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PS3 Backwards Compat Causing Jaggies?

Thats pretty sad. Honestly the PS3 is pretty lame right now. Its sort of like the PSP, initially it launched with no real good games and without many features. I'm using my PS3 more for blue-ray then gaming right now.
 
^^ And they say that blu-ray is likely to flop compared to HD-DVD now...you may end up with a next-gen betamax there.
 
wait wha? are those shots actually accurate? can anyone confirm that?

that seems unbelievable...I wouldn't expect the PS3 to 'upscale,' but I sure as hell would have hoped it would play at the same quality level...

I suppose PS3 owners can expect a firmware update to address that at some point.
 
wow, what a horrible fuck up. The video says it could be fixed with a simple firmware update. I remember reading about backwards compatabilty problems on the PS3 months ago. To the point that they were contemplating just sticking a PS2 in there. Doesn anybody know, technically, if this really is something that could be fixed easily?
 
pigpen said:
wow, what a horrible fuck up. The video says it could be fixed with a simple firmware update. I remember reading about backwards compatabilty problems on the PS3 months ago. To the point that they were contemplating just sticking a PS2 in there. Doesn anybody know, technically, if this really is something that could be fixed easily?
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Although I don't know how complex the coding is for each of these games, wouldn't is just be possible to add AA to the games? The PS3 has gobs of power on reserve compared to the PS2, so I would assume that they could enable 4xAA without any performance hit...
 
quadnad said:
Although I don't know how complex the coding is for each of these games, wouldn't is just be possible to add AA to the games? The PS3 has gobs of power on reserve compared to the PS2, so I would assume that they could enable 4xAA without any performance hit...
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Well, i guess it depends on whether the emulation is software mode or not
 
Yeah, it's true. I've seen it myself. It's sharper and therefore just causes more jaggies.
It's not horrifyingly bad up to the point where everything has spikes coming out of it, but just think of it as un-aliased games. It's really not that serious, and I don't understand why everyone always cries at it in games.
Are the jaggies going to kill you in your sleep?

A good 90% of the games on my PC I play with no AA anyway (mainly due to the 1680x1050 resolution). It's really not that big of a deal to me.
But hey, if it's really that much of a big deal for y'all... then don't buy one or use a PS1/PS2 to play your classic games.

No one bitches about not being able to play half of the original Xbox games on the 360, do they?
Smh.
 
The18thLetter said:
No one bitches about not being able to play half of the original Xbox games on the 360, do they?
Smh.
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Nope, but it's fun to hate on Sony right now.
 
The18thLetter said:
Yeah, it's true. I've seen it myself. It's sharper and therefore just causes more jaggies.
It's not horrifyingly bad up to the point where everything has spikes coming out of it, but just think of it as un-aliased games. It's really not that serious, and I don't understand why everyone always cries at it in games.
Are the jaggies going to kill you in your sleep?
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You notice the same thing going from composite cables to component ones on the wii with a big tv (~50"+). The fuzzy output somewhat blurs the lines, whereas the sharper, crisper output also brings out the jaggies that are really there but you couldn't see before.

This seem like nothing more than something for anti-sony !!!!!!s to think about late at night when they're all alone if Kirby or Samus isn't doing it for them.
 
The18thLetter said:
A good 90% of the games on my PC I play with no AA anyway (mainly due to the 1680x1050 resolution). It's really not that big of a deal to me.
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Gaming at 16x10 with no AA looks a helluva lot better than that. I mean jesus christ, even the logo looks atrocious. It looks similar to going from a significantly higher resolution and dropping it way way down....

Spaceman_Spiff said:
You notice the same thing going from composite cables to component ones on the wii with a big tv (~50"+).
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Except that with this apparently it doesn't matter what cables you use for either the PS3 or PS2.

It just seems like something so weird that they might "overlook" the fact that all the older games look like a pile of shit. Hopefully some day Sony releases a fix for that..
 
The18thLetter said:
No one bitches about not being able to play half of the original Xbox games on the 360, do they?
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Did you even see the post I started the thread with? lol

Ignoring that... This isn't cables or screens. Go to the playstation forums and have a look. Those that aren't blissful in f@nb0y land are pretty pissed off about this and I don't blame then. Obviously the problem they're having is that the hardcore fans are giving them a hard time for daring to state that there might be a problem. Personally I hope this can be fixed and long term I'd like them to move to emulated backwards compatibility with some AA etc.
 
I'm really not sure why this is happening. The PS3 actually has PS2 hardware in it - in THIS shot you can clearly see the EE+GS on a single chip (used in slim ps2) on the PS3 motherboard. I don't understand why they are having compatibility and video issues.
 
