Professional Series Ionic Breeze $99

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being expensive doesn't mean it works... it means they spent a lot of money developing it and need to cash in.
I'm still on the fence between buying it and not.
 
Northerner said:
has anyone watched the Oreck commercials for their air purifier?
is there commercial true that these dont have a fan that can push the air?
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"If you don't MOVE the air, you can't CLEAN the air!"

Lmao, i friggin watched that show every night for about a month before i went to bed......*sigh* good times, along with that Magic Bullet thing. How i love infomercials.....

ValeX
 
After looking at the feedbacks more closly like someone said it worrys me...

Some report that theirs didn't work and want refund while others complain about shipping times. Just look for yourself and then decide. Anyone notice how after awhile they haven't rely to the -feedback like before?
 
We got this thing at my work and in my opinion it does nothing. If anything it removes moisture from the air and you can do that with a cheap dehumidifier. Honestly I think that's all it does and the residue on the metal is burnt water from the air.

And no there is not a fan in the ionic breeze from sharper image. It just pulls the air from the surrounding area, so it is probably just "purifying" mostly the same air space over and over.

 
IMHO, both parties have to really drop the ball for a neg to be left. Folks who bulk-sell refurbs and folks who buy them with unrealistic expectations are both heavily prone to that. On the other hand... their cust support is probably so clogged with B.S. complaints that you'd never get a satisfactory response from them.
 
venm11 said:
Burnt water!??!
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Moisture in the air is not always clean and when you heat it there is residue. Burnt water... ;) Again my opinion, I did not claim to be a scientist.

 
I decided to bite. I already have a mediocre holmes cleaner with Hepa and Ionization. I only buy these things to keep down the cat dander. My cat is always hanging around my room and there just hair and dust all over.
 
Be sure to tell us how things work out...

The honeywell that I have doesn't seem to be doing its job, but then again I don't leave it on alot because of the loud noise. Having move my setup to a different spot in the house, I notice that my pc, monitors, etc gather much more dust then ever in a very short time.

By the way, does it even come with any type of warranty?
 
Sz1hart said:
Be sure to tell us how things work out...

The honeywell that I have doesn't seem to be doing its job, but then again I don't leave it on alot because of the loud noise. Having move my setup to a different spot in the house, I notice that my pc, monitors, etc gather much more dust then ever in a very short time.

By the way, does it even come with any type of warranty?
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Five-year warranty.
 
To preface this, I've been suffering from upper respiratory allergies for almost 20 years; I've taken prescription medicine and had years of weekly injections, and as I've gotten older, the severity of my allergies has lessened, but they are definitely still noticeable, to the point where a common cold still ALWAYS results in a sinus infection for me.

My allergist recommended getting central air conditioning for my home, but when it came to "air purifiers," his opinion was along the lines of "forget anything without a HEPA filter."

just2cool said:
After one week, the "collection grid" is always full of crap, so it's obviously working. For $99, I'd say it's worth it, but that's just my opinion.
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Well, it depends how you define "working."

Is the unit pulling "crap" out of the air and trapping it on the ionized grid? Yes, obviously it is. But how significant of an impact does that "crap" (or the lack thereof) have on the average person with upper respiratory issues?

If you firmly believe that having the unit on directly results in a noticeable increase in your upper respiratory health, then by all means it's a good thing for you, and you should feel great about giving Sharper Image your money.

But I'll put my faith in Consumer Reports. If they say that the unit really isn't doing anything significant, I believe them; and I don't think that just because I see crap on the collection grid every week, I'll suffer less from my allergies.

If the unit worked like they want you to think it does, and made a significant impact on the air quality, Consumer Reports would say so; they aren't out to "get" Sharper Image, they're out to tell the truth that cuts through all the advertising and fancy infomercials.

The only enemies of Consumer Reports are companies who lie or deliberately mislead with their advertising.

Consumer Reports are non-profit. Sharper Image isn't. They're not trying to get my money. Sharper Image is.

