OLED is coming!

[adamj023]

From LG:

The company currently has one OLED manufacturing production line which can churn out screens smaller than 15 inches, mainly for mobile phones, but it plans to expand production of these ultra-thin screens by setting up a new OLED production line in the first half of 2010.

The Kodak/LG merger will pay off. As soon as these plants are built and monitors of good sizes start pumping I will see if this will be the camel which finally causes me to dump this CRT.

Still on this Monitor which has started working fine again. I have to let it sit on for awhile and those lines disappear.

OLED is where it is at however. I am not touting which OLED will be the best, but LG seems to have made huge announcements regarding their plans and they seem to be the company of the time moving things forward. May the best OLED win!

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LG OLED division should be up soon which is based on the Kodak Technology. Good stuff.

It feels like yesterday I remember the ramping up of LCD to be the commonplace product of our time, and now as of 2010 the transistion to OLED has and will begin.

Love innovation and meritocracy and amazing stuff of our time and people doing right for each other. Dislike corporate greed and companies which do things that have a negative aspect on peoples lives. OLED is great for the environment too and energy costs and needs. A win win all around.

 

[Squalish]

For the next three years or so, OLED will be a distinctly worthwhile technology for mobile devices, but too expensive for desktop computer monitors.

On a camera or smartphone or a small netbook or GPS, OLED can mean double or triple the battery life.

On cameras, it can mean an digital viewfinder which is high-res enough to focus correctly.

Love innovation and meritocracy and amazing stuff of our time and people doing right for each other. Dislike corporate greed and companies which do things that have a negative aspect on peoples lives. OLED is great for the environment too and energy costs and needs. A win win all around.

Merry CES to all, and to all, a good night

 

[Ravynmagi]

I'm not holding my breath. I doubt we'll see much in the way of desktop OLED displays in 2010 that are not astronomically priced. Being able to build larger OLED is one thing, doing it cheaper is still probably years off I think.

 

[Matija]

There won't be anything remotely affordable (if it even happens to exist) in the next three years.

 

[adamj023]

"For the next three years or so, OLED will be a distinctly worthwhile technology for mobile devices, but too expensive for desktop computer monitors."

Incorrect. OLED has been a worthwhile technology for mobile devices and has been used on them for awhile now. As I said the Larger plants which are for the screens greater than 15" are being built.

What this means:

OLED in Notebook PCs will be commonplace and will start to appear on many models. Most notebook PC''s are in the smaller size ranges where the early generation OLED Panels will lie.

TV's will start to come in OLED at greater sizes than we see today and keep getting larger as more fabs are placed online.

Desktop Monitors will start to transistion to OLED at the smaller sizes then transistion on up. Nothing here is new or really brainstorming information since the people who analyze the marketplaces are all saying the same things and I am just reiterating it here.

I know I don't work for OLED makers but the VC capital procedures and the way they fund these items and get them off the ground is public information. The NDAs at the intellectual property level and other aspects are usually kept secret but the plans and the transistion paths are usually released to the public and LG is no exception.

By 2010, we aren't seeing emergence of existing OLEDs on mobile which has been done and will continue to get done with larger screens as appropriate, we are seeing it at the larger sizes for Monitor and TV applications.

1st Half of 2010 is when LG's factory will open if all goes as planned give or take. 2010/2011 will be as I predict a huge evolutionary year in terms of new display and imaging technologies to arrive to the marketplace.

 

[Whoisthisreally]

The Kodak/LG merger will pay off. As soon as these plants are built and monitors of good sizes start pumping I will see if this will be the camel which finally causes me to dump this CRT.

Still on this Monitor which has started working fine again. I have to let it sit on for awhile and those lines disappear.

Why don't you get a 2209WA in the meantime? instead of suffering a dying CRT indefinitely waiting for a distant technology, you could pick one up for an absolute steal. You'd probably end up keeping it around as a complement to your mythical OLED display when you finally receive it.

