Opteron 165/170 VS. E6300

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Wich0

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I have S939 rig and I wanna upgrade my A64 3000+ to an Opteron 165/170. Do you guys think I should just get one of these processors or move to Core 2 Duo E6300 ? Is there alot of performance difference to justify buying NEW MOBO and MEM.
 
Yes, especially if you are willing to overclock. An E6300 can get up to 3.0ghz with a good board and Ram. Stock for stock I am not sure, as I have never owned a 165 or 170, but my E6400 at 3.2ghz is tons faster than my old 2.6ghz Athlon64.
 
You sure you can't get more out of the 3000+? I'd guess you can hit 2.5 GHz.

I think you'd benefit more from another GB of ram than a new processor. I didn't notice any improvement going from a 3000+ at 2.5 GHz to my Opty 165.

Do you do anything that's very CPU intensive?
 
Unless you're itching for a big hardware upgrade, a 165/170 would be a decent upgrade. You basically keep everything other than your CPU. Total cost - $150-175 as opposed to a $500 upgrade. Yes, you'd see more of a performance upgrade moving to E6300, but maybe not enough to justify the cost. A 165@2.6Ghz is basically an FX-60, and at 2.4Ghz is 4800+ speed. You can compare the benchmarks yourself to see if it's worth it.
 
yes I would get the opteron 170 because i am not sure if your mobo can go over 300fsb
 
Adidas4275 said:
yes I would get the opteron 170 because i am not sure if your mobo can go over 300fsb
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I've never pushed it harder than 2.2ghz because my idle temps are 41C with XP-90. I guess I can try up to 2.4+. I play some games like CS Source, BF2, etc but mostly just basic computer usage (web surfing e-mail etc). I want a good setup for Vista though.


edit: is there a site that compares benchmarks for opty 165/170 vs E6300?
 
sissandra the program will have compairsons on their benchmark for the C2Ds and any other CPU including opterons. but they will not be Overclocked
 
Wich0 said:
I've never pushed it harder than 2.2ghz because my idle temps are 41C with XP-90. I guess I can try up to 2.4+. I play some games like CS Source, BF2, etc but mostly just basic computer usage (web surfing e-mail etc). I want a good setup for Vista though.


edit: is there a site that compares benchmarks for opty 165/170 vs E6300?
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See how high it'll go on stock voltage, it won't likely rise in temps much til you increase voltage. Keep Coretemp load voltage under 60C and you'll be fine.

You don't need a C2D to play game or surf, it would be a waste of money. You can definitely use more ram though - BF2 likes 2 GB of ram.

Be wary of benchmarks using an 8800GTX to judge CPU differences. If they compared with your video card, a C2D wouldn't be much faster.
 
I recently got a oem 170 from newegg. Stepping CCB1E 0609fpaw. I was able to hit 290 x 10 @ 1.35v 24hrs orthos stable.
 
skinnypotbelly:

wow, nice oc. I also have a 170, could only keep it stable at 2.4, core 0 isa poontang. what kind of temps are u getting with that oc, and what type of cooling are you using?

krueL
 
Honestly I went from a Opty 148 single core(OCd to 2910mhz) to a C2D 6300 Overclocked to 3000+ and I didnt notice a difference. Games look and play the same for me.

My DFI Expert with the 148, GeilONE ram and a pair of 7600GTs in SLI was over 11K in 3DMark05

My Abit AB9Pro, Corsair XMS2 and the 6300 at 3100Mhz with a 7900GS wouldnt go over 9K in 3Dmark05

If you arent a huge OCer go with what ever is a better deal to you (dont forget the X2 3800)

And if that isant enough to start a Intel AMD flaming war, I had a lot of problems trying to get Raid running with the Intel chipsets. Some 965mobos have NO Raid controllers (Biostar for one) and the Abit has 3 different controllers and all 3 were a pain to me. I just sold it and went back to AMD..
 
my E6300 was at 3.36ghz with cheaper DDR2, however, i can see that an opty 165 is a deal if you just have some TCCD or BH-5 laying around and a nice DFI mobo. if i had to buy all new stuff i'd go E6400/DS3/1gb G.Skill 1GBHZ. that will do 3.4ghz EASY. then again, the stuff that i do (crunching for XS.org) requires raw horsepower. so it really is up to you. as you can see i've got all my rigs running on C2D though. it's very worth it to move up, but if you cannot afford it just go 165. it's a great proc.
 
