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power supply question for Q07

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wwischerath

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I am getting ready to build a Q07 PC. I have come down to choosing a power supply and right now my choices are Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D or SILVERSTONE ST40F-ES. Either one is more power than needed. The reason for my conundrum is which one would help cool the case better, as I have read many cooling issues on this site. If it helps I am going to use the Asus board with a Phenom II X3 710 CPU and a Sapphire HD 5750. I would build a Q11 but needs to be EASILY transported to Iraq as I have to hand carry on Blackhawks, including my other gear and that inch or two here or there makes a difference. I have a laptop but want to build something better that can be brought back with me.

Any help would be appreciated. And to clear the air, I am not a service member. Which means I don't get to carry a gun.

Will be home in 30 days and thats when the build starts and then I got 30 days to get it right.
 
Hmm I can't say if either one will cooler the case better but the Silverstone PSU does have a 120mm fan compared to the Antec PSU which has a 80mm fan.
 
Hmm well assuming you don't really overclock the CPU and GPU and with a decent cooler on the CPU, I would think you would be alright with your temperatures.
 
I read them and see pluses and minuses to them. Blowing down also helps cool the NB. The antec ps would be drawing air from the end of ps instead of the side letting the CPU cooler do its job. So much to figure out. Hard to believe the PS would be the toughest part. I did see a guy use a H50 cooler in a Q07 but that required a SFX PS and custom mounting for it. And at that point I would build the Q11 despite the added size
 
Hm yeah it's about how much time you want to put into the case. I have the Silverstone 450SFX PSU. It came with a SFX to ATX PSU adapter plate in a Q11 but I also don't use a video card.
 
Well the video card is main reason for doing this. I debated on that the SFX and it looks like a great deal. With the fan on a Q11 it shouldnt be a problem. If I cant get comfortable with a good cooling solution I may bite the bullet and get the Q11 and then get the HD 6850. Especially if the solution gets the cost near buying the Q11 :) right now theres a about $120 difference. And the Q07's smaller footprint is a big plus out here. (the difference is case and video card) If I got to buy coolers, fans, etc, then Q11 is better deal. Remember, I only have 30 days to complete this. Then more mods are out till next R&R which takes six months min.
 
So a while back I built a mini Gaming rig in a Q07 w/ a 5750 so I have a little bit of direct experience to give..

As for the PSU I dont know that the smaller size advantage you gain with the sfx is worth the smaller fan size (its an 80mm compared to the 120mm is most full size PSU's). As for the 2 you mentioned I would definitly take the Silverstone over the antec for the same reason.. As I have done this before though I can tell you that both of these PSU's will SUCK trying to get them into this case. You really want a modular PSU as the extra cables will be killer to what little airflow you get.. So unless your willing to mod a PSU & get rid of the extra cables & maybe even shorten the length on the cables that are there I would look for another alternative.. If it were me doing it the PSU of choice would be the newly released Silverstone Strider 500w Modular (I have the 650w now & its been great) & then add the PP05 Short Cable Kit. That way you have the big fan sucking heat out of the case & the short cable kit so minimize cable clutter..

Only other thing I can tell you is that the 5750 is a Joke of a Graphics card. Too expensive to be a value mainstream card & too weak to be even a low end gaming card (settings were barely better in sc2 then I could do with my onboard 4250).. That said there is still hope. PowerColor makes a 5770 that uses a 5750 PCB so its short enough to fit with the connections at the end. Or if you can swing it you can get a Palit GTX 460 (768mb or 1gb) that will fit. They are the same size as the Gainward Golden Sample that someone here has pics of in there q07 now. Only modification thats required is opening up the back panel for the 2nd slot.. Either of those will blow the 5750 out of the water performance wise.. I Think the 768mb version would do especially well since its well vented out the back of the case to help keep the case cooler.

Overall as far as cooling goes though the q07 does surprisingly well considering the size & no case fans. For a CPU cooler I would recommend the Scythe Big Shuriken. Because of its very low profile I think you would be ok still leaving the fan blowing down & let air travel in between the PSU & the fan easily. Pointing it up will definitely cool the case better, but the north-bridge heatsink on the asus board gets hot (I have the same board). But then again I have seen people running an h50 with this board & it provides no airflow to the north-bridge so it should be OK either way.
 
bastage said:
Only other thing I can tell you is that the 5750 is a Joke of a Graphics card. Too expensive to be a value mainstream card & too weak to be even a low end gaming card (settings were barely better in sc2 then I could do with my onboard 4250)..
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This is the only part that didn't make an ounce of sense: You sure you had a HD 5750? Not the HD 5570? And you sure you didn't have driver issues or some such? The HD 5750 performs on par with the HD 4850 which itself is a pretty decent card for gaming. basically, that HD 5750 should have been a huge step-up over the onboard 4250. So something tells me that you either had card name wrong or had some sort of software issues.
 
