P4 2.4 or AMD 64 2800+?

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Wich one is better? NOTE: the AMD is in a desktop and the P4 is i a laptop, not that this makes a difference...?
 
I would get the AMD chip. A P4 at 2.4 is not going to be as fast as an AMD Athlon64 2800. Just not going to happen. Plus with Windows XP 64 out, you can run a 64-bit OS on the AMD chip if you want. :)
 
oh, just traded my desktop with a amd 64 2800+ in it for the P4 2.4ghz same specs otherwise.
 
I have an Athlon64 3400+ and an Intel Pentium4 3.2GHz laptop, and the laptop is WAY slower from the 133MHz FSB (533MHz for the quad pumping). Idunno why, but laptop chips from Intel are terribly gimped.
 
Depends on if you need the portability of a laptop. 2.4Ghz for a laptop isn't too bad (relatively speaking). Probably not an ultra portable if it's running a desktop chip in the laptop, but it'll get the job done. If I were building a desktop, I'd go the 2800+ route everytime.
 
Can the P4-M 2.4ghz, wich is what i have, run Hal-life 2? (video Card: ATI Mobility Raidon 9700 64meg) if so, what do you think the max FPS would be?
 
I'm sure the P4-M can run HL2 perfectly. That's the Centrino, right?
 
isnt centrino just a term for any laptop with a mobile intel cpu, 855 chipset and wireless?

anyways, I'd go for the A64.
 
well, its a P4, not centrieno. it dose have intergrated wireless though.
 
P-M is the chip associated with the centrino.

P4M is pretty much a P4 in a laptop.
 
Well, that still dose not anwser my question, will a P4M play half-life 2? if so, what FPS? refer to the specs in my sig.
 
leptoon said:
Can the P4-M 2.4ghz, wich is what i have, run Hal-life 2? (video Card: ATI Mobility Raidon 9700 64meg) if so, what do you think the max FPS would be?
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Should run fine, even at pretty high detail and resolution...
Hard to give a max fps, but 30 fps minimum should be no problem...
With my 9600Pro in my 1800+, it ran over 150 fps in some places, even in 1024x768 4xAA, 16xAF, full detail... I guess that your system would be even faster than that.
 
My 2.4c love it I dont see a need to go A64 as of yet...

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leptoon said:
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Trim that signature down a bit, jesus. Your parallel port doesnt need it's own line.

Yeah, a P4M should be able to play half life 2, because it's a pentium 4!
 
The A64 2800+ is roughly equal to a 2.8 GHz P4, thus the 2.4 GHz is slower. The centrino chips are crazy fast though. I had a 1.4 GHz Pentium M Centrino laptop and the cpu outperformed my desktop's 2.0 that was oced to 2.42 GHz. Actually I have seen some unreal benchmarks too, the new Dothan core PM chip with 2MB L2 will outperform the A64 FX55 in games when the centrino chip is overclocked and is close to the same performance stock.
 
thats a fx55 at STOCK settings though. if you oc the dorthan to the max and oc the fx55 to the max, phase change ln2 dry ice whatever, the fx55 will come out on top. my 2800+ @ 2.5ghz probably performs at fx53 level when the fx53 is at stock. but who runs at stock? NO ONE! and ive seen that article, thats what stock vs. full oc will get you.
 
yea, well those people will run their dorthan m's at stock. my point is people who are gonna buy a fx55 are gonna overclock, and people who buy a pentium M dorthan most likely arent gonna overclock.
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
dorthan
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dothan :)

more poeple thank you think ill buy an FX55 to not overclock. just look at all the people that will buy one from alienware - its a niche market, sure, but so is that particular processor altogether
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
yea, well those people will run their dorthan m's at stock. my point is people who are gonna buy a fx55 are gonna overclock, and people who buy a pentium M dorthan most likely arent gonna overclock.
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"I been sayin it!! I been sayin it for ten damn years!!!!"

quote from the movie independance day...... :D
 
lithium726 said:
dothan :)

more poeple thank you think ill buy an FX55 to not overclock. just look at all the people that will buy one from alienware - its a niche market, sure, but so is that particular processor altogether
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True.... but I will bet that you got more FX55 OC's, then Dothan OC's...

As such that comparison was flawed and invalid....
 
duby229 said:
True.... but I will bet that you got more FX55 OC's, then Dothan OC's...

As such that comparison was flawed and invalid....
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i was not making any sort of comparison, yet simply stating that many people buy a top of the line chip and OC it. Dothan OC's are getting more common now, as you can pin mod the 533fsb in laptops.
 
alienware will never be legit in my eyes, and things that arent legit, dont count. dothans are good chips, im not hating on them, but comparing a overclocked dothan and a stock fx55, thats like comparing a overclocked venice to a stock p4 EE. its unfair cause you get additional ram boosts and all sorts of junk.
 
Ya....

I actually kinda like the PM.... It's not a bad chip... It can't outperform an A64 right now, but architecturally it has the potential. Sure there are a handfull of games it does well in... Every chip has its strong suits.... But most tasks will be much faster on an A64.... That is until Intel finally gets there desktop PM derivitive out on the market.... Which prolly won't be until Q1 07-Q3 07....

Just a guess... I have no proof to backup this claim... I'm just shootin in the wind here... The reason I'm willing to make this speculation though is becouse Intel has been bustin there asses trying to catch up... I mean hell, they completely reorganized there entire corporation for cryin' out loud... And put the former PM team leader in charge of the division will design there next geneation chips....
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
alienware will never be legit in my eyes, and things that arent legit, dont count. dothans are good chips, im not hating on them, but comparing a overclocked dothan and a stock fx55, thats like comparing a overclocked venice to a stock p4 EE. its unfair cause you get additional ram boosts and all sorts of junk.
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how in the hell is alienware not "legit"? for anyone that doenst know crap about computers, theyre the "kickass gaming computers that cost a fortune"

they make PC's and people buy them. i dont know how thats not legit.

