FYI: The PS3 is clearly line-doubling a single field for any 480i PS1/PS2 games you try to play. This is a horrible way to mangle video, and is frankly just blatantly amateurish. Why they aren't just outputting the 480i signal for PS1/PS2 games that support only that I'll never know. Someone made a really retarded mistake, and while one would hope it can be fixed with a simple firmware patch, that has been Sony's response to lots of things (BluRay scaling issues) and has yet to happen after 2 or 3 such patches.
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PS3 Backwards Compat Causing Jaggies?
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you go right ahead. we will laugh. no one gives a damn how big sony is over there, the world does not run on japan. sony can have bogs of success over there and still fail.PWMK2 said:
and dont try to convince m$ to go into movies. we need less coporate congolmerates stamping out the same damn movie every couple months.
Your sig says you have a Sony MP3 player, a Sony laptop, a Sony PS3, and a Sony phone, which indicates to me a tiny bit of bias in this matter. Forgive me for not being so sanguine as you, and not putting my total trust in High Lord Sony.Rash said:
The BC the PS3 has is clearly better than the 360's, if only because of the greater number of compatible titles, but it's also apparent that it was rushed in its own way. The compatibility isn't nearly as good as the PS2's was, the video output is using a bad scaler (software or hardware is immaterial), and you can't use dance pads or guitars. Those are some major oversights, and it's not unreasonable to call Sony out on them. I mean, I can't play the PS1 Final Fantasy games - how do you miss that?
You don't know much of anything about company size. You seem to equate their presence in your life with size.PWMK2 said:
Microsoft is somewhere around #59 on the list of companies by revenue. Sony is #30, behind Japanese companies Toyota (#11 and has almost three times the annual revenue of Sony), Nippon (#19), Hitachi (#24), Matsushita (#25), and Honda (#27).
Sony is #82 on the Forbes 2000 list, behind Japanese companies Toyota (#8), Nippon (#30), Honda (#49), Nissan (#51), and Tokyo Electric Power (#72). They also trail Microsoft, who is #31.
Microsoft's Market Value is $287 billion. Sony's is $38 billion. Microsoft's profits are $8.8 billion. Sony's are $0.98 billion. Microsoft's assets are $85 billion Sony's assets are $68.4 billion.
Sony is seventh among Japanese companies on the Forbes Global 500 list.
erwos said:
holy shit. i don't know if i've ever actually read someone validly using that word before.
bravo.
More on topic, I agree with your post. It has a larger library of titles, but the job was very rushed. Maybe Sony will release a firmware update to address this before that March one listed in another post.
quadnad said:
Just because the CPU has tonnes of reserve power, dosnt mean the GPU does.
The PS3 GPU dosnt have any imbedded memory like the x360gpu. So 4XAA with no performance hit may not be possible.
And dosnt the ps3 currently have a ps2 in it? Im sure that is the case right now, and they said somthing about moving it over to software at a later date. If thats the case than sony dropped the ball somewhere. And if they move to a software emulator, you can be the same problems that MS is dealing with will come up with ps3. Games that worked fine on the ps3s with ps2 chips inside may not work the same with an emulator.
MaxKool said:
I understand that, but I'm not talking about the CPU. I would find it hard to believe that the G71 in the PS3 can't plop some AA on some old PS2 titles. If my old 6800GT could do that in Doom 3, Source, and Jupiter engined games, then G71 can do it. You don't need EDRAM to apply AA without a significant performance hit.
In my opinion it is probably just a question of some kind of firmware update...I just hope for the sake of PS3 owners that it arrives sooner rather than later...