Liekomg said:
I'm really not sure why this is happening. The PS3 actually has PS2 hardware in it - in THIS shot you can clearly see the EE+GS on a single chip (used in slim ps2) on the PS3 motherboard. I don't understand why they are having compatibility and video issues.
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It must be that they are feeding its video across the PS3's video subsystem and doing so converts it a few times giving the messy end result. :eek:
 
the scaler seems to be grabbing a low-res image from the ps2 system, and then doing a bad job upscaling it. meaning instead of 480i or whatever it normaling puts out, its grabbing it at like 300x200 or whatever the correct ratio is. maybe they didnt use a fast enough bus to xfer the full image? or the scaler is asking for the wrong image?
 
You would think that sometime during testing (they do that, right?) someone at Sony would have seen this and thought to their self "hey, this looks like crap."

Then again, I'm sure that in the big scheme of things for the PS3 this isn't exactly a huge issue, and they probably have more meaningful problems to iron out. It's not like they are having any problems getting the PS3s off the shelf :D
 
The18thLetter said:
Yeah, it's true. I've seen it myself. It's sharper and therefore just causes more jaggies.
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Watching the video, this is *not* a lack of blurring on the PS3. It's doing a shitty job with the video, end of story.
 
whrswoldo said:
You would think that sometime during testing (they do that, right?) someone at Sony would have seen this and thought to their self "hey, this looks like crap."
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I agree with you, and I'm sure that issue did come up. I wonder if it was an issue of "no time now," and they plan to fix it later..
 
The18thLetter said:
Basically.
It's seems like it's the thing to do nowadays...
Sheep.
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To be fair, this time last year the hate was on MS for the 360. It wasn't *quite* as bad, but then, they hadn't given the 360 *nearly* the hype Sony's given PS3. Hell, if you believed all the hype, PS3'd induce spontaneous orgasms while simultaneously saving your soul, reserving a spot for you in Heaven, complete with 72 virgins sans body-bombs.

This is perhaps the biggest case of over-promise, under-deliver that the game industry has *ever* seen. It was bound to blow up in their face. What else could it possibly do?
 
The18thLetter said:
No one bitches about not being able to play half of the original Xbox games on the 360, do they?
Smh.
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Maybe because Microsoft's solution actually makes the games look better :rolleyes:

It isn't just a matter of aliasing, either. There are significant graphical glitches beyond that. Many games look pixelated and distorted, despite being 3D.

It's amusing that you call us sheep, considering you're running around and defending a company that has basically spit in the face of consumers at every turn. Feel free to criticize others as "sheep" when you start thinking for yourself instead of heading the damage control for Sony.

Sony has painted themselves into this corner. Only the hardest of the hardcore loyalists can possibly place this massive backlash of criticism on anyone other than Sony themselves.
 
Look at this MOB mentality... Ohhh... :confused: Every other day it's SONY this and SONY that... Why does everyone always bash SONY? Must be being patriotic or these xbox geeks trying to justify their purchase...

Ps3 has ps2 chip in it... People try to play ps2 games on a huge TV and that's what happens... Sorry it's not emulation like xbox 360 does to xbox games... So you don't get high definition out of your old games yet you get more compatibility and no speed problems than xbox 360 will...

I looked at the video and it doesn't look anything different other than running on a different graphics or monitor on the ps3...
 
Marvelous said:
People try to play ps2 games on a huge TV and that's what happens... Sorry it's not emulation like xbox 360 does to xbox games... So you don't get high definition out of your old games...

I looked at the video and it doesn't look anything different other than running on a different graphics on the ps3...
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.... The video was using *the same TV*.

There's no excuse whatsoever for PS2 games looking worse when running on a PS3 than a PS2. End of story.
 
kumquat said:
.... The video was using *the same TV*.

There's no excuse whatsoever for PS2 games looking worse when running on a PS3 than a PS2. End of story.
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LOL... :confused: :rolleyes: ;) :mad: How do you know cause internet guy said so?

Ps3 is different hardware... It's not supposed to look exactly the same..
 
kumquat said:
.... The video was using *the same TV*.

There's no excuse whatsoever for PS2 games looking worse when running on a PS3 than a PS2. End of story.
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qft...

it doesn't have to look better, but for god's sake at least maintain the quality. don't do what appears to be chopping the resolution in half and removing any sort of AA there may have been.

Marvelous said:
Ps3 is different hardware... It's not supposed to look exactly the same..
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wft? are you serious?
 
Marvelous said:
Ps3 is different hardware... It's not supposed to look exactly the same..
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That's not an excuse.

I wouldn't even call that backwards compatible. It's like a bad emulator.
 
kumquat said:
That's not an excuse.

