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Please Help Me Build A Rendering Computer !

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Strifx

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1) What will you be doing with this PC? Gaming? Photoshop? Web browsing? etc

Photoshop / Rendering / Cad / AutoCAD / AutoDesk / 3dsMax

2) What's your budget? Are tax and shipping included?

My Max Budget is $3200 Including Tax & Shipping

3) Which country do you live in? If the U.S, please tell us the state and city if possible.

U.S California , Beverly Hills

4) What exact parts do you need for that budget?

I Need a CPU, Power Supply & Motherboard + Video Card + Ram + SSD & Hard Drives ( 1 SSD & 2 or 3 Backup Hard Drives 1TB Capacity Per HDD & 480GB + For SSD. I need a fast SSD that will last a while and can handle a lot of read and writes daily. mostly between 5 - 150mb size files. about 500 writes per day in that size

5) If reusing any parts, what parts will you be reusing? Please be especially specific about the power supply. List make and model.

Reusing My Full Tower Atx Case If Possible & Asus DVDRW Drive.

6) Will you be overclocking?

No

7) What is the max resolution of your monitor? What size is it?

Have Three 24" Monitors 1920x1080 Each. Although I'm gonna be only using 2.

8) When do you plan on building/buying the PC?

As soon as possible :), hopefully in less than a week

9) What features do you need in a motherboard? RAID? Firewire? Crossfire or SLI support? USB 3.0? SATA 6Gb/s? eSATA? Onboard video (as a backup or main GPU)? UEFI? etc.

Need Raid 1 or 5 if i can fit it in my budget.

10) Do you already have a legit and reusable/transferable OS key/license? If yes, what OS? Is it 32bit or 64bit?

I have a retail windows 7 ultimate box & windows 8 box. They're both 64bit.


I mainly need a strong system to use for rendering & for Photoshop & Web Browsing. But obviously rendering is my priority.

Thanks for the help :)
 
Sorry, missed this thread among all the BF and CM deals going on:

What case are you planning on reusing?

Also, right now, the Crucial MX100 512GB is available from Amazon.com for $190. Should do the job just fine for you. If you want to spend more, get the Samsung 840 Pro 512GB SSD for $250.

Also do you have a NAS, file server, external hard drive, or even do some form of cloud backup?
 
thanks for the reply :). The case i'm re using is the corsair 730T. I purchased the mx100 512gb yesterday so i have that too. I have a synology Nas system and also have an external hard drive system using Acronis for backup.

I need more help on choosing a processor. Should i go with a xeon or an i7 5820k cpu. also what type of video card should i get should i get a nvidia k5000/6000 or should i get a gtx 980, which would be better for rendering ? . I cant figure out if Autocad and 3dsmax use dual Gpu I have to keep it under $3200 budget. Again thx :)
 
Strifx said:
thanks for the reply :). The case i'm re using is the corsair 730T. I purchased the mx100 512gb yesterday so i have that too. I have a synology Nas system and also have an external hard drive system using Acronis for backup.
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All right good, don't need to worry about RAID then. The case is good to reuse.


Strifx said:
I need more help on choosing a processor. Should i go with a xeon or an i7 5820k cpu. also what type of video card should i get should i get a nvidia k5000/6000 or should i get a gtx 980, which would be better for rendering ? . I cant figure out if Autocad and 3dsmax use dual Gpu I have to keep it under $3200 budget. Again thx :)
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AutoCAD doesn't use the GPU all that much so I'd expect 3DSmax to be the same. So you could go with the Nvidia Quadro K2000 and you would be fine.

As for the CPU, it depends on the following: Are you using this PC for work or for play?
 
Dangman said:
All right good, don't need to worry about RAID then. The case is good to reuse.



AutoCAD doesn't use the GPU all that much so I'd expect 3DSmax to be the same. So you could go with the Nvidia Quadro K2000 and you would be fine.

As for the CPU, it depends on the following: Are you using this PC for work or for play?
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A bit of both to be honest 70% work and 30% play. So none of the programs i listed above require a fast gpu ? they rely mostly on ram and cpu ?

Will a gtx 980 be fine for rendering ? or should i stick to the k2000 ?
 
Strifx said:
A bit of both to be honest 70% work and 30% play. So none of the programs i listed above require a fast gpu ? they rely mostly on ram and cpu ?
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Correct on both counts. For now, we're going to focus on the CPU + mobo + RAM: For the work part: Does it matter if there's a few errors with whatever produce/image/render you send out?
 
Dangman said:
Oh and there's a fantastic sale right now for this eVGA 1000W PSU for $150:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CGYCNG2/?tag=extension-kb-20

I highly recommend buying the above PSU ASAP.
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thanks i just bought it


Dangman said:
Correct on both counts. For now, we're going to focus on the CPU + mobo + RAM: For the work part: Does it matter if there's a few errors with whatever produce/image/render you send out?
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the ram im looking at 2x Ram atm



what do you mean by errors ? like a bad render or pc crash ? or are you talking about ecc memory and regular memory ?

Also thank you for the help :)
 
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Strifx said:
the ram im looking at 2x Ram atm
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Wrong RAM: If you were building a 4790K based system, that DDR3 RAM would have been good. BUt with your planned usage, you should be looking at the 5820K, which uses DDR4 RAM.


Strifx said:
what do you mean by errors ? like a bad render or pc crash ? or are you talking about ecc memory and regular memory ?
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The first. And yes.
 
Dangman said:
Wrong RAM: If you were building a 4790K based system, that DDR3 RAM would have been good. BUt with your planned usage, you should be looking at the 5820K, which uses DDR4 RAM.