Love innovation and meritocracy and amazing stuff of our time and people doing right for each other. Dislike corporate greed and companies which do things that have a negative aspect on peoples lives. OLED is great for the environment too and energy costs and needs. A win win all around.

that is until you hear of the 2012 OLED price fixing scandal.

Desktop Monitors will start to transistion to OLED at the smaller sizes then transistion on up. Nothing here is new or really brainstorming information since the people who analyze the marketplaces are all saying the same things and I am just reiterating it here.

I don't quite believe this. May I ask you for a citation on the applicability of OLED to desktop monitor technology?

 

[Matija]

Somewhat offtopic - it's late and I cannot be bothered to google around...

Is OLED going to be capable of quadrupling the existing resolutions compared to an equally-sized LCD monitor? Meaning, will we see 3360x2100 22" and 3840x2400 24" displays?

 

[Kaldskryke]

Somewhat offtopic - it's late and I cannot be bothered to google around...

Is OLED going to be capable of quadrupling the existing resolutions compared to an equally-sized LCD monitor? Meaning, will we see 3360x2100 22" and 3840x2400 24" displays?

That depends...

If RGB subpixels are created separately using CVD, this usually requires the use of a shadow mask, which limits maximum resolution. It's possible to instead create an OLED panel that's simply plain white and use RGBW filters instead. Obviously, colors wouldn't be as good this way. I suppose if transparent OLED panels get better you could eventually create a TV that's a sandwich of OLED panels, one for each color and let the subpixels "stack"... then the effective resolution would only be limited by circuitry.

I'm just regurgitating something I read somewhere... could be wrong.

EDIT: Found a link for you. It seems with the current shadow-mask approach they can at least get 2560 x 2048 at 20", which is better than most 30" LCDs.

 

[natty]

Somewhat offtopic - it's late and I cannot be bothered to google around...

Is OLED going to be capable of quadrupling the existing resolutions compared to an equally-sized LCD monitor? Meaning, will we see 3360x2100 22" and 3840x2400 24" displays?

That would be awesome. Eliminates the need for anti-aliasing. Everything would look amazing as long as the OS can scale programs properly

 

[Kaldskryke]

Back on topic...

I want OLEDs to come out as much as anyone, but I really doubt we'll see anything decent for monitors until 2011 at the earliest. LG's 15" TV was shown at this year's CES and it only just recently came out. Even if someone actually shows an OLED panel in a monitor form-factor at CES it will still likely be a long time before we see any on shelves, let alone appropriately priced. And just because there will be more manufacturing capacity coming soon doesn't mean prices will be lower - these units will be as expensive as possible until competition starts to drive the price down, and that will take a while considering how sparse the playing field is going to be. Also, consider art professionals: businesses are already willing to pay a rather large premium for almost-bearable LCDs and refurbished CRTs just to get some semblance of color accuracy. There will be demand for OLEDs even at exorbitant prices, at least for a while.

 

[adamj023]

I don't want an IPS. Why would I support Research and Development of an old technology I do not want.

OLED is not distinct. An OLED TV if you didn't already realize can be used as a Monitor as well due to the HDMI or DVI ports or DisplayPort and the like. A 1920x1080 Monitor vs TV is the same while the TV has the addition of the TV Tuner and other ports and speakers and remote control and the like.

2010 is up to 20.1" size. 2011 is larger sizes. So it is most likely I will get my monitor in 2011 from the looks of it since I want a nice size one. 2012 at the latest.

OLED is NOT Vaporware, it is and will be an excellent technology which will represent the future of visual displays in the world.

After OLED I have no clue what will be better, I think OLED will probably provide a breathtaking experience all in itself. Consider Holodecks on StarTrek and other technologies that are advanced, I can only presume somehow humans will find something superior to OLED eventually in due time.

