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Poor Performance Why?

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Flyingcommas

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The system in my sig is producing horrible performance. My fps is extremely low in all games (take my word for it so i wont have to list). Myself and others have tried to figure out the problem for a few weeks now and have had no success. After reformatting i installed SP1 and dx9.0b, installed chipset drivers, installed GPU drivers, updated some minor things and installed a few games and software etc. Theres no programs running in the background. My BIOS are updated. Tried messing with RAM timings with little to no difference. Ran sandra benchmarks on cpu which were fine; ran 3dmark2003 and got around 5400. XP Pro

tried same system with a GF4 Ti4800 and had same results
 
used my tweaking links stickied on the front page;) ?

i know you've reformatted, but have you recently scanned for viruses/spyware (use Spybot S&D for spyware, and AVG Free Edition for anti-virus)?

have you cleaned out your case?

have you seen if maybe it's a bad RAM stick (by running memtest86)?

tried clearing your CMOS (kinda last-resortish)?

seen if there are any BIOS updates that might pertain to you?
 
Which Asus mobo?

SBLive! conflicts?

Install order?

Going back to Catalyst 3.8 drivers?

That's all I can think of. There was one more thing but it was a fleeting thought........I'll let you know if I catch it.
 
Originally posted by jamezzz122
What is your proc?...I assuming you meant OCed to 2.7...
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I was wondering that myself. Since the followup post states that it was not OCed, I have to assume the processor is either a P4 2.66B (rounded to 2.7) or is in fact a Celeron 2.7.
 
Originally posted by Flyingcommas
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i did everything #2 said except memtest
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..everything? like, including all the tweaks listed, and your performance hasn't gone up any? bullshit.

but, other than that, and this is really really extreme, have you tried *shudder* *cough* *wheeze* and *splutter* tech support from M$?

aiee!! wait, first try running Linux and see if it works fine in Linux!! (just d/l Knoppix if you don't want to install anything and run off the CD) if it works fine in Linux, RMA your WinXP ^_^

oh, btw, tried SFC and Scandisk ( set it on standard with automatically correct errors checked )

P.S.
SFC, is where you go Start \ Run: "SFC" (w/o the "") and have your XP CD in, and it says "look at this, it's been changed!" and you say "stfu, i updated a lotta shit" and then it fixes whatever's corrupted.
 
P4G8X Deluxe

umm yea its a 2.66 p4 def not a celeron :0

sb live conflicts? ill give it a shot; if i just take out the card and use onboard will that tell me whether or not its sb live conflicts?
 
tweaking maybe gains me a few fps, but uh, i shouldnt have to tweak, like i said trust me on the performance

ill try SFC when i have a few minutes
 
Originally posted by Flyingcommas
tweaking maybe gains me a few fps, but uh, i shouldnt have to tweak, like i said trust me on the performance

ill try SFC when i have a few minutes
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okay, but you're the one using Windows...
 
Originally posted by Flyingcommas
7200 rpm ... how would you suggest i test it?
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Nero has a feature that will test it, if you have Nero installed.
 
Originally posted by Flyingcommas
Do you happen to know specifically what feature of nero can help me test that?
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Sure. File/preferences/Cache/Test all speeds.
 
Originally posted by Flyingcommas
um again how would anyone suggest i test if its an sb live conflict?
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pull out soundcard and try playing
if u get high fps then its a soundcard conflict
 
post detailed specs of ur system

mobo make/model
hd make/model
ram make/model
misc hardware installed (make/model)
software installed
bios settings you think might be the culprit
etc...

its pretty hard to troubleshoot something when ppl dont have the full details
easy way to do this, run dxdiag, save info, post the relevant stuff
 
ASUS P4G8X Deluxe

IBM IC35L080AVVA070 Deskstar 80gig

512 Kingston pc3200

tried 4 diff drivers for gpu

1006.rev version of BIOS - even with default settings my
performance shouldnt be this bad
btw my primary master is reading as my cd-rom, shouldnt it be my harddrive or doesnt it matter?

under system information in dxdiag my os is reading as WINDOWS_NT under software environment when im running xp pro

is there anything else i could look for in my system info that might seem out of place?
 
Originally posted by Flyingcommas
btw my primary master is reading as my cd-rom, shouldnt it be my harddrive or doesnt it matter?
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Um, that be bad. You need your HD to be primary master on the first IDE controller. Also, that IDE chain should olny have Hard drives connected to it because if you have a cd-rom and the hard drive on one the total speed of that chain will be limited to the slowest drive which is the cd-rom. Move the cd-roms to the second IDE and hard drives to the first with the boot drive as primary master.

ATA speeds

cd-rom = ATA33
Hard drives = ATA66 - ATA133 (depending on the specifics of your drives capabilities)

*guys please correct me if I'm wrong*
 
Ummm, what's the resolution, AA, and AF set for???

I don't have that killer of a system anymore but between a higher res and AA an AF jacked up high it kills everything. It wouldn't suprise me if that may have been you're initial problem.

Double check those settings and check your BIOS to make sure that the highest AGP setting is set or will check automatically.

and get the CD-Rom off the HD chain as well
 
Do what That_Sound_Guy said, put the HD on IDE1 as primary. Put your CD-ROM(s) on IDE2 on primary and secondary. He is correct in that if you have your CD-ROM hooked up on the same cable as your HD your HD is going to run at the lower speed of the CD-ROM.
 
Just as an FYI, the SBLive conflicts were present on some Via boards and were caused by a problem in the board. It has never been on an Intel chipset board.

And your CD should be on a different cable and channel than the HDD. I doesn't come down to the slowest speeds anymore, but it will definitely degrade performance. Especially in a game, for example, when it's loading data from the CD and the HDD at the same time.
 
yes i just corrected the HDD problem, and it did help a little bit; the main problem isnt fixed though :eek: im still in the process of trying some of these suggestions but feel free to post more
 
post a screenie of your task manager so we can see what you have running.

Also what I would try is to take out everything that isnt needed for essential computer operation (sound card, multiple memory sticks, USB - Firewire mobo connections , cd-roms, extra HD's, etc...

Take all that stuff off then start the PC and see what happens then. Also another thing you can do is disable all ports on the mobo you are not using through the BIOS (Firewire, Serial.. etc) ya never know what little stuff can cause major problems.
 
Well if you did what I said above, Im starting to think you have defective hardware or a really bad Windows install. But since you said you reformatted Im leaning towards hardware problems. try to test your parts in other computers to see if they slow down or fail.

Also I think this was mentioned but check to make sure the CPU is making good contact with the heatsink to limit heat as a factor.

We'll get this fixed yet!
 
I doubt that it is anything other than the video card. First of all, check to make sure that while Windows is idling, CPU usage is not at 100%.

Then, minimize task manager and do some normal stuff. Make sure CPU usage is not unusually high.

Run a general CPU/system benchmark that does not involve your video card. If at all possible, substitute your video card with another.

All of this should be done under a clean install of Windows XP with no additional drivers installed and no additional software installed. Update chipset/video drivers only after you have checked a clean install.

Hope this helped.
 
Make sure your Radeon is not getting hot so as to make the VPU Recover or whatever the clock speed thingie it is, kick in.

Correct me if I'm wrong, as I don't have an ATI card, yet. :cool: :)
 
5400 3dmarks seems about right for your setup.

I doubt you have a 800mhz bus, or tight ram timings. So it seems fine. I believe my system on stock gets 5600-5800.
 
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