Danny Bui said:
This is the only part that didn't make an ounce of sense: You sure you had a HD 5750? Not the HD 5570? And you sure you didn't have driver issues or some such? The HD 5750 performs on par with the HD 4850 which itself is a pretty decent card for gaming. basically, that HD 5750 should have been a huge step-up over the onboard 4250. So something tells me that you either had card name wrong or had some sort of software issues.
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Nope I had it right & drivers were up to date.. I also had a 4850 in between selling my last 5k series card & getting my 6850.. Basically the 4250 I could play at 16x10 on low, the 4850 or 5750 would allow me to play about the same FPS at either 19x12 low or 16x10 medium. & just to make it well rounded I have had 3 other cards since the sc2 beta started which are a 5770 (19x12 w/ med settings) a 5830 (19x12 w/ high) & now my 6850 (19x12 w/ ultra settings). Mileage may be different for other games, but since I built my q07 box right before (like 2 days) I got my sc2 beta invite I haven't played any other game much since.
 
I kinda figured the Silverstone might be a better choice. I have no problem modding the cables.

I do appreciate the input and this will be a cool build any way I do it.

HD4250 was nearly as good?! Wow wouldnt have thought that. Maybe I should hold of on video till I see what else is coming in the next few weeks/months. The onboard is WAY better than I am using now-GeForce 7150M on my laptop.

Glad to hear the 6850 is working in your case.
 
Honestly I dont forsee anything coming out anytime soon that will fit in a q07 that will trumph the 460's I linked above. Since the 460's performance is close to that of the 6850 anything faster is going to likely be as big or bigger then the 6850. And the 67x0 series isn't likely to match the performance.. Also my opinion of that Manufacturer Palit went up alot when I realised that they were the same company as Galaxy & Gainward. I had a Gainward GeForce 256 that completely rocked for its day.
 
I am not sure I want the extra 60watts of heat a GTX would add to that small of a case. May just go with the powercolor 5770. Even found one with single slot so no case mods and on sale for same price as 5750. Of course if price drops on Q11 all bets are off cuz then I will want the 6850. Which would be way overkill at this time, but I might be interested in doing more gaming then.
 
wwischerath said:
I am not sure I want the extra 60watts of heat a GTX would add to that small of a case. May just go with the powercolor 5770. Even found one with single slot so no case mods and on sale for same price as 5750. Of course if price drops on Q11 all bets are off cuz then I will want the 6850. Which would be way overkill at this time, but I might be interested in doing more gaming then.
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Yea & gaming is the reason I mentioned the 460... its by far the best card you can get into a q07. And to be honest about it I would still have my q07 had there been little 460's when I had it.
 
wwischerath said:
I am not sure I want the extra 60watts of heat a GTX would add to that small of a case. May just go with the powercolor 5770. Even found one with single slot so no case mods and on sale for same price as 5750. Of course if price drops on Q11 all bets are off cuz then I will want the 6850. Which would be way overkill at this time, but I might be interested in doing more gaming then.
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There is even a XFX single-slot 5770 that got pretty good reviews (even noise-wise). Can't remember the length, though.
 
its too long 8.5"

MSI lists their Cyclone GTX 460 at 7.9" Is that correct? That card would intrigue me.
 
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Well that 10 mm is not very noticable. Looks like it fits on paper. That is a good find! On the other hand that Cyclone looks very much like XFX's HD 5770 SS, comparing lenght but really 10 mm... Thats how much you need to fit it in. Let me ask you how do ypou imagine connect power to the card. Do you plan to resolder the edge power connectors??
Q07 is good looking and challenging!
If you fit that Cyclone drop us some pictures!
 
huguberhart said:
Well that 10 mm is not very noticable. Looks like it fits on paper. That is a good find! On the other hand that Cyclone looks very much like XFX's HD 5770 SS, comparing lenght but really 10 mm... Thats how much you need to fit it in. Let me ask you how do ypou imagine connect power to the card. Do you plan to resolder the edge power connectors??
Q07 is good looking and challenging!
If you fit that Cyclone drop us some pictures!
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After inspecting a different PS I suspect I could mod the cable end to clear. Will let everyone know. And I would definitely post pics! And the day might be occurring sooner since my R&R date has been canceled (sucks)
 
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The Gainward GTX 460s are really short too, and if it's like their GTS 450, the power connectors might be on top instead of at the end...
 