 

[Kaldskryke]

That would be awesome. Eliminates the need for anti-aliasing. Everything would look amazing as long as the OS can scale programs properly

Eliminate the need for AA? I'm not so sure. You can simulate the effect of quadrupling your pixel density just by standing twice as far away from your monitor as you regularly sit. I know I can still easily see aliasing artifacts from this distance, though I concede my monitor has terrible pixel pitch (1920x1200 at 27")

 

[Danevin]

"As soon as these plants are built and monitors of good sizes start pumping I will see if this will be the camel which finally causes me to dump this CRT."

You really do have no idea how long this will take, do you? I very VERY seriously doubt we will see any consumer products that are OLED 20-30" monitors in 2010. IF there are, they will be RIDICULOUS in price and won't be affordable.

OLED is still 3-4 years away from being mainstream in larger displays, even then, it will probably still be limited to enthusiasts.

 

[Kaldskryke]

I don't want an IPS. Why would I support Research and Development of an old technology I do not want?

OLED is not distinct. An OLED TV if you didn't already realize can be used as a Monitor as well due to the HDMI or DVI ports or DisplayPort and the like. A 1920x1080 Monitor vs TV is the same while the TV has the addition of the TV Tuner and other ports and speakers and remote control and the like.

2010 is up to 20.1" size. 2011 is larger sizes. So it is most likely I will get my monitor in 2011 from the looks of it since I want a nice size one.

Don't forget that TVs are notorious for adding a ton of image processing which adds to input lag.

 

[natty]

Eliminate the need for AA? I'm not so sure. You can simulate the effect of quadrupling your pixel density just by standing twice as far away from your monitor as you regularly sit. I know I can still easily see aliasing artifacts from this distance, though I concede my monitor has terrible pixel pitch (1920x1200 at 27")

I have a 15" laptop screen that does 1920x1200 and at this setting you don't see any aliasing artifacts. And it looks much better than AA does.

 

[Squalish]

OLED will likely have prices in 2012 and 2013 that can break into the professional-grade monitor niche - after it's completely replaced LCD in mobile devices.

But by that time, I think color E-Paper will occur in products which print designers, at least, will covet more than any lit screen. A purely-reflective, color-calibrated Wacom sketchpad could be revolutionary there. It's possible that "color-criitcal work" will shift over to that medium.

 

[Spare-Flair]

I've been waiting for OLED since 2004.

All the panel plants are tooled and invested in LCD, OLED is not going to make much inroads.

Probably will have to wait past 2014.

 

[adamj023]

Wrong.

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20091030/177155/

LG Time Frames are already known. As I said 2010 is the year of the OLED coming to fruitition.

All the R+D today is going into OLED. OLED is opening up new plants which have to come online and LCD/LED plants have to be converted to OLED in the future. There is a lot of work to be done and going on as we speak.

OLED is the future, LCD LED is the past. 2010 is the start of the process while it will accelerate continually well into the next decade.

2011 or 2012 at latest we should see some nice OLED monitors coming out in nice size ranges. As far as pricing, I would expect a 50% price premium over LED LCD.

So a 23" OLED should be $450, while a 23" LED LCD would be $300 give or take. OLED if it all works out should be superior and cheaper than IPS and PVA and should phase those out as we head to the future in my opinion, though I can't say for certain, it is just an opinion here on those.

Right now the Samsung XL2370 is LED and is blowing sales out of the water for its excellent performance priced at $300. OLED will be even better performing and will command a 50% price premium when it comes out.

It won't be so expensive in its initial phases since it should be well under $1000. Everyone will want OLED for the $450 price, not an IPS or PVA panel anymore.

eIPS vs cPVA was where it was at for this year for low cost monitors for 2010 for the premium grade cheaper stuff.

OLED is superior all around. Image lag won't be additional on a TV since the monitor will be bypassing all the TV Circuitry with the right connector attached.

I myself am leaning towards a 23" OLED Monitor/TV from LG at the higher model levels since even for OLED there may still be multiple levels of monitors, resolutions and the like with various differences.

Know what I want and will get it when its here. I wish I was smart enough to be inventing the patents however but the engineering teams are outstanding right now and all the knowledge is brewing collectively with all the patents on an ongoing basis, so many I can't even keep up with anymore, thinking about Albert Einstein and his days with the US Patent office. <grin>

 

[Danevin]

First of all, lol.