Consumer Reports uses mystery shoppers to buy products from real stores, to be sure that the ones they test are representative of the average product that you or I would buy. Sharper Image compensates researchers and boards so they can write things that make the Ionic Breeze sound great.

Consumer Reports never accepts endorsements or advertising of any kind. They have been sued dozens of times and have never lost. Basically, they're the good guys. Yeah I know I sound like a fan-boy, but I don't care, I'll happily slurp Consumer Reports because they do their job, and their job is to help consumers like us.
 
You can always buy several of those bathroom ones, remove them from their housing, and mod it into your PC. Silent PC at it's best, good smelling.

I was going to buy one of these only cause I don't like all the dust my PC collected. I don't have allergies, or if I do it's not to the degree where it bothers me. I did some research, which was like a year or so ago, and found some sites saying how this item created "positive ions" which are "bad for you" and that units creating "negative ions" are "good for you" :rolleyes:

The ionic breeze does remove particals out of the air, but very little. It does move the air, but very little. You prolly only take out 1-2g of dust out of the air with their mid size item in a week, but you shed way more than that in skin in a day ;)
 
hl3395 said:
You can always buy several of those bathroom ones, remove them from their housing, and mod it into your PC. Silent PC at it's best, good smelling.
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That sounds like a [H]ard mod!
 
DigitalEdge said:
Like-New/Factory Reconditioned Product
I jumped on two of these, Great deal. They also have them in black just do a store search

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Reg price on a new one $349.95
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ionic breeze lol = junk
 
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Canceled? Did anyone else who ordered this have their order canceled? Mine sat in processing for several days then today the money was returned to me (used PayPal). I've sent an email to customer service to see what happened. Just curious if anyone else had this happen. It looks like the price is now $149. I wonder if it was a "mistake" and they are canceling the orders.
 
nberggren said:
Canceled? Did anyone else who ordered this have their order canceled? Mine sat in processing for several days then today the money was returned to me (used PayPal). I've sent an email to customer service to see what happened. Just curious if anyone else had this happen. It looks like the price is now $149. I wonder if it was a "mistake" and they are canceling the orders.
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Your order wasn’t cancelled.....They have issues with Pay-Pal I talked to a billing rep (same thing happened to me your order will be processed sooner or later threw paypal). You can give them a different form of payment such as credit card or you have to tell them what happening even knows they know about this issue. They need to get there sh1t together. 149 is there GP item the one with the ultra violet bulbs in it.
 
Yep. PayPal issues on the SharperImage side. Changed payment methd and they upgraded me to 2 day shipping for free. Should have it Tuesday.
 
The problem with the Ionic Breeze purifiers (I didn't read the whole thread..so if it's been repeated...) is that:

1: The earlier models produced just positive ions, so all it did was make the dust in the immediate area clump together in a pile in front of the machine. The newer ones have a "negative ion" feature that's a temporary mode.

2: While the Ionic Breeze purifiers (both old and new) passed the normal room ozone test, they failed the closed room (my bedroom has only one vent, no windows, so it qualifies as "closed") ozone test miserably. Legally, somewhere there is a disclaimer on the packaging about this. At least, there should be :eek:

3: The simple fact that they move air around is negligible. The CFM rating of these should actually be, realistically, measured as cubic-centimeters/minute, as to avoid decimals :p


Though, if you're into this sort of thing (ozone, the wrong type of actual "cleaning" ions, etc) then $99 could be a good deal.
 
dandragonrage said:
Guys
http://www.air-purifiers-america.com/ed_APA_test_results.asp

Stop buying this. Seriously. It wouldn't be hot even at $20.
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They measured results after running them for 20 minutes. Naturally, the ones with better airflow did much better, but the test wasn't measuring noise output. The advantage of the beeze is that it's quiet, and you can run it 24/7.

If you ran one of these superduper cleaners 24/7, you'd be wasting alot of electricity because it only needs 20 minutes to clean the room. Technically, an air cleaner only needs to clean the air at a slightly faster rate than pollutants are being put *into* the air; you still need to overcome the existing levels plus the time it takes for the pollutants to reach the unit to be filtered, but to imply that the Breeze only filters 5% of particles in any given sized room is quite inaccurate.
 
