I'm sure it's been said here somewhere, but while the cost of entry may be higher, it seems there are a ton more sales on PC games, most notably on Steam.
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PC Gaming Misconceptions?
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You say this, but when you go in gamestop, it is mainly kids and their parents. I believe that parents prefer B&M stores to shop at for gifts, and do not get on places like amazon or ebay to purchase games used. I also believe that many of their used games come from children/teens who do not use Amazon/ebay/craigslist to sell games. To an adult it may make sense to use ebay/amazon to buy/sell games but to many younger people they either do not have the accounts or a credit card to make the transactions needed for those services...
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A single 1 gb Nvidia 460 GTX would be enough juice to run every PC game today at acceptable fidelity.
$99 on Newegg.
$99 on Newegg.
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What has to be considered is a PC can be used for much,much more than gaming. And as has been pointed out,it really isn't that expensive to equip a PC to play the majority of today's games. And with options like Steam available,those games are usually much cheaper than the console equivalents. And unlike consoles,a PC can gradually be upgraded to keep pace with advancements in gaming.
I think some of the major issues with console gamers not moving to PC are:
1. They aren't quite hard core enough gamers and just want to shoot people in the face on MW3.
2. They aren't aware of the graphical prowess even a cheaper PC can produce. My brother (a console gamer at the time) would question me why I spent $1000 on my PC. I showed him GTA4 maxed out at 1080p using iCEnhancer and the best cars, textures, and realism mods. He then understood. He is now a PC gamer.
3. People don't want to deal with the frustration that can come with PC gaming like fixing your own bugs, viruses, having to generally know what the hell you're doing, etc. Yes, most of us don't have these problems, but n00bs do.
4. People are using smartphones and tablets more and more while the desktop PC gets used less and less. Why PC game when you can get a near similar experience gameplay wise and a much less detailed, though decent enough graphics with a console and just surf the web and do other things on your tablet. Lets face it, for most consumers desktops are becoming less and less popular.
5. Console gamers aren't aware of the awesomeness that is the keyboard and mouse. Most are scared to even try it because they "prefer" a controller.
6. Console gamers aren't aware that a vast majority of PC games support controllers and that the Xbox 360 wired controller has plug and play support.
7. Of course upfront costs. If someone doesn't already own a half decent PC and doesn't have the choice of just throwing in a video card have to start from the ground up...sometimes even get a monitor and all accessories. Even on the cheap this can be quite costly. Think $100 monitor, $50 accessories, $400-500 for a PC, then games...easily upwards up $600-700 just to get started. Especially if they don't have access to used parts or even know if used parts existed. Personally, even after being a PC gamer for years I had NO idea that used PC parts were a large online "thing".
That's pretty much everything I can think of. Quite some large hurtles to jump over just to move to a system of gaming for what, better graphics? I love it!
1. They aren't quite hard core enough gamers and just want to shoot people in the face on MW3.
2. They aren't aware of the graphical prowess even a cheaper PC can produce. My brother (a console gamer at the time) would question me why I spent $1000 on my PC. I showed him GTA4 maxed out at 1080p using iCEnhancer and the best cars, textures, and realism mods. He then understood. He is now a PC gamer.
3. People don't want to deal with the frustration that can come with PC gaming like fixing your own bugs, viruses, having to generally know what the hell you're doing, etc. Yes, most of us don't have these problems, but n00bs do.
4. People are using smartphones and tablets more and more while the desktop PC gets used less and less. Why PC game when you can get a near similar experience gameplay wise and a much less detailed, though decent enough graphics with a console and just surf the web and do other things on your tablet. Lets face it, for most consumers desktops are becoming less and less popular.
5. Console gamers aren't aware of the awesomeness that is the keyboard and mouse. Most are scared to even try it because they "prefer" a controller.
6. Console gamers aren't aware that a vast majority of PC games support controllers and that the Xbox 360 wired controller has plug and play support.
7. Of course upfront costs. If someone doesn't already own a half decent PC and doesn't have the choice of just throwing in a video card have to start from the ground up...sometimes even get a monitor and all accessories. Even on the cheap this can be quite costly. Think $100 monitor, $50 accessories, $400-500 for a PC, then games...easily upwards up $600-700 just to get started. Especially if they don't have access to used parts or even know if used parts existed. Personally, even after being a PC gamer for years I had NO idea that used PC parts were a large online "thing".
That's pretty much everything I can think of. Quite some large hurtles to jump over just to move to a system of gaming for what, better graphics? I love it!
Yeah, but the console is a dumbed down experience, auto aiming to cater for silly gamepads, no real racing sims as the HW struggles to render GFX and complex physics, IOW, the PC is the maximum gaming experience in most cases.
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Gamestop is but one example, and the only one I can think of at the time.