Second of all, I love how you pull the prices out of your ass. The NEWEST LG AMOLED TV is 15" at 1366x768 for around 3 million won ($2500 or so).

I do not see any good OLED monitors or tvs coming out at a decent price any time soon. By that time, my EA231WMi will have EASILY earned it's $300 price tag.

Also: OLEDs have a bad problem atm of dying very quickly. The Sony XEL-1 loses half of it's brightness by 17,000hrs... which is TERRIBLE.

 

[adamj023]

The Sony OLED TV was based on old OLED technology. Since then the technology has improved and the lifetime has been improved especially with the Kodak Technology that LG has acquired.

As far as prices, I am not pulling them from my ass. The 50% price premium over LED LCD is well known in the industry for the mass production runs, and then later on the cost of OLED due to less materials needed and the like will be much lower.

With the lack of intellectual discourse here that a quick read would provide, these forums are useless for any real discussion except to showcase existing products and features for those who do not have the items on hand for themselves to test and the truth is I wouldn't trust secondhand sources such as this to provide accurate information.

Prices are high right now because the OLED Factory's are being opened for 2010. The Sony and LG initial run TVs for 2009 are pricey. For 2nd half 2010 and 2011 and beyond the prices will be much lower. When mass production occurs, the consensus in the industry is 50% above cost of LED LCD then reducing in cost to below down the road.

The industry does amazing work from intellectual patent design to even analyzing what goes on inherent within. Nothing I say is anything out of the realm of basic repetitive knowledge based on the consensus of industry sources.

The sources have said 50% over LCD but the LED LCD are pricier so I admit to using that threshhold which is higher and pricier. It could actually be lower than the cost of the LED LCD's.

Your cognitive dissonance leaves much to be desired. A quick search from industry sources will confirm what I said. This isn't a PHD dissertation and I am not going to footnote everything as I don't have the time for such. Thank you very much.

 

[JamesB_999]

I have no doubt that OLED is coming, but I doubt that large OLED monitors/TVs will be affordable and widely available any time soon. From the article below, it seems that companies are still waiting to make the substantial investment in next-gen fabs to produce large OLED panels on a commercial scale (which isn't surprising):
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/03/the-32-oled-tv-a-possible-new-downturn-victim.ars

This quote sums it up:
"So after my recent interview with the Managing Director of the OLED Association about what's standing between me and my 30" OLED monitor, I hid in the restroom and wept."

Hey, the article could be wrong - I certainly hope it is, but the analysis seems grounded in reality to me.

 

[Danevin]

The ONLY thing that talks about goals, road maps, and projected prices are just guesses.

Since you won't post anything, I will:
"With those measures, LG Display aims to achieve a 50% higher material cost and a 30% lower yield than those of LCD panels in 2012" - This doesn't mean the end cost to the user is 50% more, it means it is 50% more for them to make and that they will have a 30% LOWER yeild than LCD, which means it will cost even OVER than 50% more to the consumer in 2012.

"OLED panels will cost less than LCD in 2016!" - Great, if you want to wait till then.

Source: http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20091030/177155/

There are also difficulties with manufacturing new tech, just because they are building those factories for 2010 does not mean they will have any decent yield or even be churning out much in 2010.

"But creating large OLED displays has been a difficult and expensive challenge. Research firm DisplaySearch says that four of every 10 panels that Sony makes for its 11-inch OLED fail to make the grade and can't be sold, noted the Journal."

Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10311839-1.html

Just like everything else, the prices will be outrageous and only enthusiasts will get them. Then they will slowly drop in price over the years as demand rises, manufacturing processes become better, materials become cheaper, and yields become higher.

 

[adamj023]

I feel like you are trying to put your own spin on things without even coming close to finding the right sources I was referring to or even knowing any of your facts and the context of such.