NichoTL said:
The Gainward GTX 460s are really short too, and if it's like their GTS 450, the power connectors might be on top instead of at the end...
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did you read the thread? I specifically mentioned Gainward as they are the same company as Palit & there 460's use the same PCB
 
Yes I read it and I have heard how the Gainward cooler has been noted to hit the USB header. As for the Palit, I am hesitant due the poor reviews its getting about the fan blades breaking off. Even read in one professional review (cant remember which one) that they broke off one of the fan blades during installation. Since my R&R has been canceled I will probably take your advise on PSU, build the PC but hold off on video till I have case in my grubby, fat fingered hands and see what my options are from there. Takes two weeks for things to get here and longer for them to get back, so a 30 day window is finer than frog fur out here. I am not discounting anything you all are telling me. My last build was a 286 machine so I am listening closely to all advice. I will likely be ordering the stuff this week (unless strong veto from wife). This forum has given me tons of ideas which I cant wait to implement.
 
bastage said:
did you read the thread? I specifically mentioned Gainward as they are the same company as Palit & there 460's use the same PCB
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Obviously not read well enough, easy tiger. But (I'll take your word that they use the same PCB) the Gainward/Palit are among the shortest, so if you have the connectors at the end how are you going to fit a card that has every chance to be longer...
 
I like the MSI configuration, but I agree that it will likely not work. I would jump on the Palit, but the reviews have me very nervous. As I said, doing RMAs from here is tuff. If fans are the only problem I guess I could just order a better fan and fab a mount for it. I havent found a Gainward, but admittedly havent looked real hard. As much as I want to build a Q07, I may have to admit that for what I expect I should move to the Q11. I wanted as small as possible for this so when transferring I could take it carry on, especially since I the mail service has been known to "lose" things


As a note, I originally just wanted input on PSU :) And for that I am going to use the Silverstone but upgrade to the 500W. But I do like hearing everyones ideas.
 
wwischerath said:
Yes I read it and I have heard how the Gainward cooler has been noted to hit the USB header. As for the Palit, I am hesitant due the poor reviews its getting about the fan blades breaking off. Even read in one professional review (cant remember which one) that they broke off one of the fan blades during installation. Since my R&R has been canceled I will probably take your advise on PSU, build the PC but hold off on video till I have case in my grubby, fat fingered hands and see what my options are from there. Takes two weeks for things to get here and longer for them to get back, so a 30 day window is finer than frog fur out here. I am not discounting anything you all are telling me. My last build was a 286 machine so I am listening closely to all advice. I will likely be ordering the stuff this week (unless strong veto from wife). This forum has given me tons of ideas which I cant wait to implement.
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The have you read it was directed @ NichoTL, not at you..


NichoTL said:
Obviously not read well enough, easy tiger. But (I'll take your word that they use the same PCB) the Gainward/Palit are among the shortest, so if you have the connectors at the end how are you going to fit a card that has every chance to be longer...
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the connectors are on the edge, not the end of the card..

& on top of me saying there the same PCB.. As far as I know there also the only ones to have a 2gb GTX260 in case your trying to push some huge screen sizes & dont have room for multiple cards.
 
Slightly OT
You were also mentioning that Galaxy was also the same company (which I verified... can't remember who bought who) and in Europe we also have KFA2 (supposedly the European arm of Galaxy). Phew... that's a lot of names for the same company... KFA2 PCBs seem different than the Gainward/Palit ones. But KFA2 have a Green edition GTX 460 768MB which uses only one power connector (admittedly they underclocked the core and memory to achieve that).

For me, a gaming rig in the Q07 is asking for trouble...
 
NichoTL said:
Slightly OT
You were also mentioning that Galaxy was also the same company (which I verified... can't remember who bought who) and in Europe we also have KFA2 (supposedly the European arm of Galaxy). Phew... that's a lot of names for the same company... KFA2 PCBs seem different than the Gainward/Palit ones. But KFA2 have a Green edition GTX 460 768MB which uses only one power connector (admittedly they underclocked the core and memory to achieve that).

For me, a gaming rig in the Q07 is asking for trouble...
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Yea I dont doubt that they have other branches.. You would think they would pick one & go for it world wide & actually make a name for themselves..

And yea making a gaming rig int he q07 is asking for trouble.. but thats part of the fun.
 
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