Pentium availability

Discussion in 'Intel Processors' started by Astrowind, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Astrowind

    Astrowind n00b

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    I was thinking of buying a temporary mobo/cpu/ram/ssd when support ends for Win7 while I wait for PCIe5 to come out. So, I figured to save money, I could buy a Pentium CPU, 8GB of RAM and 240GB M.2 SSD. But, I checked web sites for the fun of it and saw Pentiums are out of stock in Canada. (I mean like the G5400 for $90 Canadian.)

    My question is, does this happen often and have Pentiums become a sort of limited edition run kind of CPU?

    (By the way, my research showed that a Celeron and 4GB of RAM might be a bit slow for the small difference in price.)
     
  2. jmilcher

    jmilcher 2[H]4U

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    They aren’t usually in that high of demand at least here in the US. I can find them cheap online as well as in stores here. Canada May be different.
     
  3. Astrowind

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    Wow! I just found a cool comparison benchmark video between the Athlon 200ge vs Ryzen 3 2200g vs Pentium g5400 vs i3 8100:
     
  4. Astrowind

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    The Athlon 200GE doesn't seem too bad for the price if the Pentium G5400 isn't available.

    I looked at some benchmarks like G5400 vs i3-8100, i3-8100 vs i3-8400 and i3-8400 vs i5-9400. I figured from the G5400 to the i5-9400, the difference is probably +40% in games.
    However, I estimated from benchmarks the Celeron G3930 is probably only half as powerful as the G5400. I thought I had found a bargain when I saw the G3930 on sale for $40 Canadian. I guess it's not much of a bargain.
     
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    It's a bit of fun to OC as well. I have one as a placeholder in an itx system and i was surprised how happy i was with it for light gaming/web browser/etc.
     
  6. Astrowind

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    OK, I read Intel does have a shortage of processors. They invested in new equipment but it's going to take months to reduce/eliminate the shortage. A result of this has been more PCs shipping with AMD CPUs and of course, the lower end has been a bit neglected. Now I can see where the Pentium shortage comes from.

    It's going to be interesting how this gets resolved. I mean they want to ramp up 14nm manufacturing while planning to release 10nm later this year then 7nm soon after that. As a matter of fact, after Ice Lake comes out, Tiger Lake is expected to follow soon after that. lol it sounds hard to believe. The only thing I wonder about is which platform is getting PCI Express 5.
     
  7. KonaKona040

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    Intel has kinda sacrificed their lower end lineup production wise to focus on high margin stuff. Makes business sense, but sucks for most consumers.

    What's the big draw of PCIe 5.0 for you? Historically, PCIe bandwidth hasn't been a huge factor in gaming performance, and I can't think of any common workloads that will max out a PCIe 4.0 16x lane right now.
     
  8. tangoseal

    tangoseal [H]ardness Supreme

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    AMD is releasing two more Athlon models as well.

    Also they are releasing more Ryzen 5 and 3s.

    And pcie5? We dont even have 4 yet barely as it's so new. You planning to sit on a 50 dollar chip for another 10 years?
     
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  9. defaultluser

    defaultluser I B Smart

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    Yup, the earliest you will see PCIe 4 is 6 months to a year. And we've only just begun to saturate PCIe3.0 x4 slots at 1080p.

    relative-performance_1920-1080.png

    You can see there's just a 3% gap between 8x and 16x, meaning the performance is virtually identical.

    I wouldn't wait. Today's 6 to 8 core processors have more than enough performance to handle gaming for the next 5 years. And the 16x slots will also hold-up well (assuming you don't run SLI) for the next five years.
     
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  10. Astrowind

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    Well, I read PCIe5 is coming out either next year or the next. My reasoning is if they come out with SSD with PCIe5 speed and with RAM continuing to speed up I'm guessing it will give awesome performance.
     
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    defaultluser I B Smart

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    Do you do anything besides play games with your SSDs?

    If so, we've already hit the load speed benefits wall with SATA6. Game load times, as well as most application load times are now PROCESSOR-LIMITED.

    https://techreport.com/review/34266/crucial-p1-500-gb-qlc-nvme-ssd-reviewed/5

    Unless you expect to be copying a ton of files on a regular basis between drives, or running some pro-tier workstation applications, you're headed straight into the overkill with PCIe 3.0 nvme. So why do you desire 5.0?

    Most gamers go with SATA6 large SSD for game installs, and only bother with NVME for the OS "just because," or if they're the rare user of heavy applications.

    You only hit the bandwidth wall of PCIe 3.0 NVME if you you're running a database server, or you're doing 4k video editing, or doing large compiles on server-grade processors. And that's saying nothing for gamers.

    The real push for PCIE 5.0 is in servers. Even with as many lanes as they typically have, it's possible to run out of bandwidth. Everything consumer-level has just been about convincing folks they need to spend $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on a pointless nvme drive so they can win the latest benchmark.

    If you buy a PCIe 3.0 system today, and hypothetically five years from now games finally use all sixteen CPU threads and you hit the SATA6 bandwidth limit, and are bandwidth-hungry again, you can put in an Nvme SSD to upgrade your SATA6 drive and more than quadruple your game-load performance. That is how future-proof nVME PCIe 3.0 4x slot already is FOR GAMERS.

    YOUR CPU WILL BE OUTDATED BEFORE YOUR NVMe x4 SSD SLOT WILL BE.
     
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  12. KonaKona040

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    Not to mention most current NVMe SSDs are only running 4x lanes, not the full 16x. If bandwidth was that big of an issue for consumers you'd see a ton of 16x SSDs.
     
  13. Dekar12

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    Intel has a major CPU Shortage.

    I have confirmation from several of our suppliers that system builders are seeing 2-4 weeks before systems are shipping with any 8th Gen CPU. This is from the big integrator companies, Dell, HP, etc.
     
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