it's that way for everyone!"
Check AVS forums and you'll see that there certainly are a fair number of issues...but it does usually work pretty well.
 
Zachstar said:
Just about everyone else has standardized to HDMI. If your issues had even HALF truth to them there would be crap on a CNN news scale. I have never had issues others I know havent had issues. Matter of fact many issues seem to "Appear" in communities trying to push Displayport... Interesting...

But don't come here with your "HDMI Fanboy" crap again. If a solution does not work for you even tho it works for most other people. It does not make them fanboys.

Matters little anyway the OP was about using a 1.3 cable on a 1.2 360... The answer is yes. And go ahead and buy a 5 dollar cable (Somthing like this http://www.amazon.com/Eforcity-Digi...4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258075601&sr=8-4) and just try it as it makes a hell of alot better sense than a 20 dollar component cable and optical.
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As I said: I've had issues, I know other people who've had issues, and a quick visit to AVS and other forums about audio/video stuff reveals LOTS of people having issues. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean "it just works, for everyone, all the time". That's an IDIOTIC position to even take.

And then of course, there's the fact that the HDMI folks themselves ADMIT THERE ARE PROBLEMS.

http://www.hdmi.org/pdf/whitepaper/AvoidingHandshakeProblems.pdf

From this article:

"With the advent of affordable 1080p displays, 8-channel 192 kHz sound systems and high-definition A/V sources, consumers are switching to HDMI & DVI uncompressed digital A/V interfaces en masse. Why?

Because in many cases these interfaces are the only means to obtain protected content and to maintain pristine quality across long signal chains.

But there’s a hitch. HDMI & DVI have a companion high-definition content protection (HDCP) system that sometimes leaves authorized consumers in mute, watching a blank screen, blinking video, or snow while being held hostage by a bug known as the “HDCP handshake problem.”
In this article, we’ll review the key issues surrounding this problem and introduce you to some rules and tools that’ll help you keep your HDMI and DVI design out of trouble."

The issue is not imagined, it's DOCUMENTED. It's FACT. Deal with it.
 
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I have 4 hdmi devices hooked to my tv and since I only have 3 hdmi inputs im using a 1 in 5 out hdmi switch box( 1.3 compatible it says) and I have no issues with the Xbox or PS3 even tho they are both using the switch box and the cheapest Cables I could get,maybe Im lucky but Im sure I'm mixing a couple of the so called standards on my set up, with zero issues so far. I dont really think the 1.x of the cable really matters unless you need one of the features of the newer standard.
 
quimby999 said:
I have 4 hdmi devices hooked to my tv and since I only have 3 hdmi inputs im using a 1 in 5 out hdmi switch box( 1.3 compatible it says) and I have no issues with the Xbox or PS3 even tho they are both using the switch box and the cheapest Cables I could get,maybe Im lucky but Im sure I'm mixing a couple of the so called standards on my set up, with zero issues so far. I dont really think the 1.x of the cable really matters unless you need one of the features of the newer standard.
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Well you do want to use 1.2 atleast but it is far more expensive to get a 1.2 or 1.1 cable these days. 1.3 is everywhere and it matters little on where the cord comes from. Eforcity is many times cheaper than monster and it works EXACTLY the same.
 
its not even 5 dollars for a 10 foooter on amazon I just bought one there for 82 cents and 2.85 shipping awesome deal if you ask me
 
quimby999 said:
its not even 5 dollars for a 10 foooter on amazon I just bought one there for 82 cents and 2.85 shipping awesome deal if you ask me
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And that is why it is almost stupid not to try it anyway if you have stuff that supports it.

Component or VGA cables are expensive and seriously so if you try to go long distances. HDMI is cheap as chips (Literally as chips are close to 3 and 4 USD now) Just grab one in a distance you need and plug the sucker in. Now for blu ray to take care that it is 1.3 but that is in almost every title of HDMI cables being sold on Amazon
 
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