BTW: i believe intel is ditching netburst (p4) in Q2 '06
 
i think they are gonna use the PM arcitechture soon, cause they quikc saying p4 3.2ghz and started using p4 660, and the average consumer wants the highest number, just like they wanted the highest clock speed in the past days. they made this switch cause they've been doing the whole more ghz = more power thing for soo long, that if they made a pentium D 1.8ghz then the consumer would be like WTF?? so pentium put the nubmer system into play, and will avoid the more ghz = better thing.

edit: they arent legit cause they charge 2000 bucks for a computer that costs 1000 bucks to the person willing to go out and buy the stuff themselves. 1000 bucks to build a computer is illegitimate to me.
 
BTW: i believe intel is ditching netburst (p4) in Q2 '06
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It won't be 64bit... And that would kill them... That is why I think it will be 07 sometime... Anyhow either way, whether it be 06 or 07, I think it will be a nice chip that will give the A64 a run for it's money....

OOPS :D Sorry for taking this thread off topic.....
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
edit: they arent legit cause they charge 2000 bucks for a computer that costs 1000 bucks to the person willing to go out and buy the stuff themselves. 1000 bucks to build a computer is illegitimate to me.
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its an open market. if people are willing to pay it, they can charge whatever the want. your logic makes absoutly no sense, at all. overcharging != illegitimate.

id also like proof that theyre overcharging 1k, that sounds a youre exaggerating a bit, especially on a system that would only cost 1k otherwise. Dell would stomp them into the ground if that were the case.

It won't be 64bit... And that would kill them... That is why I think it will be 07 sometime... Anyhow either way, whether it be 06 or 07, I think it will be a nice chip that will give the A64 a run for it's money....
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why wouldnt it be? its not that hard to tack on an instruction set like they did with the p4's

dothan is not going to come to desktop - its going to be a mix of the techs from the pentium m and the pentium 4 - the pentium m is just weak in certain things things that intel cant lose - the most prominant being SIMD streaming apps.
 
Mobile P4's.... No thanks. I would take a Desktop Athoon 64. (and I am an intel guy!)

However if your Laptop had a 2.13 Ghz Pentium M Dothan :drools:
 
lithuim i meant like you can fully overclock a rig that cost you 1k to perform up to what a 2k dollar system from them would do. and yea i guess overcharging != illegitimate, but im not a fan of price gouging, but its not my money that they are spending.
 
why wouldnt it be? its not that hard to tack on an instruction set like they did with the p4's
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That is exactly why the P4 is getting stomped into the ground right now.... They "tacked" WAY TOOOOO MANY things on.... Rather than doing things right the first time....

I think it is clear that Intel has learned from there mistakes though, and I think Intel WILL do things right this time.... But it aint right yet..... And it prolly won't be until 07 sometime.....
 
CCUABIDExORxDIE said:
lithuim i meant like you can fully overclock a rig that cost you 1k to perform up to what a 2k dollar system from them would do. and yea i guess overcharging != illegitimate, but im not a fan of price gouging, but its not my money that they are spending.
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people who buy alienware rigs dont overclock. they dont know a motherboard from a graphics card

we are enthusiasts. we want best bang for buck/overclocking potential. average consumers just want the best performance htey can get, and think that is the pricetag on it.
 
we are enthusiasts. we want best bang for buck/overclocking potential. average consumers just want the best performance htey can get, and think that is the pricetag on it.
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Yep.... That is absolutely correct sir....

That is why OC'd dothan is not a fair comparison with a stock FX55.....
 
I think you won't find that many Dothans OC'ed for the simple reason that they are notebook processors, and most notebooks will not have overclocking options.

However, if you would just look at the Dothans used in desktop systems... well, those people are probably at least as likely to OC, perhaps even more likely, since a Dothan desktop system is for the 'connaisseur' :)
 
they've been doing the whole more ghz = more power thing for soo long
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Erm, for years more GHz WAS more power.
I have never seen Intel specifically market the clockspeed as performance though (yes, OEMs like Packard Bell did, but not Intel).
Intel generally likes to market new architectures, new features, stuff like that.
And until the P4, indeed the clockspeed determined performance... especially since each new architecture got faster per clock, or at least remained at about the same level (slight dip going from Pentium to PPro). And in the P4's defense... the clockspeed was increased by enough to bridge the gap with PIII.

But I have never seen Intel advertise that their CPUs were faster just because they ran at higher clockspeeds than AMDs... in fact, I have never seen Intel actually compare their CPUs to any competitor at all. At most they might have advertised that models at higher clockspeeds were faster than their own models at lower clockspeeds.
 
Scali said:
And until the P4, indeed the clockspeed determined performance... especially since each new architecture got faster per clock, or at least remained at about the same level (slight dip going from Pentium to PPro). And in the P4's defense... the clockspeed was increased by enough to bridge the gap with PIII.

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i thought they made slight comprimises when they switched between pentium's - a PPro would beat a PII at teh same clock speed, and PII would beat a PIII at the same clock speed, and i wont even go to the PIII and P4 :p

anyway, that might have been true of the higher end p4's - but with the low end, like the 1.3's to 1.7's - they really were'nt fast enough to justify the money to spend on the performance increase, 900mhz p3 or so could beat up on a 1.3ghz p4 - and the 1.4's were keeping up with the 1.8-2ghz chips.
 
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