Quad-Core

[Samuraiguy]

K8L

It's going to plow the conroe processors.

Discuss what you think about this vs. conroe processors

 

[2gigs]

While, i think its unnecessary, but it may be useful if game developers decide to utilize it. Many video editors and other media people will be on this though like flies on poo

 

[Nacho]

I would use them yes.. not necessarily in my own pc, of course not.. completely un-used.

Use in a large scale server farm, mass computing projects, sure, would be very useful when it comes to most power per rack U of space.

 

[JackPack]

K8L is kind of boring since it's only dual-core for AM2.

Kentsfield will be quad.

 

[DangerIsGo]

Just think: Encoding 2 movies, playing a game, and still have a core to spare

 

[duby229]

K8L is kind of boring since it's only dual-core for AM2.

Kentsfield will be quad.

eehh wrong. You must be thinkin of REV. F

K8L will be quad core. With six issue floating point per core, and a 5 or so MB L3 (zram) cache, in addition to one MB of L2 per core.

Also Rumars are that it will be using the new HTT3 spec. Also an improved MOESI. Also some major improvements to how the INT units handle the reservation station. Also how macro-ops are scheduled will be completely different. Rumor has it that AMD's three issue int units will kill Intel's four issue units. In addition to a six issue FP units.

 

[brianoh]

Just think: Encoding 2 movies, playing a game, and still have a core to spare

and completely unneccesary. seriously who multitasks, and doesn't have enough time in a day to do all that?

 

[JackPack]

eehh wrong. You must be thinkin of REV. F

K8L will be quad core. With six issue floating point per core, and a 5 or so MB L3 (zram) cache, in addition to one MB of L2 per core.

No, I'm looking at this: http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/am2-4800-1.htm

All that Z-RAM, L3, quad-core, etc. is for Socket F Opterons. K8L for consumer desktops will be dual-core.

 

[DangerIsGo]

and completely unneccesary. seriously who multitasks, and doesn't have enough time in a day to do all that?

Unnecessary? Id love to have a dual or quad core. Sometimes I encode movies, people download from me off my DC client, run an instance of folding, and play a game at the same time would be great for 4 cores.

 

[morningreis]

I could use 4 cores for sure. Beyond 4 is a bit much.

 

[YARDofSTUF]

Dual Cores are great, but unless games are gonna use all 4, I see no interest in quad core for the home market. Theres not alot of times I'd be playing a game, burnign a CD, encoding a video, and compressing mp3s all at once.

Best use for quad core would be F@H.

 

[2gigs]

Yes, i htink this is tageting the workstation market, anyone agree?

 

[toddm27]

definatly more than the average user would need, dual cores are just starting to get optimized for gaming, it will be some time before game developers utilize this I think

 

[quadnad]

What is needed is developers making multithreaded games. Then all of a sudden we'll have huge increases in performance, and all this "who can really take advantage of four cores?" stuff will stop, and we can enjoy the performance of four cores working our games.

 

[drizzt81]

K8L

It's going to plow the conroe processors.

Discuss what you think about this vs. conroe processors

I will believe your statement when I see it. I think that it has extremely limited merit to discuss whether a part that is ~1 year away will 'plow through' a part that is ~5 months away. Talk about uncertainty.

Also Rumars are that it will be using the new HTT3 spec.

nice, but aren't those just rumors? And who is Rumar?

 

[perplex]

Wouldn't the HDD have a hard time coping with using quad-core for multitasking? For example; encoding 3 movies and RARing.

 

[covertclocker]

By then there will be a 40GB iRam in every computer, a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot!

 

[FreiDOg]

K8L

Is interesting considering your title 'Quad core.' K8L is not specificially a quad core chip, it is a K8 chip with a second 64 bit FPU on the die.

It's going to plow the conroe processors.

Anothering interesting statement since: we have not seen a K8L, working or otherwise, AMD has not given any solid performance indications, we don't when it's even coming to the desktop - other than in 2007.