If you bothered to read, they tested the IB for a day because it sucked so much. They even left it on for a week and it hardly collected any dust.

So the other ones run for 20 minutes OWNED the IB run for a day. NOT HOT.

"ZOMG! I SAW A COOL INFOMERCIAL FOR THIS! IT MUST REALLY OWN!"
 
dandragonrage said:
If you bothered to read, they tested the IB for a day because it sucked so much. They even left it on for a week and it hardly collected any dust.

So the other ones run for 20 minutes OWNED the IB run for a day. NOT HOT.

"ZOMG! I SAW A COOL INFOMERCIAL FOR THIS! IT MUST REALLY OWN!"
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That's not what the article said. They said the ALSO tested the unit beyond 20 minutes and didn't see dust on the collectors. THe measurements taken were after 20 minutes, that's what the Breeze scored its dubious "5%" on.
 
We even tested this unit beyond our standard 20 minute duration and extended it for an entire day. This unit still didn't remove any significant particles from the room. We did not see a layer of dust on the electrostatic plates during our test.
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That's what it said. The IB scored a 5% after 20 minutes, but even after running it for a day, there was no dust on the plates. Allow me to rephrase it slightly: "Even after a day, this unit didn't remove any significant particles from the room."

note that the test was also conducted in a sealed room, doors and windows closed, so the possibility of the unit having to filter units at a "slightly faster" rate than particles are entering the room doesn't even enter into this particular situation. It was a sealed room and even after a day, the IB hadn't removed any significant particles. This thing sucks.

drdeutsch
 
I own 2 hepa and 2 ionic breeze units.The hepa is much faster and more efficient in cleaning the air ,but cost alot for electricity.I use them for quick cleaning.House constuction dust,sawdust etc. The ionic breeze units work excellent for long term use
I have asthma and bad allergies to dust and fuzzy animals.Used to be when I blew dust out of my Pcs I would be sneezing and inflamed all night.Now when cleaning pcs I put Ib unit on high within 6ft of my cleaning and so far for last 2 years allegies have been much better. So basically both unit types do work ,I dont know where testers get their info (consumers used to be my bible) but in the last few years I have been disappointed by their reviews on a few products.sometimes they are completly wrong on a product .
 
Yeah, if a few bucks a month TOPS is a lot, then the units with fans sure use a lot of electricity. So we're saying on a site with quite a few people who leave their computers on most of the time.
 
Ok so what version of the IB were they testing, I check my blades daily and there’s dust all over them I have a pro version i bought for 99$ on ebay also these ones on eBay don’t come with the ozone guard.

That’s funny that review site sells all those products except the IB...Hmmmm ;)
 
Yeah, and they could carry the IB if they wanted, surely.

Also, consumer reports does not sell any of those products. And even if they were wrong, it's still pretty ridiculous that Sharper Image tried to SUE them over their results.

You guys go ahead and defend your purchases, but smart people will dismiss this as crap like they should. (hope The Sharper Image doesn't sue me for saying that!)
 
As I pointed out far earlier in this thread, consumer reports reviewers are idiots. ALL reviews/comparisons/evaluations I've read of theirs has been seriously undermined by subjectivity and ignorance of what they are studying. SI was well within their rights to sue them, but it was a dumb PR move and not well executed.

I happened to pick up a copy yesterday at B&N about flat-panel TVs... I couldn't help but notice that the majority of the ratings were based on functionality and connectivity; they neglected to measure or evaluate picture quality. It was stupid. Years ago I followed CR's comparisons for buying stereo gear, and when I brought them to my first "real" hi fi store (innovative audio) they offered to literally burn them for me on the spot, then spent 4 hours giving me a real education about audio: about character, detail, dynamics, imaging and soundstage and compatibility; CR's evaluations were obtuse crap.. there was a whole world they missed while describing their experiences pushing buttons on the remote.

