Overclocked 670 vs 7850

Dev1ant said:
You are wrong, let me reiterate that the extra bandwidth is worth it. You might say it does not matter. Games which struggle to hit 50 fps at 1600p like BF3, Crysis 2, Alan Wake, Witcher 2, Shogun 2 , Batman AC are more relevant than a Portal 2 or Mass effect 3 which even a USD 200 card like GTX 560 Ti can max out at 1600p. I don't look at games which are doing some crazy 100+ fps cause it won't matter which card (HD 7950 or GTX 670) runs that game, you won't be able to tell any difference.

J/King lol, I'm just tired of the same crap being posted over and over (copypastas?) by the same users as much as you are. Sonda is already on my ignore list as is raghu, here's a link to add them if you haven't yet, it'll save you a lot of headache with the same shit thrown at you even when you argue with them:
http://hardforum.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
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Hah, good idea. When credibility no longer exists and posts turn to spam, its time to add to the ignore list.
 
raghu78 said:
You should be looking at a HD 7950 OC

Sapphire HD 7950 OC (950 Mhz) - USD 410
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102991

http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1157&pid=1551&psn=&lid=1&leg=0

from the product page
"The new design is HD 7970 class that enables more head room for overclocking".

I don't think you will have any problem getting this card to 1100+ in Sapphire Trixx at stock voltage. With extra voltage you can do 1200 Mhz. If you want a clue as to what performance you can get at 1150 - 1200 Mhz speeds

HD 7950 (1150 Mhz)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-guide/10

HD 7950 (1195 Mhz)
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/03/01/xfx_radeon_hd_7950_black_edition_video_card_review/8

I don't think you can get a better buy at the USD 400 price point. HD 7950 OC will beat GTX 670 OC in the most demanding games . Even in BF3 a 1200 Mhz HD 7950 can match a 1250+ Mhz GTX 670. Whereas in games where the GTX 600 cards hit bandwidth bottlenecks like Metro 2033, Crysis Warhead the HD 7950 OC will be clearly faster (15 - 20%).

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-670-directcu-ii-top-review/16
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus-directcu-ii-top-review/18
Metro 2033 1080p (Very high with DOF and AAA)
GTX 670 (1058 / 1137 boost) - 39
GTX 680 (1137 / 1267 boost) - 41
HD 7950 (1150) - 50

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5699/nvidia-geforce-gtx-680-review/7

from the review

"While Crysis was a strong game for the GTX 580, the same cannot be said of the GTX 680. NVIDIA is off to a very poor start here, with the Radeon HD 7970 easily outperforming the GTX 680, and even the 7950 is tied or nearly tied with the GTX 680 depending on the resolution. On the bright side the GTX 680 does manage to outperform the GTX 580, but only by a relatively meager 17%.

Given the large gap in theoretical performance between the GTX 680 and GTX 580, as it turns out we’ve run into one of the few scenarios where the GTX 680 doesn’t improve on the GTX 580: memory bandwidth. In our overclocking results we discovered that a core overclock had almost no impact on Crysis, whereas a memory overclock improved performance by 8%, almost exactly as much as the memory overclock itself. "

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/866-9/benchmark-alan-wake.html

Games like BF3, Alan Wake, Crysis 2, Witcher 2, Anno 2070, Shogun 2 Total war, Batman AC, Metro 2033, Crysis Warhead are the most demanding games. HD 7950 OC will win more than lose against GTX 670 OC. After spending US 400 you wouldn't want to be bandwidth constrained in any games in the future. Speak to HD 7950 OC users on these forums and then decide based on their feedback. :)
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No offense, but I thought you were banned on trolling a couple weeks ago. How did you get bailed out? Could be jailbreaking. :) We need to call police on you!!
 
yanmeng said:
No offense, but I thought you were banned on trolling a couple weeks ago. How did you get bailed out? Could be jailbreaking. :) We need to call police on you!!
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I wouldn't bother about the past. I guess I needed a lesson. I am restricting myself to only talking about the products. not people . I suggest you do that :D
 
Bump for opinions on current prices. I've seen the Sapphire 7850 for $185 and the Gigabyte 670 for $360. That's a massive price bump for what amounts to 50% more performance.

