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SphincterBoy

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I was planning on the Silencer 750W for my new build, but now I see Newegg nor anybody else has them in stock. In fact, most places are out of stock on most PCP&C units. Are they moving to brand everything as OCZ or is something else happening?
 
Rumors floating around say new product cycle coming. However, it is odd that everything is disappearing.
 
I believe you are now going to have to look at the OCZ 'Z' Series of PSU. I think PC&C morphed into that
 
Dell still has them...oddly enough, they were a few places that had them in stock last week when I checked prices to sell mine.
 
Newegg only had 2 models the other day, they are up to 4 models now but they still dont have the new 910 watt reviewed in OCP. Or the old standby 610/750 watts that always had some kind of rebate/combo deal with them. I have been wondering if the PSU business is just so cutthroat right now that Newegg can't get any competitive prices for PC Power and Cooling units? Plus their refusal to go modular... and the fact that there are some other awesome PSU out in the $200 dollar range.

<points to his sig> obviously I am a fan, but wondering how things are stacking up for them since bought out by OCZ.
 
Well the business is cut throat and margins are dropping and more people are entering the market. How this affects PC Power and/or OCZ exactly I don't know first hand but it is a difficult landscape out there.
 
I don't think that sticking to some outdated set of principles on what is 'best' doesn't help one's business model much either :)
 
The_Moves said:
I believe you are now going to have to look at the OCZ 'Z' Series of PSU. I think PC&C morphed into that
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I doubt it. PCP&C and OCZ operate mostly independently from everything I've heard. It certainly shows in the quality of both brands' PSUs. PCP&C has used Win-tact and Seasonic, whereas OCZ is currently using FSP, Sirfa, and CWT for some lower-wattage units.
 
Elledan said:
I don't think that sticking to some outdated set of principles on what is 'best' doesn't help one's business model much either :)
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What some may consider to be outdated principles, others may consider to be dedication to quality. They have repeatedly stressed why they believe non-modular is superior.

If I can't find one of their units, who else is considered top of the line? A quality PSU is important to me in my new build.
 
SphincterBoy said:
What some may consider to be outdated principles, others may consider to be dedication to quality. They have repeatedly stressed why they believe non-modular is superior.
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Believing something doesn't make it true, and PCP&C are very guilty of that.
SphincterBoy said:
If I can't find one of their units, who else is considered top of the line? A quality PSU is important to me in my new build.
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Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, certain BFG models, most Silverstone models, most Antec models.
 
SphincterBoy said:
They have repeatedly stressed why they believe non-modular is superior.
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and they are wrong.

Considering they have the test equipment and hopefully the knowledge to test their assertions, I am sure they know they are wrong.

What they have in their "PSU myths" page however, is a marketing point. They have something that sets them apart and makes them different than all the other brands out there.
 
Zero82z said:
Believing something doesn't make it true, and PCP&C are very guilty of that.

Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, certain BFG models, most Silverstone models, most Antec models.
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+1

Also I have also heard about the rumored product cycle should be out in Q1 2010
 
Anath said:
+1

Also I have also heard about the rumored product cycle should be out in Q1 2010
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I don't think you heard about anything. I think you just posted nonsense to get your post count high enough to post in the FS/T subforum.
 
Paul_Johnson said:
Rumors floating around say new product cycle coming. However, it is odd that everything is disappearing.
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Interesting. It still just doesn't make sense why everything would be pulled so quickly. Say they were pulling out of the psu business I would have expected stock to trickle down, it just seemed like overnight everything was gone. If it is a new product cycle release, I've never seen everything get pulled for new products either, especially since they just came out with the Silencer 910w. It all seems very odd.

On the other hand say they are revamping their entire lineup to now include modular cables, 140mm fans, along with single and multi-rail psu's, I would oh-so-love how they would go about back tracking with everything that was said in their "Power Supply Myths" and go on to spout how great the new features make PCP&C. That would be hilarious.
 
sn_85 said:
On the other hand say they are revamping their entire lineup to now include modular cables, 140mm fans, along with single and multi-rail psu's, I would oh-so-love how they would go about back tracking with everything that was said in their "Power Supply Myths" and go on to spout how great the new features make PCP&C. That would be hilarious.
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That would be interesting and its getting harder for them to refute the quality of modular units from a lot of other vendors. And the 80mm fan thing....:rolleyes: I wouldn't be suprised if they stick to their guns on the one 12v rail though. Thats a selling point that has worked for them.

From their website-under the Technology tab/PSU myths
3. DON'T LOSE POWER WITH MODULAR PLUGS
Due to their look, convenience, and cost savings for manufacturers, modular plugs have become a popular power supply feature. Unfortunately, there has been little or no discussion of the impact of this feature on overall performance and reliability. The fact is, modular plugs limit power by adding to electrical resistance. The voltage drop can be as much as would occur in 2 feet of standard wire. Worse yet, modular plugs utilize delicate pins that can easily loosen, corrode, and burn, creating the potential for a major system failure. That's why professional system builders specify uninterrupted wire!
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If they come up with a "new patented system" of modular cable connection they could say how they overcame this electrical resistance problem.

With the fan issue, a lot of other companies have overcome this problem, but I wonder why there aren't any PSUs with Centrifugal blowers built into the case itself. If the noise could be kept down this could deliver the air needed.
 
I would love to see anybody actually try to actually confirm 100% how PCP&C FUD was ever true. They themselves have only made claims, and not even once backed them up with facts. Seeing as pretty much everybody and their dog (well except PCP&C) in the PSU business have units with modular cables and 120/140mm fans, and are working out fine, it's pretty obvious their claims no longer carry any weight.
 
Direfox said:
With the fan issue, a lot of other companies have overcome this problem, but I wonder why there aren't any PSUs with Centrifugal blowers built into the case itself. If the noise could be kept down this could deliver the air needed.
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Size limitations in the ATX/EPS specification most likely. You can't put them in the top without using all solid caps as the primary caps in sufficient capacitance are too tall for it too fit (and those caps in solid would be very pricey), and you can't put it in the back without significantly lengthening the case.
 
SphincterBoy said:
What some may consider to be outdated principles, others may consider to be dedication to quality. They have repeatedly stressed why they believe non-modular is superior.

If I can't find one of their units, who else is considered top of the line? A quality PSU is important to me in my new build.
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The ONLY other companies where every single PSU model in their current line-ups can be recommended are Corsair, Enermax, Seasonic & Zippy.

All other companies have some "weak links" in their line-up.
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I've heard November...or even tomorrow...but you know how rumors go
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I understand early November was the target, but I truly don't know if it still is or what is happening right now.
 
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SphincterBoy said:
What some may consider to be outdated principles, others may consider to be dedication to quality. They have repeatedly stressed why they believe non-modular is superior.

If I can't find one of their units, who else is considered top of the line? A quality PSU is important to me in my new build.
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If you want a leafblower, buy a Zippy.
 
JoeBob said:
I would love to see anybody actually try to actually confirm 100% how PCP&C FUD was ever true. They themselves have only made claims, and not even once backed them up with facts. Seeing as pretty much everybody and their dog (well except PCP&C) in the PSU business have units with modular cables and 120/140mm fans, and are working out fine, it's pretty obvious their claims no longer carry any weight.
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The current PCP&C review here on HardOCP is already a big FUD indication. They took the Seasonic M12D platform, removed the modular interface and made room for the 80 mm fan. The result was equal or worse ripple and voltage output numbers than the original platform, showing that there were no noticeable benefits to PCP&C's approach to designing a PSU :)
 
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