Going back to the what-the-article-said debate: The air-purifiers-america.co study explicitly said that the comparison was based on a 20 minute test for all air purifiers. Nowhere did they indicate that the Breeze's actual score was based on the 24-hour test. The result of the 24 hour test was the subjective inspection of the blades. I know from personal experience, as do others in this thread, that after 24 hours in an average gunky room, these will collect an observable gunkage on the blades.

Also, I pointed out the issue with air circulation not because of particles entering the room through an open window, but contaminants being emitted from various sources in the room, such as: dust from fabric/upholstery, chemical contaminents from any sort of material (ie, from foam, rubber, varnishes/coatings, etc), mold spores being spout about... all these are moved about by simple air disturbances in a closed room (eg, convection). There is a calculus to measuring these changing levels which should be paid attention to; saying "this cleaner removes 80% of particles" is simplistic.
 
venm11 said:
As I pointed out far earlier in this thread, consumer reports reviewers are idiots.
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I'd like to see your creditentials if you're declaring them IDIOTS. Obviously you're a professional.
ALL reviews/comparisons/evaluations I've read of theirs has been seriously undermined by subjectivity and ignorance of what they are studying.
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Proof please.
SI was well within their rights to sue them, but it was a dumb PR move and not well executed.
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So that's why they lost eh?
I happened to pick up a copy yesterday at B&N about flat-panel TVs... I couldn't help but notice that the majority of the ratings were based on functionality and connectivity; they neglected to measure or evaluate picture quality. It was stupid.
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Yes, basing a review on technical data, instead of OPINION is 'stupid.' Gotcha.
Years ago I followed CR's comparisons for buying stereo gear, and when I brought them to my first "real" hi fi store (innovative audio) they offered to literally burn them for me on the spot, then spent 4 hours giving me a real education about audio: about character, detail, dynamics, imaging and soundstage and compatibility; CR's evaluations were obtuse crap.. there was a whole world they missed while describing their experiences pushing buttons on the remote.
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Years ago, I once knew this guy who had 200 monkeys. The story of what he did with his 200 monkeys is about as scientifically fulfilling as what you posted above. The fact is, they used a testing methodology that stood up to scrutiny in court, hence SI lost their lawsuit and got laughed out of court.
 
Fer chrissakes, both of you go reread the whole thread. I said earlier that neither one of them was making a good case. CR's study and article was inadequate (which is their right) and their statements misleading (which is not their right, hence the lawsuit); SI's response didn't accomplish much but make them look like the bad guy.

So, people like to beat up on sharper image and put CR on the pedestal, just because of impressions of each company and from not reading between the lines of what's being said. God forbid anyone should buck this trend to keep perceptions in line with what the product actually is: a very quiet device that operates very slowly and is very expensive.

Perhaps I'm adding to the fuss by calling CR idiots. Let me rephrase this and just say that they are doing a real disservice to the readers by not properly evaluating/measuring/ analyzing/etc anything. One: it actually does an inadequate job of evaluating and skews the results with all kinds of mistakes; this is then fed to the reader who believes it like the word of god. Two: the reader complacently doesn't look for explanations, doesn't read between the lines, and gets sucked into the whole marketing/PR game which CR is as guilty of as any company.
 
jesus christ, this is a bad as hi/low flow threads in the water cooling forum. :rolleyes:

I have 2 IB, bought for like $20 at a garage sell. They make a measuable difference to me in the amount of dust and odors in my apartment. I notice the difference when they shut down automatically when they get too much crap on the blades. They don't don't make a sound and the lights don't flash when it's time to clean them, so the only way i know they are off is if i look and check, or notice more dust/odor.

Bottom line, for me, i see/feel/smell a difference when they are on or off. ;)
 
Its great hearing from people that have the IB, instead of the people that don’t and talk crap about it. I haven’t heard from one person that has one and says its sucks just the opposite
 
As I said before, that's just denial. They don't want to admit that what they have sucks. Or maybe they're plants from Sharper Image ;)
 
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