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That point is irrelevant and subjective. Not only do the majority of people not think to themselves 'So, what is the "maximum gaming experience"?' but it especially does not justify to them the initial difference in price.
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There is no way you can say with all things being equal PC has nothing above console.
Look at BF3. Look at the graphics! Side by side there is no comparison.
Only the PC offers up to 64 players.
The graphics alone on any reasonably current PC are way better than any console.
The only thing I like consoles for are racing games, sports, and side scrollers
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Nope, but $400 would get you there without needing an upscale. Pretty cheap IMO.
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Not the clearest statement, I meant not to much above consoles in terms of price.
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_PixelNinja
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For your average Joe, that is still $100 more than a console that will last you longer while that PC will be obsolete in a short amount of time.
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Consoles by the time the next gen come around are beyond obsolete, the technical quality of games is reduced to support crappy hardware to make a console owner think that it's better than it really is.
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Console gaming and pc gaming both have their advantages and disadvantages. I wouldn't say either is necessarily "better" than the other. I would say that pc gaming is definitely more expensive but it's all in how you look at it I guess.
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The PC may not run OMFG-level settings after 3 years, but it'll still look better than a console by a longshot
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The PC may not run OMFG-level settings after 3 years, but it'll still look better than a console by a longshot
But how will it work stability and compatibility wise after 5 years? For example, 5 years before BF3 released was 2006. How many $100-150 DX 10 cards were there in 2006?
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PC maintenance and incompatibility issues are a huge hurdle for the average user over console gaming. Console games are getting worse at this, with patching and updating, but it's still drop in and play compared to most PC games.
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I kind of agree with you but that is beside the point in the grand scheme of things in my opinion. I really think a lot of PC gamers lack objectivity – we are effectively running modern games on 7 year old console technology. That in itself is a feat. Try playing Crysis 2 or The Witcher 2 on a 7 year old PC at the same fidelity as on console. It is not going to happen.
As John Carmack has stated, the consoles are extremely well optimized and while the PC has a magnitude of 10 times the power of current consoles, the games are not 10 times better looking nor performing. Hence my point – price per performance the consoles are very interesting for people who do not have the budget to invest in a good gaming PC and who want a decent gaming experience.
I agree. I've played all my life on both PC and console and get quite tired of the PC Gaming Master Race mantra to be honest.
I'm not sure I agree with that, but to go back to what I wrote at the begging of this post, how about after 4-5 to 7 years?The PC may not run OMFG-level settings after 3 years, but it'll still look better than a console by a longshot
I think too this is another big decision making factor for those who chose between PC and consoles.
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I don't think anyone has mentioned an important factor for young gamers is the fact you can watch porn on a PC all day/night and all for free!
Let's see an xbox or ps3 seamlessly handle porn and then we are talking -- i mean what 15 year old kid wouldn't want the ability to watch boobs on command?
seriously though - it's sad most people don't care about quality when it comes to gaming... looking at a low resolution 29fps washed out piece of crap just works for most people these days it seems.
Let's see an xbox or ps3 seamlessly handle porn and then we are talking -- i mean what 15 year old kid wouldn't want the ability to watch boobs on command?
seriously though - it's sad most people don't care about quality when it comes to gaming... looking at a low resolution 29fps washed out piece of crap just works for most people these days it seems.
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Most people trade in "used" games at Gamestop and get ripped off. I like holding on to PC games either for mods or hacks , at least there is potential for something in the future instead of just DLC or die like on consoles.
You can absolutely use the cost of games in the argument. PC games are cheaper.
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I already tried to explain that trading into gamestop is an absolute ripoff. I can buy a game and play it then sell it for $5-10 less than I paid, or even trade it for a game of equal value. Try trading games of equal value at gamestop. It isn't really possible. Some people would much rather do that than buy a game and never be able get rid of it.
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Was watching this guys intro video on his channel, i see people are still stuck on doing that bullshit where they put an obvious cut inbetween every other sentence for no apparent reason......
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If you are use to nothing but console quality graphics, you simply would be in the dark. Low resolution textures, the jagged edges, the poor draw distance and blurriness would be normal. Heck, you may believe it to be "high quality" since it's on a current generation console. 60FPS would be "too fast" if you were accustomed to 30 FPS.
I will freely admit to having this same mentality until 3dfx opened my eyes with the original Voodoo. Once I saw Tomb Raider on my dorm mate's PC with a "3D Add-On" card compared to my PSX version, I was converted. I have not looked back since.
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You're still taking a much bigger hit losing 10-20 bucks selling it (and still paying the initial cost originally of 50-60), than just buying it outright for $5-10 as a digital download in the first place on the PC. I already explained that. Selling is never guaranteed, either, there are also potential issues with scammers, chargebacks, shipping problems, etc. I'd rather pay $5-10, even 15-20, for a brand new nice PC game on a sale a week after release, than pay $50-60 up front, hassle with selling it for 30 bucks minus shipping/fees giving me 20 bucks, to then pay 50-60 more bucks for another game and not even have the old one to show for it.