The first. And yes.
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yea that's true forgot that new i7 mobos use ddr4 memory. Also i would like to avoid errors. My work is important i would rather not have issues such as bad renders or crashes if possible. If i can fit this whole system in a $3200 budget it would be amazing.
 
Strifx said:
yea that's true forgot that new i7 mobos use ddr4 memory. Also i would like to avoid errors. My work is important i would rather not have issues such as bad renders or crashes if possible. If i can fit this whole system in a $3200 budget it would be amazing.
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Then you're more or less looking at the following setup:
$691 - Intel Xeon E5-2630 v3 8-Core CPU
$299 - SUPERMICRO MBD-X10SRI-F Server Motherboard
$466 - 2 x Crucial 2 x 8GB CT2K8G4RFS4213 DDR4 2133 RAM
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Total: $1456 shipped plus tax
 
I'll have to get back to you on that.

What's the total so far?
 
Total so far not including the video card is $2254.47 ( all the other parts are included - case,optical drive,ssd,hdd,psu,cpu,ram,mobo,heatsink). Leaving me with $945.53.
 
Strifx said:
This is the heatsink
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That's not the right HSF. The Supermicro motherboard I recommended uses the LGA 2011 narrow mounting setup. The HSF you chose is meant for the regular LGA 2011 square mounting setup. So at the least, you need this HSF:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835114142

With that said, if you want something that's actually quiet, then I recommend this HSF:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608043
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thes are the 2 hdd Drives
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Not worth getting IMO. Since you already have a Synology NAS and external hard drives, you don't have to spend extra money on those server grade hard drives. You can go with cheaper Seagate or WD Red drives instead.
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i have this raid card also card
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That's not a true RAID card. If you're looking to do a simple RAID 1 for redundancy purposes, the motherboard's on-board RAID is enough for that. If you want actual backup, then you should be expanding your Synology and external hard drive setups instead.
 
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ok thanks , ill order that HSF instead. The drives i had from before so they're not costing me anything. They were only used for about 2 months. I tested them out again to make sure they work and no problems.

So i have now $925.18 left for a video card. I think thats all i need. Btw i appreciate the help :)
 
All right grab the GTX 970 then. Use the remaining money on either more RAM or to expand your current backup setup.

And you're welcome!
 
awesome thanks :) so a gtx 970 is better than a k series or a 980 ? i don't mind getting a 980.
 
Strifx said:
awesome thanks :) so a gtx 970 is better than a k series or a 980 ? i don't mind getting a 980.
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For AutoCAD, yes the GTX 970 is going to better than many of the Quadro cards. However, IMO, the GTX 980 isn't really worth the money considering that the money can be better spent elsewhere.
 
but wouldn't the extra cuda cores help ? also can i do a 2x970 on sli or would autocad not utilize the second card ?
 
Strifx said:
but wouldn't the extra cuda cores help ? also can i do a 2x970 on sli or would autocad not utilize the second card ?
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They would help but not enough help to justify the extra costs. AutoCAD doesn't use the second card.
 
schmuckley said:
hmm
I'm thinking dual-cpu

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117499 x2 cpus @ 3.5Ghz ..that's 24 threads

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132257 mobo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148858 RAM (16gb)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438019 PSU

total: 2,019
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how would this fare vs the other build ?. Also can i run windows 7 ultimate as the os or should i stick with a server os ?. some of my programs won't run on windows server os though :(. would the windows 7 ultimate os utilize all the parts at max speed ?
 
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That system would be faster than the system I proposed if the program is heavily multi-threaded. However two problems with that setup:
1) May not be compatible with your case since that motherboard is SSI EEB
2) That RAM won't work with that motherboard: You need ECC Registered RAM, not the consumer RAM that schmuckley pointed out. Nor will the ECC unbuffered RAM I recommended above work with that motherboard

As for the OS, Windows 7 Ultimate should work fine. Use it until Windows 10 comes out. Upgrade your OS then.
 
Awesome thanks. One more question would this ram be better than the original one you posted because it leaves more slots open if i need to add more ram Ram

Thanks for all the help :)
 
Strifx said:
Awesome thanks. One more question would this ram be better than the original one you posted because it leaves more slots open if i need to add more ram Ram

Thanks for all the help :)
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It would be better if you buy a second one of that set. IIRC, Xeons needs a pair of RAM sticks.
 
No. Sorry I missed this the first time: For my recommended setup, that RAM will not work at all since it's ECC Registered. The RAM you linked will only work with schmuckley's build. My setup requires ECC Unbuffered RAM.
 
At $396 shipped, I can't recommend that GTX 970 considering that its MSRP is $350.

The rest looks good to me. Just get a cheaper GTX 970.
 
Wait a week then. They were $350 before BF/CM. That mobo does have onboard video that you can use while you wait for the video card pricing to get back down.
 
Ok will do. One last thing the memory that you linked me first it shows its ECC Registered on Amazon ?Amazon
 
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Well shit. Damn Newegg.

Well if you look at Supermicro's website, that Supermicro mobo that I recommended does support registered ECC RAM:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/xeon/c600/x10sri-f.cfm

So I was wrong about the unbuffered ECC RAM requirement. In addition, I was also wrong ab out schmuckley's RAM: It will work with that Supermicro mobo as well.

Sorry about the mistakes. No excuse on my part.
 
The Amazon link doesn't work. However, the reason why I said "Damn Newegg" was because they didn't include the right information about the RAM. Amazon had listed the RAM correctly.
 
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