I wouldn't even call that backwards compatible. It's like a bad emulator.
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Yet another example of PS3's Modis Operandi: Overhype, Under-deliver. It's so far managed to do this across the board, unilaterally, in *every* category. Definitely the most pathetic console launch *ever*, and it's clear that PS3 is half-baked and not finished. The sad part is all the *Alpha testers* who paid $600 for the "privilege".
 
kumquat said:
That's not an excuse.

I wouldn't even call that backwards compatible. It's like a bad emulator.
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That's what xbox 360 does emulate on to their new hardware... PS3 doesn't do all that maybe have a different filter all together since it is running on new hardware and you guys knew this already and everyday it's SONY bash time... No one cares except for the same people and your hate crew trying to recruit more people to hate SONY... Why do you hate SONY so much? What have they done to you except for bring you Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Gran Turismo, Tekken, Virtual Fighters?

If you don't like SONY don't buy their products and stick to your xbox... I for one don't care and I want to play some xbox, sony, and nintendo games regardless of your SONYHATECREW...
 
Marvelous said:
That's what xbox 360 does emulate on to their new hardware... PS3 doesn't do all that maybe have a different filter all together since it is running on new hardware and you guys knew this already and everyday it's SONY bash time... No one cares except for the same people and your hate crew trying to recruit more people to hate SONY... Why do you hate SONY so much? What have they done to you except for bring you Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Gran Turismo, Tekken, Virtual Fighters?

If you don't like SONY don't buy their products and stick to your xbox... I for one don't care and I want to play some xbox, sony, and nintendo games regardless of your SONYHATECREW...
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i don't think they started all those series...
 
kumquat said:
That's not an excuse.

I wouldn't even call that backwards compatible. It's like a bad emulator.
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Your absolutely right, its a bad emulator, it will probably be fixed real soon, and when it does get fixed you will all still bang on about it for a few years, thats the sad thing about the users in this forum.

DragonMasterAlex said:
Yet another example of PS3's Modis Operandi: Overhype, Under-deliver. It's so far managed to do this across the board, unilaterally, in *every* category. Definitely the most pathetic console launch *ever*, and it's clear that PS3 is half-baked and not finished. The sad part is all the *Alpha testers* who paid $600 for the "privilege".
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I think they have delivered, Im loving the PS3 right now in every respect that it was made for, Im confident this will be another Sony Product with a much bigger lifespan than the competing consoles.... I dont mind the few teething problems as long as they are fixed, and with weekly updates its no real big deal.
 
To all those people defending sony: Sony had an extra year on the xbox 360 so it would be logical that in that extra time they'd be able to iron out all the problems and produce a finished product yet that hasn't happened why?
 
More complex newer hardware and more hardware overall takes longer to develop and iron out the bugs etc. Plus Microsoft is a much bigger company and has the resources to throw more money at development than anyone else. If anyone can iron things out quicker is Microsoft, its all about money.
 
That's just ghey.

I love my playstation as much as the next man but I can still acknowledge that blows. I was looking forward to FFXII on the PS3 (My first day PS2 has finally died)
 
Rash said:
Your absolutely right, its a bad emulator, it will probably be fixed real soon, and when it does get fixed you will all still bang on about it for a few years, thats the sad thing about the users in this forum.
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I think ps3 has ps2 chip inside them...
 
Rash said:
More complex newer hardware and more hardware overall takes longer to develop and iron out the bugs etc. Plus Microsoft is a much bigger company and has the resources to throw more money at development than anyone else. If anyone can iron things out quicker is Microsoft, its all about money.
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I think you've forgotten how big Sony is... (largest company in Japan, anyone?)

I mean, you don't see Microsoft with a motion pictures division... or a music label... or even their own personal computers. Plus, in Japan, Sony has an insurance company and a lineup of banks. Holy crap. If I had to guess, I'd venture to say that Sony is a larger company than MS is...
 
The18thLetter said:
No one bitches about not being able to play half of the original Xbox games on the 360, do they?
Smh.
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Hello? What?

I think everyone who was looking forward to that aspect of the 360 was livid.

I bitched continually at first, but that was a year ago. I was excited to play with upgraded quality, and have one less box in my Entertainment Center. It was one of the biggest letdowns at the launch of the 360. It's continually improving, albeit slowly, and most of my lineup is in there now, so I got what I wanted.

And now I have a question: A lot of speculation is being generated about the reason this is happening, and one thread I skimmed said that the PS3 is having an issue because it renders internally, everything, at 1080p. Thats not true is it?

another comparison of PS3/360 BC issues stated that the 360 can only render internally at 720p, but I know thats not the rule, just the developer requirement. SC: double agent was the first game stated to be rendered internally at 1080i. I'm just fact checking here. I hate the blatant misinformation that gets spread around.

I'm holding off on PS3 because I keep hoping to play the huge lineup of games I have yet to beat in a little better quality. BC quality is the one thing that keeps the Wii on my list of stuff to buy, just one notch above PS3.
 
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