OLED is coming!

Zellio2010 said:
I don't think OLED is the future at all.

Consider the past of lcd. We've gone from really awful displays with extreme blur, horrible refresh rates, and horrible contrast (If they even had color), and you had to be right in front of the lcd to see it in the late 80's/early 90's. Today, you have lcds with easyto see displays in all angles, good refresh rates, high contrast, and are actually competiting against plasma and oled. Considering how little it cost to make an lcd display, I'd bet you'd see an lcd of the exact or comparable quality for less then the same sized oled before oleds are affordable.
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You mean...right now? Because that last line is today, except "comparable" is extremely vague. The highest end local dimming sets certainly are comparable, but also at the same time rediculously inferior in every measure (it's a conundrum, explainable by referencing the limits of the average consumer's perception). Here's a good article on actual LCD response times: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2356393,00.asp

Response times haven't improved since the advent of S-IPS. One reason being that liquid crystal viscosity has not changed. You still have the same physical limitation. The only thing that has been improved is the abolishment of sample&hold time with strobing backgrounds, and overdrive voltages to help speed up liquid crystal state changes (albeit only mildly successfully).

OLED is clearly the way forward, as anyone who has used, or seen, an OLED display will tell you. LCD is like the Tower of Babel at this point. It is trying to reach for a performance level its foundation cannot sustain, and this is why you see huge processing requirements to get good quality (dynamic blacklights, strobing backlights, local dimming, overdrive, frame insertion including interpolation and black frame insertion, specially designed 120hz sets, 240hz sets, displays specially designed for gaming with TN matrix, displays designed for color work with VA matrixes, etc) at massive latency costs (up to ~100ms for the highest quality processing). Have you seen what most of these displays look like in Game mode (or any 33ms or lower latency mode?). They look like the displays from 2002. Because outside of extra processing, the are. The LCD industry is selling people this great white lie. Its the pink elephant in the room. Everyone knows the basic tech isn't improving, but no one really talks about it.

As for why other technology didn't work out. Well who knows. The performance & image quality of SED and OLED is very similar. In fact the technology is thematically similar. Both use quickly reacting luminescent physically independent pixels, except the infrastructure needed for one pixel on a SED display is far greater. They are both like expanded versions of plasma displays, except OLED tech seems to have fewer issues [than SED], and you get the additional sex appeal of thinness, which for some reason every sheeple in the world seems to believe is the holy grail of TV's.
 
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nomu said:
Who has ever said OLED would fail? Think about this: It's 1998 right now. Would YOU buy a LCD or plamsa? We know for sure OLED is the default option for the next era in displays, the ones we don't know about are SED/FED and laser projection.
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Would I buy LCD now? If the quality was good, yes. I was excited about LCD when it first debuted outside of ~96 laptop screens. However, when I shopped around for one, I was appalled by the response time. I could see my mouse swimming across the screen. And playing something like Doom 3 felt like I was at a night carnival, everything was so bright even in the darkest corners.

Plasma was very impressive to me then, but I unfortunately see the rainbow effect, and to such a degree that even on still scenes I notice it just from random eye movement. Otherwise the tech is great.

And PLENTY of people are arguing that OLED will fail. Heck the guy I quoted in my last post said it would fail. A lot of people are predicting that LCD tech is about to hit a panacea where no other tech will be necessary. I'm just saying they've been trying to resolve moving text on their LCD's so long that their retinas are detaching (myopic).

I don't care if OLED wins or not. It will have big problems with lifespan at least for a while, where color balance changes significantly over the life of the display. But compared to the problems with LCD's I don't see that as a big deal. Early adopters, and 2nd gen adopters don't really mind trade-offs like high price tag if there's a tangible, "point to the screen" quality difference, and would probably be willing to sacrifice some color migration 4-5 years out for a stunning display with lux appeal today.
 
Too bad CRT didn't work out. It had an awesome picture...
 
Snowdog said:
Apparently not. OLED was no more present this year at CES than last. No production announcements, no more demos than before (maybe less).
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Are we following the same CES? I seem to recall a CES with fewer true prototypes and more potential products. If anything things are condensing from hype into reality.
 
Elledan said:
Are we following the same CES? I seem to recall a CES with fewer true prototypes and more potential products. If anything things are condensing from hype into reality.
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You must be counting gadgets like cell phones. I am only interested in TV/Monitors.

Where were the OLED TV demos? Previous there were 27-30" sets. This time 24" was the largest?

New OLED TV announcements this year: ZERO. LG announced the 15" last year...

Pretty much nothing on the OLED TV front.
 
Snowdog said:
You must be counting gadgets like cell phones. I am only interested in TV/Monitors.

Where were the OLED TV demos? Previous there were 27-30" sets. This time 24" was the largest?

New OLED TV announcements this year: ZERO. LG announced the 15" last year...

Pretty much nothing on the OLED TV front.
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Or you could see it as the technology maturing and manufacturers focusing on what is practical/economical right now. 30" OLED TVs would be nice, but if 25" is the maximum affordable (for the consumer) version, then that is the version which will be produced.

Before we had what could be, this time we have what could be/are real products soon. That's how I'm seeing it at least.
 
Sony, no new OLED in 2010. LOL, yeah OLED is coming. Why the hell would they release OLED they can still make tons of money with the LCD line? Every companies are going to milk the LED and LCD before they're going to release OLED.
 
Given recent price drops, profit margins are a lot less. Now they need to rely on volume. When that starts to dry up, they'll be tripping over themselves to roll out OLED.
 
fss69 said:
Given recent price drops, profit margins are a lot less. Now they need to rely on volume. When that starts to dry up, they'll be tripping over themselves to roll out OLED.
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If the price drops are from the illegal price-gouging, though profit margins are lower, somehow I'm betting the profit was going into the pocket, not reinvested. But of course, the same companies that are making LCDs are the only ones working on OLEDs, so the motivation to abandon their current technology is hardly from a competition standpoint. While companies have managed to sue for anticompetitive practices, it's kinda tough to sue a company for not pushing OLED into the mainstream. Now maybe if the govt. got involved due to energy savings and green materials we might see some motivation.

metalsmart said:
14 December 09 Taiwanese manufacturer Chi Mei
01 December 09 10 different companies, including big names like Epson, Hitachi, LG, Samsung, Sharp, and Toshiba
21 October 09 LG, Samsung, Chunghua, AU Optronics
12 November 08 LG Display of South Korea, Sharp of Japan and Chunghwa Picture Tubes of Taiwan
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