Discuss what you think about this vs. conroe processors

You want to compare a chip that's had a few ES samples benchmarked (check xtremesystems forums), with impressive results, against a chip that is a phantom, it doesn't exist yet in any meaningful way to us.
Yawn.
People should get banned for starting threads like this.

 

[quadnad]

Is interesting considering your title 'Quad core.' K8L is not specificially a quad core chip, it is a K8 chip with a second 64 bit FPU on the die.

link?
i dunno...i didn't do anything more than type "k8l" into google, but that was the first result. maybe the k8l aren't ALL quad core, but apparently there will be.

 

[metallicafan]

Wouldn't the HDD have a hard time coping with using quad-core for multitasking? For example; encoding 3 movies and RARing.

Yes this would be significantly hard drive limited I would think.

I'll wait to see how AMD's transition to 65nm goes before speculating about the performance of any future chips beyond the Windsor chips.

Will Vista be 64 bit only or will there be 32 and 64bit versions?

 

[xonik]

Considering the vast installed base of 32-bit platforms and applications, you better believe Vista will have both 32- and 64-bit support

 

[FreiDOg]

link?
i dunno...i didn't do anything more than type "k8l" into google, but that was the first result. maybe the k8l aren't ALL quad core, but apparently there will be.

There will be quad core K8L based chips, however unlike say Kentsfield, K8L is not specifically a quad core part. It is simply an upgraded K8.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2006Jan/bch20060224034964.htm

Will Vista be 64 bit only or will there be 32 and 64bit versions?

Vista supports both 32 and 64 bit hardware. But unlike with XP, there are no 32 and 64 bit versions. You buy a copy of Vista, it detects your hardware and installs the correct binaries. At least that's how I'm told it works. (Not a Beta tester)

 

[Digital Viper-X-]

the amount of cores that is neccessary is basically up to programmers, quad cores could be great with the right software =p

 

[drizzt81]

You want to compare a chip that's had a few ES samples benchmarked (check xtremesystems forums), with impressive results, against a chip that is a phantom, it doesn't exist yet in any meaningful way to us.
Yawn.
People should get banned for starting threads like this.

QFT. I completely agree.

 

[duby229]

No, I'm looking at this: http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/am2-4800-1.htm

All that Z-RAM, L3, quad-core, etc. is for Socket F Opterons. K8L for consumer desktops will be dual-core.

That is a rev Fcore NOT K8L.

K8L will be quad core with 5 or MB of l3 AND alot of other major improvements. And will be made available to the consumer market in the first half of 07. Sure it will be released on Opteron first, but it will be made available to the consumer market next year.

K8L is kind of boring since it's only dual-core for AM2.

Kentsfield will be quad.

See here, it was you that brought it up not me.I'm just correcting some misinfo that your spreading.

 

[duby229]

What is needed is developers making multithreaded games. Then all of a sudden we'll have huge increases in performance, and all this "who can really take advantage of four cores?" stuff will stop, and we can enjoy the performance of four cores working our games.

Agreed. I am reminded of a time when someone once said, "640k should be enough for anyone"

 

[freeloader1969]

You want to compare a chip that's had a few ES samples benchmarked (check xtremesystems forums), with impressive results, against a chip that is a phantom, it doesn't exist yet in any meaningful way to us.

So why is everyone comparing the Conroe to the A64? Conroe is phantomware right now, can you purchase one? Are they widely available? No. So what's the difference.

 

[boredguyatcomp]

ekk! all the issues with dual core havent been wroked out yet and they are already thinking quadcore..wow. when is this supposed to be released?

 

[xonik]

So why is everyone comparing the Conroe to the A64? Conroe is phantomware right now, can you purchase one? Are they widely available? No. So what's the difference.

He's not disagreeing with you! FreiDOg is pointing out the absurdity of the popular comparison between AMD and Intel's upcoming products.

 

[Obi_Kwiet]

Unless games start using more cores, anything beyond duel care is useless for the average user.

 

[GoldenTiger]

What is needed is developers making multithreaded games. Then all of a sudden we'll have huge increases in performance, and all this "who can really take advantage of four cores?" stuff will stop, and we can enjoy the performance of four cores working our games.