So no, I will not dispute them line by line or even get upset for realizing such. The information is public and there isn't any reason discussing this since anyone seriously familiar and knowing of the industry would be saying exactly what I am saying.

I realize I am talking to strangers on here, and the real experts are the ones operating in the industry who are notable sources of information for such.

I will say however the plant requirements for OLED is much smaller than existing LCD Facilities and companies like LG have the funding in place for such and I already so stated, the factories are under construction. And to boot LG isn't the only player in the game. OLED due to lower costs of the facilities will allow more competition in the respective field which will also further bring down prices.

Sorry not in the mood to discuss OLED further on here cause I realize I know more than anyone on here and always will except for those firms which are actually physically building the plants and working on the engineering side of the coin as we speak. I didn't invent the Sony Trinitron tube or the OLED panel/tv/monitor and don't have access to NDA's and the like.

 

[mclebron23]

adamj023...i just read all your posts and u sound like a fucking idiot. Stop arguing with everyone on forums acting like u know everything when really u dont know shit. i can just picture u looking like a nerdy ass 20 year old in your mommys basement jerking off to pictures of OLEDs on the internet. have a nice day! =)

 

[Mikerocks2112]

adamj023...i just read all your posts and u sound like a fucking idiot. Stop arguing with everyone on forums acting like u know everything when really u dont know shit. i can just picture u looking like a nerdy ass 20 year old in your mommys basement jerking off to pictures of OLEDs on the internet. have a nice day! =)

Such a constructive and intelligent comment.

 

[brumwald]

Somewhat offtopic - it's late and I cannot be bothered to google around...

Is OLED going to be capable of quadrupling the existing resolutions compared to an equally-sized LCD monitor? Meaning, will we see 3360x2100 22" and 3840x2400 24" displays?

Thats possible on LCDs as well... (IBM T220/T221 3840x2400, 22" - this was in 2001!)
I doubt that it will be just as cheap to make a high-resolution OLED as a low-resolution OLED, and thus since price is all that matters that will not happen.

 

[Walker]

So are there any reviews out there yet of this new supposedly much improved OLED panel made by LG? Mostly interested in has there really been a dramatic improvement in OLED lifetime because if it's not much better than that 11" Sony OLED was, not only it will take a long time but we may never even see OLED being used in computer monitors.

I'm as excited by OLED advantages as anyone else, but I'm going to get an IPS monitor and upgrade to a bigger plasma TV next year. Even if the manufacturers do solve the lifetime issues with OLED, personally I don't think there will be any affordable OLED screens in the next three of four years. No way I'm going to wait that long to have a "perfect" display which may not even be that perfect.

 

[okashira]

Somewhat offtopic - it's late and I cannot be bothered to google around...

Is OLED going to be capable of quadrupling the existing resolutions compared to an equally-sized LCD monitor? Meaning, will we see 3360x2100 22" and 3840x2400 24" displays?

Huh. LCD's can already achieve that. So the answer is it's not likely that you will see OLED's with resolutions like that. The reason is lack of demand.

The benefits of such a display are obsure to the average consumer, and in order to best take advantage of these benefits, the OS GUI needs to completely vector based. (PDF's look amazing on an IBM T221)

It will take take a company like Microsoft to push such displays, from a technical standpoint (software) and a marketing standpoint.

So, if you want to see them, my suggestion would to become a manager at a company at Microsoft and push for it.

 

[adamj023]

Ok so I decided to post one last time.

I wonder here who has ever actually been to an OLED Fab or even worked for a firm like LG or others or has even worked in the industry at a minimum.

http://www.oled-info.com/files/images/lg-ltps-oled-fab-construction.jpg

An example of an OLED factory under construction owned by LG with a photo dated 08/12/2009. This is the Fab that will be used for the LPTS OLED. I believe a 30" LPTS OLED TV will come from this fab though I am not certain.

AU Optronics has a 14" OLED monitor ready for mass production for 2010:

http://www.oled-info.com/auo-14-oled-panel-prototype-photo

Also patents are in the works to convert existing LCD plants to OLED at very low cost. There is so much brewing right now and 2010 will be a banner year for the start of making OLED mass produced.

