LinkFront Page said:Microsoft has confirmed that there will be no EFI support for their upcoming operating system. This basically leaves Intel Mac users out in the cold.
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LinkFront Page said:Microsoft has confirmed that there will be no EFI support for their upcoming operating system. This basically leaves Intel Mac users out in the cold.
Originally posted by Durandal64:
Either way, I fail to see why Apple should give two shits about people who want to run Vista on their boxes. Maybe you should be bitching at Microsoft for not supporting the hardware you want to run their OS on. As far as I can tell, Vista has been billed as supporting EFI for some time now. It seems that this is just another feature that Microsoft axed to ship it on time.
Now that Macs are on Intel, I'm suddenly seeing a very different tone from the x86 power user crowd. Before the Intel switch, it was all "OMG APPLES BOXES JUST LOOK PRITTY AND WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT LOOKING PIRTTY???????? I CAN BUILD (whatever) FOR LIKE WAY CHEAPER AND IT HAS A WINDOW ON THE SIDE OF THE TOWER WITH A NEON LIGHT!" Now, all the x86 people are like, "OMG I CANT BUY AN APPLE BOX AND RUN WINDOWS ON IT WTF?????? APPLE SUX0RS!!!!"
I thought appearance was irrelevant. If it's such a trivial concern, make some crappy Mac mini knock-off from a Shuttle case or something. Or maybe Apple's designs are just a bit more appealing than the techy crowd likes to admit.
I think the bigger issue is the fact that it delays Intels EFI plans. From what I've read about EFI, its way better than BIOS is mainly because the hardware can be started with the software so you can do something like download updates for things without actually having to boot into an OS. I'm sure AMD is happy though lol.esr2 said:um, if this is a shock to anyone here i will be greatly surprised. if anyone thought microsoft and apple would crawl into bed with each other post intel, Id wager a sever reality check is in order.
sad thing is, common sense continues to prevail. intel based imacs did not magically drop in price as people were blathering about, consistent with what apple never indicated would be the case, and the same seems to hold with this latest 'revelation'.
Sometimes i think we spend far too much time in the enthusiast shed to recognize the workings of the vast consumer city next door, and the probability of our unfounded dreams becoming a substantiated reality.
Was anyone honestly expecting Microsoft to issue a version of vista which natively installed on intel based apple products?
-esr
esr2 said:um, if this is a shock to anyone here i will be greatly surprised. if anyone thought microsoft and apple would crawl into bed with each other post intel, Id wager a sever reality check is in order.
sad thing is, common sense continues to prevail. intel based imacs did not magically drop in price as people were blathering about, consistent with what apple never indicated would be the case, and the same seems to hold with this latest 'revelation'.
Sometimes i think we spend far too much time in the enthusiast shed to recognize the workings of the vast consumer city next door, and the probability of our unfounded dreams becoming a substantiated reality.
Was anyone honestly expecting Microsoft to issue a version of vista which natively installed on intel based apple products?
-esr
Torquemada XP said:I think "This basically leaves Intel Mac users out in the cold." is a ridiculous statement; anyone who purchased an Intel-based iMac with the idea that Microsoft would provide a compatible OS should have both done their homework and used a little common sense.
Rocketpig said:Why wouldn't MS want people to run Windows on a Mac?
In case you haven't noticed, MS is a hardware whore. They don't care what x86 configuration you use so long as you use Windows.
thats not the point thoughCowcaster88 said:Reason for that is becuase M$ has so many different hardware configurations to cater to. Which is why Apple is in a league all of their own. They make software that will run well on the least of their hardware.
Don't do this.Cowcaster88 said:M$ .
Cowcaster88 said:Reason for that is becuase M$ has so many different hardware configurations to cater to. Which is why Apple is in a league all of their own. They make software that will run well on the least of their hardware.
4b5eN+EE said:thats not the point though
why would Microsoft want to stop Vista from running on an Intel Mac when its another sale for them?!
i mean, i get that they won't put EFI support in now, when the only machines that use it are the Intel Macs, but for them to not put EFI support in just to stop people from running vista on the Macs would be....just....stupid, its another sale for them!
Technically, they could sell it and support EFI, but say "Nope we don't support Macs". This way Mac users could still buy it and use it, but MS wouldn't be obligated to give them full support.4b5eN+EE said:thats not the point though
why would Microsoft want to stop Vista from running on an Intel Mac when its another sale for them?!
And Office, and IE, and Halo...Rocketpig said:Why wouldn't MS want people to run Windows on a Mac?
In case you haven't noticed, MS is a hardware whore. They don't care what x86 configuration you use so long as you use Windows.
They most certainly do not use standard parts for everything. You really think the iMac has a standard ATX mobo? It's a custom-made thing. Intel probably builds (or at least some Intel-subsidiary or whatever), but Apple gave them the specifications of the physical layout.Rocketpig said:Other than EFI, what is so different about Apple's hardware now?
They use off the shelf components for everything. Hell, I even think their mobos are designed by Intel now.
Why would they want to do that? Microsoft doesn't (or at least shouldn't) care if it's a Mac that Vista's running on. It's just another sale. They don't lose anything by supporting Macs.Shameless Liar said:Technically, they could sell it and support EFI, but say "Nope we don't support Macs". This way Mac users could still buy it and use it, but MS wouldn't be obligated to give them full support.
Yep. Another feature that Vista was supposed to have that got axed.It probably not a 'Lets not supports Macs', its probably a 'What can we cut now, that will keep us on schedule, while giving the SMALLEST blow to features/performance/revenue'
And Itanium 2 systems... and a few other things. In fact, there are some EFI x86 boxes out there, but they have the compatibility BIOS-emulation, so Vista will run on them anyway.Since EFI is ONLY on Intel based macs
Black Morty Rackham said:And Itanium 2 systems... and a few other things. In fact, there are some EFI x86 boxes out there, but they have the compatibility BIOS-emulation, so Vista will run on them anyway.
Oh, I wasn't arguing that.Narisatu said:Still though, my statement holds up.. the percentage of the market that has hardware to use EFI is so small the lack of EFI support with VISTA is the 'smallest hit to performance/features/revenue'
Black Morty Rackham said:They most certainly do not use standard parts for everything. You really think the iMac has a standard ATX mobo? It's a custom-made thing. Intel probably builds (or at least some Intel-subsidiary or whatever), but Apple gave them the specifications of the physical layout.
Except that they lack the BIOS emulation of the other EFI boards...Rocketpig said:My point is that while the shape may be different, there is nothing special about the motherboard that would hinder Windows from running on a Mac.
Macs all use pretty basic off-the-shelf stuff now, which is a good thing. Cheaper computers, cheaper upgrades, etc.
4b5eN+EE said:
synergyo1 said:A little off topic but...
There is a video circulating around showing WinXP being installed and running on an iMac. The video looks pretty legit to me. The guy running the Win/Mac contest is currently testing out the solution supposably.
http://www.engadget.com/videos/narf2006_xp_mac.mov
Link to video.
obviouslytom said:Has anyone seen exactly how it was done? I am more interested in a guide then a picture or video.
yes...think of it as running windows on a PC without installing some/most of the drivers...Narisatu said:ok.. this is probably a stupid question, but im going to ask it anyway.. Will all windows programs work? It is just the mac Hardware they are having issues with, correct?