I could EASILY take advantage of four cores today with a single-threaded game. A MMORPG dual-logged (2 cores used, one per copy), my antivirus/firewall/antispyware/background programs could use another, and a fourth could be used for downloading/tv-server for the home/video encoding/anything else. Once games start using two cores each, I could easily fill up four cores without doing anything but running any single game, my background programs (AV etc.) and an encode/tv-recorder. As it is, dual-core sometimes just isn't enough for me ! Bring it on!

 

[boredguyatcomp]

I could EASILY take advantage of four cores today with a single-threaded game. A MMORPG dual-logged (2 cores used, one per copy), my antivirus/firewall/antispyware/background programs could use another, and a fourth could be used for downloading/tv-server for the home/video encoding/anything else. Once games start using two cores each, I could easily fill up four cores without doing anything but running any single game, my background programs (AV etc.) and an encode/tv-recorder. As it is, dual-core sometimes just isn't enough for me ! Bring it on!

dual core is so enough for me!

 

[JackPack]

That is a rev Fcore NOT K8L.

K8L will be quad core with 5 or MB of l3 AND alot of other major improvements. And will be made available to the consumer market in the first half of 07. Sure it will be released on Opteron first, but it will be made available to the consumer market next year.

You didn't look at the roadmap, did you?

Let me try again: http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/am2-4800-1.htm

See where it says "Brisbane"? I'm not claiming that there will not be a quad-core K8L, but for AM2 desktops, there won't be.

 

[duby229]

As I said....

K8L will be quad core with 5 or MB of l3 AND alot of other major improvements. And will be made available to the consumer market in the first half of 07. Sure it will be released on Opteron first, but it will be made available to the consumer market next year.

I dont think that site is correct. Just going with what I've read elsewhere. I could be wrong, but only time will tell. Besides that I cant ever remember once that, that site actually had accurate roadmaps. Remember the 2400+? Remember more recently the presscott? And even more recently the yonah?

They were wrong on all of them.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30042

AMD is not talking about releasing QC parts until G, but sources tell us if sales start flagging, or if Intel starts kicking them around, it could be pulled in to F this year. It is a marketing thing, just like DDR2 on E was, and of late, AMD seems to be very good at timing.

http://www.techbuilder.org/news/174300199

AMD had said previously it expected to release a quad-core part by 2008. Intel, on the other hand, recently released a roadmap that called for quad-core in 2007.

Nathan Brookwood, an analyst with Insight 64, said he believes if AMD "gets aggressive" it could release quad-core in 2006. "It depends on how quickly they can bring up the 65 nanometer processes," he said.

There is ALOT more where that came from. Just do a simple google search for "AMD 2007 roadmap"

 

[metallicafan]

I could EASILY take advantage of four cores today with a single-threaded game. A MMORPG dual-logged (2 cores used, one per copy), my antivirus/firewall/antispyware/background programs could use another, and a fourth could be used for downloading/tv-server for the home/video encoding/anything else. Once games start using two cores each, I could easily fill up four cores without doing anything but running any single game, my background programs (AV etc.) and an encode/tv-recorder. As it is, dual-core sometimes just isn't enough for me ! Bring it on!

You need an entire core to run your AV, and Spyware in the background? Sure anyone can "use" four cores by just booting a computer and loading 4+ background apps but thats not really "using" the cores in the sense most of us are talking about.

 

[freeloader1969]

Four cores all running Folding@Home would suit me just fine!

 

[Slartibartfast]

Blah blah blah, four cores unnecessary, yatta yatta yatta.

I'll take 2 please!

 

[brighton]

lol what a bad question to ask, WTH?

 

[Ockie]

Quad core, come to pappa!

 

[Cheeze It]

Once games start using more than one core...then 4 cores becomes a feasible option..

Kinda got me thinking. Does a wholly multithreaded game running on a dual core be able to push quad-SLI to where the video cards are the bottleneck....or would it be the quad core...