My OLED will arrive, and I admire all the firms making it happen.

 

[Kaldskryke]

...my suggestion would to become a manager at a company at Microsoft and push for it.

I'll get right on that!

I wonder here who has ever actually been to an OLED Fab or even worked for a firm like LG or others or has even worked in the industry at a minimum.

Sorry, no I haven't. Have you? I really doubt it.

2010 will be a banner year for the start of making OLED mass produced

OLEDs have been in mass production for years now, just at a smaller size. Just because the factories for producing larger panels will open sometime in 2010 does not mean we'll see any product from them next year.

For example, you already know that LG's 15" TV was just released, even though they've been saying "it will be released in 2009" since back in 2008 when they first showed a prototype at FPD. You can't even buy it in North America yet. If we use this same time-to-market, the 20" panel they'll probably show at CES will be "coming in 2010" but likely not get launched until the end of the year. If it comes out with a reasonable (<$2000) price tag, maybe we'll see some interesting action in 2011.

However as for next year, I don't think a $2500 15" set is going to herald a "banner year".

As far as prices, I am not pulling them from my ass. The 50% price premium over LED LCD is well known in the industry for the mass production runs, and then later on the cost of OLED due to less materials needed and the like will be much lower.

50% higher production cost than LCDs definitely doesn't mean 50% higher price tags. Remember your basic supply & demand law. If consumers are willing to pay extra for a highly premium product there's no reason for LG to sell OLEDs cheaper just because their costs aren't so bad. That's how corporations profit.

EDIT: I really want an OLED monitor. I've been reading displaysearch, oled-info, oled-display, and avsforum's OLED thread for years. I'm not arguing with you because I think OLEDs suck or anything. I just think you're highly underestimating time-to-market and pricing.

 

[laguerre]

I believe there are blues that now exceed 50,000hrs (over 5 1/2yrs x 24hrs).

Although there may be challenges associated with OLED, I would liken them more to a mass consumer appeal than to the feasibility to produce. Uneven degradation of colors would be one challenge, but that has even seen promise of being fixed. I think the technology is good enough, it's just implementation at this point, as adamj023 referred to.

I think adamj023 is right to be excited. I don't think we'll see LG producing products that are not accessible to the consumer in the display sector. LG consumer electronics are very prominent outside of the US.

Without consumer interest being peaked, the introduction of OLED will be slow. It seems Forums are notorious for shunning what they can't have in their hands, which is counterproductive to their interest. Companies keep NDAs just as much for their own products as they do for competing products. LG is whipping up excitement in the LCD field right now, they surely won't choke that off with the introduction of OLED. As long as the LCD market continues to be strong, OLED progression will be tailored to the industrial process of increasing efficiency and lowering cost; which will introduce larger production sizes that can then be used for monitors, but the jump to 30" OLEDs will be a secondary priority.

Although, commercial demand may very well drive the innovations for OLED.

And lastly, to follow rumors, how about a display your looking for, a Sony KDL-ZX 27-inch OLED-TV from CES 2008 that may return at Sony CES 2010.

 

[JamesB_999]

Without consumer interest being peaked, the introduction of OLED will be slow. It seems Forums are notorious for shunning what they can't have in their hands, which is counterproductive to their interest.

I don't think that there is hostility to positive news about OLEDs, at least not in this forum/thread. If anything, there is frustration among enthusiasts that the promising OLED technology is taking so long to come to market for use in monitors and TVs. If I could buy a good 24-30" OLED monitor or 46"+ OLED TV for a reasonable price in 2010 or 2011 I'd be grinning from ear to ear, as would many other people who visit this forum. However, many [H] forum members, including myself, do not think that is a reasonable expectation given the current information available.

I don't need to tour an OLED panel manufacturing facility to know when affordable OLED based monitors and TVs will be available, I'll know it when I start to see real OLED products showing up in stores with increasing variety for reasonable enthusiast prices. Alas, that has yet to occur.