It isn't that easy, but you're clearly more of a PC gamer, so your misconceptions about this are forgiveable. Console games are generally hard-coded to run at a particular resolution and AA scheme, and their rendering code reflects this. If you could just tell them "you're running at 480P, 4x AA!", you'd get lots of rendering issues, because the code underneath isn't designed to handle arbitrary image settings. For more info about this particular phenomena, go look at some reviews of the HDTV Xploder product that was released not too long ago.quadnad said:
A reasonable compromise would be a good software upscaler, sort of like how DScaler works. More complex upscaling algorithms can indeed prevent degradation to some extent, as anyone who's run their console through DScaler can attest. (I'm one of those guys who hates upscaled DVDs, so take it with that qualification.)
erwos said:
I thought that it would be more difficult, and the anti aliasing suggestion was just something I could come up with as a fix if it could be applied to entire scenes. It seems like something much more major is off though, as that level of fidelity should be reserved for the original StarFox.
I'll just quote myself again:
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kumquat said:
Um, NO, on the Forbes 2000 list, Sony is #107, Microsoft is #55.List page 2 (Sony, MS is on page 1)
Sony's market value is $47bil, Microsoft's is $279bil. Your point was right, your #'s are off. These are current as of right now.
Anyway, Microsoft is MUCH bigger, MUCH stronger, and MUCH richer than Sony ever has been (and given their current madness, likely ever will be).
Sorry, looks like I was looking at the '04 rankings. So those were 2004 numbers.DragonMasterAlex said:
The first returned link on a Google search for "Forbes 2000" is the '04 site. Go figure.
Sony is currently 8th among Japanese companies on the Forbes 2000 list.
Thanks.
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Well it is 5 years later...J-Mag said:
The18thLetter said:
Actually its the 'thing to do nowadays' because people are FINALLY waking up from the Sony hypnosis and seeing the company for its true colors. Its the 'thing to do nowadays' because its 100% based on factual information.
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It was a joke, she got older. I wasn't sure it would work without my dry Brit voice putting it across.J-Mag said:
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http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=190
Update of sorts. I read through the PS forum post - lots of good detective work going on there.
Update of sorts. I read through the PS forum post - lots of good detective work going on there.
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Martyr said:
Spongebob owns.
I know this is old, but I did a bunch of testing to fiddle with this. I've tried Composite, Component, and HDMI cables on my PS3 with FFX, and there's nothing I can do to make it look ~right~ on an HDTV. Has there been any word from Sony about a fix for this?
Going to test it on an SDTV as soon as I get a chance, see if that is also fubar or actually usable.
Going to test it on an SDTV as soon as I get a chance, see if that is also fubar or actually usable.
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Still no news. Sadly changing your TV wont help as it's screwed at the PS3, not later on.
I don't know if you could set your PS3 to display 480i to stop the post-processing... worth a try?
I don't know if you could set your PS3 to display 480i to stop the post-processing... worth a try?
all right folks, we have a winner, and a solution.
You'd better hope you have composite / s-video in.
Simply put, over HDMI or Component, you're going to hit the issue. If you treat your HDTV like an SDTV and hook the PS3 up with the cables it comes with, boom, you get fine PS2/PS1 playback, but without the high quality output you'd hope for, since you're back on Composite/whatever. Sucks, don't it? I've played the opening sequence to FFX 10 times now, 5 on my PS2, and 5 on my PS3, and they're almost identical between the two, except the PS2 is on component so it's clearer. No jaggies though.
I'm going to go buy an S-video cable for it, since that'll look a ~bit~ better than the crappy composite output, at least, but this is sad.
You'd better hope you have composite / s-video in.
Simply put, over HDMI or Component, you're going to hit the issue. If you treat your HDTV like an SDTV and hook the PS3 up with the cables it comes with, boom, you get fine PS2/PS1 playback, but without the high quality output you'd hope for, since you're back on Composite/whatever. Sucks, don't it? I've played the opening sequence to FFX 10 times now, 5 on my PS2, and 5 on my PS3, and they're almost identical between the two, except the PS2 is on component so it's clearer. No jaggies though.
I'm going to go buy an S-video cable for it, since that'll look a ~bit~ better than the crappy composite output, at least, but this is sad.