I guess that's true, many people simply don't know better. Heck, even in this thread, despite being presented with evidence to the contrary and factual data about it, some are proclaiming a console is going to give you a better gaming experience with on-par graphics for a longer time.
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Just a tip for people arguing about a video card becoming outdated: it's still going to give you the better graphics it did when it was new, compared to the console that hasn't moved at all, since it was stronger in the first place. It may not run the uber-level settings on newer games but it will still play them better than a console in 99% of cases even 5 years later. If you bought a 360 at launch it was $400, and a PS3 was $600.
As I mentioned above, I got a nice gaming notebook that demolishes any console for $335 shipped at the end of May, as an example. A 360 with a few games is still going to run you $250 for the one with the HDD, plus $45-50 each game for anything recent, so let's call it 400. Add in an Xbox Live card so you can even go online for a year, and there's another $40. The PC on the other hand cost me less, and I can get recent games for $5-10 easily, and brand-new releases for 20 or less on just about every single title I've bought in the last several years (which I have done so). Add in a few games even at the high end of that price range and it's still coming out cheaper, while offering a superior experience, and in this case it even included the TV---I mean, monitor
(which I could use an HDMI cable to a TV if I wanted a big screen experience).Realistically though, most people own a computer and a TV already, so it's just the video card cost in which case a $99 GTX 460 1GB is going to trounce a console, and be way cheaper. If it gets outdated in 3-4 years, buy another 100 card at that point. You're still better off
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I don't know of any $60 PC game that has gone down to $5-10 after a week. You also assume that all console games are $50-60. They aren't. Amazon often has sales for well known console games for $15-20 or so. Still, games are more expensive on consoles but your example is false. By the time a game hits $5-10, its console counter parts will likely be $15-20 new as well.
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Steam sales, EA Origin sales, and amazon sales have been awesome to me.
I paid $45 for Mass Effect 2, Dead Space 2, and Battlefield 3 Limited Edition pre-order as a package, before the game even had launched.
Other examples include $20 for Max Payne 3 (PC) at launch with a digital download key, recently. GreenManGaming has had it for 25 often as well.
Console games tend to stay much higher on pricing for much longer, than their PC counterparts. You also can barely ever find deals on brand new console games, whereas PC ones you can get pretty readily for much less even pre-ordering or when they're barely out the door.
EDIT: Oh, and I also forgot about other ones like NFS The Run which I grabbed for ~$20 a little while after launch when the console one was still going for 50+, just as another example.
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120fps>>>>>>>30fps.
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No, just a half-decent PC at quality settings that still make a console look like an NES. The *ONLY* benefit of a console is convenience for people who really can't understand tech and how to hook things up, in my opinion. It offers a nice, easy, plug&play experience as far as cabling since you just plop the box on your TV stand, hook the HDMI in, hook the power in, and go. However, you pay for it in high pricing and unbelievably poorer graphics quality + framerate making it look stuttery/choppy, and paying for online play.
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I agree. While pc games can be bought for less, I thunk the price difference being used in that example is greatly exaggerated.
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Many people really have no idea how true this is. It doesn't even become completely evident until you've been running at 120 Hz for a while and then go back down to 60 or 30 Hz.120fps>>>>>>>30fps.
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Haha, yeah. Those are called jump cuts, they are annoying as hell but since all the popular youtubers do it, every other youtuber thinks they should do it too. It's really dumb, I agree.
This guy nailed it though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64cWzSaiaWQ
LeninGHOLA
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That's still 2-3x the cost.
pc gaming is more expensive but there are a couple things you need to take into account.
what were the xbox 360s when they first came out, like $500?
and a few years later the new xbox will be out and cost more.
you can just cash out $1000 on a pc that will last you much longer, if your not a die hard that upgrades often.
what were the xbox 360s when they first came out, like $500?
and a few years later the new xbox will be out and cost more.
you can just cash out $1000 on a pc that will last you much longer, if your not a die hard that upgrades often.
It's still true though, and if someone reads this they might think twice about buying a silly console as they're a laggy 640p POS compared to unlimited FPS+M&KB and peripherals of your choice.
Funny, I'm still on my 2008 PC with new HDD and lowly 6850 and she's still chugging along quite well.
POS PS3 was $1000aud in Australia, LOL.
Core was $299
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#1 misconception from non-gaming & console gaming people...
PC gaming is going to die tomorrow
This is a definite falsehood that just won't go away but most of us know that PC gaming is a resilient morphing beast.
PC gaming is going to die tomorrow
This is a definite falsehood that just won't go away but most of us know that PC gaming is a resilient morphing beast.
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