Considering the super cheap price of the AMD card...It's just tough stomaching the Nvidia price even though I know I'd rather have it. FWIW, I LOVE MSAA and plan on a 120hz panel soon.
 
I've owned both actually, a 7850 and 670. Ultimately it comes down to what resolution are you playing, and how much graphic detail do you want? A 7850 overclocked will run just about any game you want right now at 1080p with all the graphics detail at max at 40+ frames per sec, only exceptions being Metro 2033 and Witcher 2 and Crysis series. Otherwise most all games run at very high frames. I went with a 670 because I wanted 60fps in every game at 1080p with 8xAA and it does that. I recently made a switch to a 30" monitor and now I'm running 2560x1600 res and surprisingly the 670 is handling it just fine too, most games are still 60fps, only the above mentioned games had to be dropped from 8xAA to keep framerates above 40fps.
 
shadyqwerty said:
Bump for opinions on current prices. I've seen the Sapphire 7850 for $185 and the Gigabyte 670 for $360. That's a massive price bump for what amounts to 50% more performance.

Considering the super cheap price of the AMD card...It's just tough stomaching the Nvidia price even though I know I'd rather have it. FWIW, I LOVE MSAA and plan on a 120hz panel soon.
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I'm seeing MSI 7850s for 170 now

but why not go with 7950? they're at around 270 after mir, it's essentially the same performance as the 670 but cheaper by quite a bit
 
Sapphire 7850 175 @ superbiiz a few days ago
7870 his iceq 200 @ Amazon today
Msi 670 315 @ newegg earlier today
Msi 660 205 @ egg now

Deals are out there. ;)

7950 suffers in games like Batman vs 670.

I've settled on the 660 tho. Who needs aa!
 
shadyqwerty said:
Sapphire 7850 175 @ superbiiz a few days ago
7870 his iceq 200 @ Amazon today
Msi 670 315 @ newegg earlier today
Msi 660 205 @ egg now

Deals are out there. ;)

7950 suffers in games like Batman vs 670.

I've settled on the 660 tho. Who needs aa!
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...Hz+Edition+H787Q2G2M+Video+Card&condition=new

The HIS Iceq HD 7870 is a very nice card for 200 bucks. easily faster than GTX 660. HD 7870 also scales better with overclocking because of a full 32 ROP 256 bit memory system compared to GTX 660 with 192 bit memory and 24 ROP.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_7870_PCS_Plus_Vortex_II/27.html

1920 X 1200
GTX 660 - 85
HD 7870 - 91

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660/4/

1920 x 1200
GTX 660 - 100
HD 7870 - 111

anyway if you have made the purchase good luck.
 
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For $170 price range the 7850 is very tempting value for Xfire action but I've done SLI and Xfire and single powerful card has worked better for me.

For $170 the HD7850 is a great value IMO. The HD7950 for $270 is also a great value and some of the HD7970s are hitting $300 price range. Nice to see 28nm pricing from AMD coming down to reasonable levels.
 
raghu78 said:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...Hz+Edition+H787Q2G2M+Video+Card&condition=new

The HIS Iceq HD 7870 is a very nice card for 200 bucks. easily faster than GTX 660. HD 7870 also scales better with overclocking because of a full 32 ROP 256 bit memory system compared to GTX 660 with 192 bit memory and 24 ROP.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_7870_PCS_Plus_Vortex_II/27.html

1920 X 1200
GTX 660 - 85
HD 7870 - 91

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2012/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660/4/

1920 x 1200
GTX 660 - 100
HD 7870 - 111

anyway if you have made the purchase good luck.
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I could t pull the trigger. Just don't game very much anymore. :/
 
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I would like a new card but my 4870 still plays Batman AC just fine and I am not planning on upgrading my CPU at this time
 
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