 

[adamj023]

That is why I think the discussion level on these forums is minimal since you are all consumers rather than engineers or experts on the products and technologies themselves.

OLED at first will be 50% more to manufacture than LCD (As I said before lets use the LED LCD threshhold). Deep discount prices on these models should be able to get for decent pricing.

2010 when the factory opens will get larger sizes than 15".

"LG Display are working on their new AMOLED (LTPS) fab. As we reported earlier, LG Display invested 79M$ on this new 3.5g plant (730x460mm glass substrates). It is scheduled to begin mass production in 1H 2010, and will reach a monthly capacity of 8,000 input sheets by the end of 2010. "

Apparently that photo was of the 3.5g plant with 730x460mm substrate with 8,000 sheets a month by end of 2010.

By 2011 is when I say I will get my OLED monitor in all likelyhood.

As per LG:

20" in 2010, 30" in 2011 and 40" or larger panels in 2012.

I want around a 23" but if OLED only comes in 20" I will take the 20" if I have to. Not sure what sizes around 20" other than 20" the OLED will come in.

2011 should be the time when I get one. 2012 at latest. TV vs Monitor doesn't matter for me since I want a TV/Monitor combo anyways preferably. But the resolution I would ideally like to get 1920x1080.

If I know LG, there should be multiple models with resolutions that differ, and the highest end monitor TV should fit the bill for me.

It is all wait and see right now. But with the new factories online, the days of the 11" OLED for $2,000 are long gone. Expect higher production volumes and larger sizes to boot.

I am not touching any IPS, PVA or other technologies. OLED is what I want and what I am waiting for and I will definitely get it before 2016 when the prices should be on par with those of LECD so it does look like I will wind up paying a price premium because I can't wait that long.

It is likely I could be getting an LG OLED Monitor/TV. Not sure what brands will appear and how they compare just yet. But its coming for 2010-2011-2012 with the most likely target 2011 based on available data.

 

[chklin]

50% higher production cost than LCDs definitely doesn't mean 50% higher price tags. Remember your basic supply & demand law. If consumers are willing to pay extra for a highly premium product there's no reason for LG to sell OLEDs cheaper just because their costs aren't so bad. That's how corporations profit.

I have tried all those reasoning last month. Higher cost than LCD panels? Check. Significantly lower supply than LCD panels? Check. Significantly higher demand than LCD panels (because OLED is so much better)? Check.

Yet none of that is enough to convince adamj023 that OLED monitors will remain a luxurious item (read: expensive) in the next 2-3 years. Go figure.

 

[JamesB_999]

I have tried all those reasoning last month. Higher cost than LCD panels? Check. Significantly lower supply than LCD panels? Check. Significantly higher demand than LCD panels (because OLED is so much better)? Check.

Yet none of that is enough to convince adamj023 that OLED monitors will remain a luxurious item (read: expensive) in the next 2-3 years. Go figure.

chklin,
It's obviously because you are a consumer rather than an engineer or expert on the products and technologies themselves. Apparently, they are able to predict the future with perfect clarity and always come to the same conclusions, which coincidentally mirror adamj023's own predictions.

 

[Matija]

Huh. LCD's can already achieve that. So the answer is it's not likely that you will see OLED's with resolutions like that. The reason is lack of demand.

The benefits of such a display are obsure to the average consumer, and in order to best take advantage of these benefits, the OS GUI needs to completely vector based. (PDF's look amazing on an IBM T221)

There was only one line of monitors that was capable of extremely high resolutions, and they kind of sucked at it, plus required non-standard hardware.

If you quadruple the resolution, you can easily make the OS lie to all the applications and simply divide the x and y coordinates by 2, and the OS could internally render fonts in the native resolution. Absolutely no existing software would be affected. Special apps (think Photoshop) could use an API to have the OS draw pixels in native resolution, making for a great image-editing experience.

We'll get there one way (day?) or another. The only question is when and how.