If you play games and you do not have a Nvidia 8800 you will not see a difference in either processor
 
i think that the core2duo may be good for a new system, but if you've already got s939 parts than the cost is seriously skewed in favor of the 939 setup. i just bought an x2 3800+ and a zalman cnps7700 for $130 shipped from someone on the forums. these processors aren't especially expensive, but you can save even more by picking up a perfectly good one used. the 7700 is worth more than $30 imo, so it means i got a dual core processor for under $100 shipped. even new, i think the x2 is a better deal, as you have to take into account the intel motherboard tax. the processors may be close in price, and ddr2 is now at the same price or cheaper than ddr1, but intel motherboards are still much more expensive so it makes the total system cost higher.

if you're the sort that needs ultimate performance numbers than the core2duo is definately top end, but imo, in the real world, they're both similar platforms. for my gaming/photoshopping/internetting, my x2 @ 2700mhz seems to do just fine. it just feels smooth and fast enough that for the first time in my computer owning life, i'm not really looking to more speed in the future. i can't wait to see what new capabilities processors come out with, and how future apps will use them(like making use of virtualization technology), but as far as currents apps go, my desire for processor speed is sated.
 
kirbyrj said:
Unless you're itching for a big hardware upgrade, a 165/170 would be a decent upgrade. You basically keep everything other than your CPU. Total cost - $150-175 as opposed to a $500 upgrade. Yes, you'd see more of a performance upgrade moving to E6300, but maybe not enough to justify the cost. A 165@2.6Ghz is basically an FX-60, and at 2.4Ghz is 4800+ speed. You can compare the benchmarks yourself to see if it's worth it.
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QFT. That'd be a great upgrade.
 
well, no one can make you choose one or the other. However, my 170 is currently running at 3.0 and i am pretty happy with it. Right now PC Probe is showing 44c for temp with Super Pi running in the background. Personally, i couldn't be happier with my opty...but that is just me ;)
 
Overvolt said:
well, no one can make you choose one or the other. However, my 170 is currently running at 3.0 and i am pretty happy with it. Right now PC Probe is showing 44c for temp with Super Pi running in the background. Personally, i couldn't be happier with my opty...but that is just me ;)
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Cool.. I get mine on Monday and hope to hit 3.0 and then its 8800GTX time.:cool:
 
I just upgrade from a 3200+ to opty 165 (brought from another guy here)

I havent got my opty from him yet, but he can get it up to 3.0G with A8N32

I hope I can even go over that, because I saw a DFI Venus by accident, and just brought it.

It's better than A8N32 IMO:p

I just wish my rams wont hold things back
 
I just went from a 4200+ X2 to a Opty 165 because i wanted to avoid all the hassle of going to C2D right now and just keep my current hardware till atleast K8L! :D
 
Do you guys suppose an FX-60 for $379 (plus tax and shipping) is still worth it? Right now I'm using a 3200+ on my A8N-SLI Premium and I'm craving for a Dual core CPU, but it's so hard to pick one especially with my limited $$$. Debating on the Opty 170 or 175 since they have a 10x/11x multiplier and my memory is crappy.
 
No way is it worth $379. I wouldn't spend over $200 for a dual core s939 part. Even with crappy memory, you should still be fine. Just change the divider and you will be fine with a lower 165/170 Opty.
 
Battle_Rattle said:
If you did this i would send ninjas after you... mean ones........ real mean
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Then I will have my two dogs ready for them. Hehhee...kidding aside, what's the better option: X2 3800 or Opty 170? Roughly the same price.
 
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