 

[Jonte]

adamj023...i just read all your posts and u sound like a fucking idiot. Stop arguing with everyone on forums acting like u know everything when really u dont know shit. i can just picture u looking like a nerdy ass 20 year old in your mommys basement jerking off to pictures of OLEDs on the internet. have a nice day! =)

That made me laugh. A lot.
I really hope AdamJ is not like this in real life. If that's the case, well, he'd better work on his manners if he want's to accepted by people and make some normal friends.
Seriously, if you're reading this Adam, do yourself a favor and get one of the cheaper IPS monitors. Now. Your predictions are most likely not going to make it. You'll be spending many years from now on a crt that's getting worse and worse. You don't have to write anything here about what you bought if you care about your internet reputation as a stubborn moron. Just by yourself a decent monitor.

I don't think that there is hostility to positive news about OLEDs, at least not in this forum/thread. If anything, there is frustration among enthusiasts that the promising OLED technology is taking so long to come to market for use in monitors and TVs.
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True, true.
I'm pretty sure 2009 was the year some experts predicted OLED would be commercially viable (is that the expression?) in an article in a swedish computer magazine back in 2004... Well that didn't happen. And Sony's FED was put on ice a year ago.
I'd like completely perfect viewing angles, sure, but my IPS'es are good enough (going to buy a second S-IPS before that panel is taken out of production...). I can "hold out" for quite a few years more and expect I'll have to even if I win the lottery.

 

[adamj023]

Calling someone a moron? Wow self esteem issues by putting someone down.

I never put anyone down, I was saying the intellectual levels here and the discussion was minimalistic and I only blame myself for posting here to release my thoughts.

You don't even know me and I hope I never do. There are loads of clueless people in this world you get stuck with at times when you can't help it considering advanced level of education who hinder your life and others. But in this case, you are just another one of those routinue mean arrogant humans with nothing better to do than to attack and put someone down.

I pity these forums since they have no intellectual discourse and just pin people against each other.

Would rather meet the experts and technologies in person and the truth of the matter is the experts in the field are very open and talkative about all but the most sensitive matters which are subject to Non Disclosure agreements and so on and so forth.

That attitude won't get you far in life. Forums about subject matters like this aren't places for experts to talk and one shouldn't even be involved in any discussions on here in the first place.

Cest la Vie.

Arrivederci

I guess I can't permanently delete my account on here as I just tried. I am gone from here for good.

 

[MetaGenie]

If you quadruple the resolution, you can easily make the OS lie to all the applications and simply divide the x and y coordinates by 2, and the OS could internally render fonts in the native resolution. Absolutely no existing software would be affected. Special apps (think Photoshop) could use an API to have the OS draw pixels in native resolution, making for a great image-editing experience.

This sounds like a great idea, except that the user should also have the choice of telling the OS not to trick a list of user-selected apps, such as the user's favorite photo viewing program, and any programs that are quite capable of using larger fonts but haven't been updated to use the special API.

 

[Daemas]

Calling someone a moron? Wow self esteem issues by putting someone down.

I never put anyone down, I was saying the intellectual levels here and the discussion was minimalistic and I only blame myself for posting here to release my thoughts.

You don't even know me and I hope I never do. There are loads of clueless people in this world you get stuck with at times when you can't help it considering advanced level of education who hinder your life and others. But in this case, you are just another one of those routinue mean arrogant humans with nothing better to do than to attack and put someone down.

I pity these forums since they have no intellectual discourse and just pin people against each other.

Would rather meet the experts and technologies in person and the truth of the matter is the experts in the field are very open and talkative about all but the most sensitive matters which are subject to Non Disclosure agreements and so on and so forth.

That attitude won't get you far in life. Forums about subject matters like this aren't places for experts to talk and one shouldn't even be involved in any discussions on here in the first place.

Cest la Vie.

Arrivederci

I guess I can't permanently delete my account on here as I just tried. I am gone from here for good.

Sweet, he took his ball and went home.