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Official PS5 Thread

Will be a really niche console I imagine, $700 price point, if there is an upcoming PS6 november 2027 rumours starting....

Does 45% faster rendering for 67% more CU unit and 27% faster ram tell us something about RDNA core in it ?

Could they be almost the same as before and not some RDNA 4 new one ?
 
LukeTbk said:
Will be a really niche console I imagine, $700 price point, if there is an upcoming PS6 november 2027 rumours starting....

Does 45% faster rendering for 67% more CU unit and 27% faster ram tell us something about RDNA core in it ?

Could they be almost the same as before and not some RDNA 4 new one ?
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As per official Sony info the arch is primarily RDNA 3 (with a few unreleased RT from RDNA 4)
 
LukeTbk said:
Will be a really niche console I imagine, $700 price point, if there is an upcoming PS6 november 2027 rumours starting....

Does 45% faster rendering for 67% more CU unit and 27% faster ram tell us something about RDNA core in it ?

Could they be almost the same as before and not some RDNA 4 new one ?
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Marees said:
As per official Sony info the arch is primarily RDNA 3 (with a few unreleased RT from RDNA 4)
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They specifically call it "RDNA 2" in the presentation, though.
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What process node is this ?

I find it difficult to believe than 6nm can be so costly 🤔
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It's probably still TSMC N6 like the current standard PS5. N6 wafers cost half as much as N4P wafers, but are still estimated to be in the $10,000-12,000 range. Prices have not gone down in recent years compared to when the PS4 Pro was made on 16nm and the standard PS4 was on 28nm.
 
Armenius said:
They specifically call it "RDNA 2" in the presentation, though.
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My guess is RDNA 3 (Based on previous leaks)

We will have to fill in some blanks and make educated guesses here. Considering RDNA 3 and RDNA 2 aren't radically different — the addition of WMMA instructions and the move to a GPU chiplet architecture are the primary changes — we suspect Sony and AMD are using some variant of RDNA 3, possibly the efficiency-optimized version called RDNA 3.5 that's going into the Strix Point Ryzen AI laptop processors.

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-...november-5-with-larger-gpu-and-pssr-upscaling
 
I anticipated a $600 price given they have only been raising prices of the PS5 in certain regions, so the profit margin hasn't went up much at all since launch due to post -pandemic inflation for the most part. I also anticipated they would bundle the disc drive with it though at that price.

So $700 without the disc drive is a bit insane to me, and no cheap stand to add insult to injury. Now I anticipate there being a shortage of the disc drives so you can't even buy them if you want. Just like they've seemingly done with the replacement joysticks for the DS Edge controller, that are reportedly always out of stock.

So not sure I'm biting for a while unless I can get a bundle deal with the disc drive at least for $700. 95% of my library is digital, but I still need the disc drive occasionally for when I borrow games from my local library or friends.
 
Sickb0y said:
I'm I readying this correct almost 900.00 after taxes if you add the drive? Might as well build another pc at this point or upgrade my GPU :hungover:
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The drive is USD $80, which would be $830.68 after the 6.5% sales tax in my state.
 
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They specifically call it "RDNA 2" in the presentation, though.
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RDNA 2 appear at the beginning of the video when talking about the PS5, but when talking they just say much larger without saying new in any way, combined with the performance gain in line with the CU count gain, faster clock and faster ram without needing much per core improvement, making me wonder if it just a bigger rdna 2, with some RT and an high tops (XDNA or otherwise, they call it custom) for upscaling.

It is a bit strange to put the RDNA2 text on screen, without RDNA 3 for the new one (that said it is a bit strange to specify RDNA 2 when talking about the PS5 if it did not change on the pro version either, just a strange decision all around it seem to me)

That could make 100% seemless for dev and you can easily turn missed PS5 pro chips into PS5 chips for superb yield ?

Marees said:
As per official Sony info the arch is primarily RDNA 3
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Do we have a source, a bit every where people use word like almost certainly rdna3--unconfirmed today.
 
T4rd said:
So not sure I'm biting for a while unless I can get a bundle deal with the disc drive at least for $700. 95% of my library is digital, but I still need the disc drive occasionally for when I borrow games from my local library or friends.
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I'm not going to be buying this at all. There was a noticeable improvement in games going from the PS4 to the PS4 Pro. I wasn't able to see what the benefit at all was during the presentation. Double the compute units and a 45% increase in performance sounds good on paper, but what does that actually look like for real games?
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Do we have a source, a bit every where people use word like almost certainly rdna3--unconfirmed today.
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I haven't seen any source that mentions RDNA 3 except for the previous rumors. In my opinion I think the added compute units have just been segmented to perform specific tasks rather than actually containing architectural changes. If they're still using N6 then the size of the SoC is literally going to be a lot bigger.
 
LukeTbk said:
Do we have a source, a bit every where people use word like almost certainly rdna3--unconfirmed today.
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I was going by screenshot in forum post below. I presumed it was from Sony (but looks like its not)

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/rdna4-cdna3-architectures-thread.2602668/post-41295435

My logical inference is RDNA 3
The reason is Sony confirmed RT from RDNA 4

From leaks, RDNA 3 & 4 are the same except for RT
But from 2 to 3 there was a significant change
 
Marees said:
The reason is Sony confirmed RT from RDNA 4
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I would doubt this statement as well ;) Do we have a source about Sony PS5 pro technology being the one from RDNA 4 ? Their comms seem way more generic than that.

RDNA 3 do make a lot of sense but a 60 CU 6800 (with 33% faster ram instead of 26% too) is 30% faster than a 40 CU 6700xt in some situation, using that 30% faster for 50% more CU with 66% more CU and we are close to 40%, higher clock could push it there, would make more sense for RDNA3 considering for how long those were ready.
 
LukeTbk said:
I would doubt this statement as well ;) Do we have a source about Sony PS5 pro technology being the one from RDNA 4 ? Their comms seem way more generic than that.
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Sony made a generic statement (unreleased AMD tech)

I expect AMD to now publish the details shortly
 
LukeTbk said:
Will be a really niche console I imagine, $700 price point, if there is an upcoming PS6 november 2027 rumours starting....

Does 45% faster rendering for 67% more CU unit and 27% faster ram tell us something about RDNA core in it ?

Could they be almost the same as before and not some RDNA 4 new one ?
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Yea PS6 in 2027 for the low price of $1000 without a Disc drive.

Dion said:
The Greed is real... Sadly gamers will still buy it.. dat addiction.
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Actually I don't think people will buy it. I thi k this going to flop. Everyone at work that is into console gaming g are saying fuck that to the Pro.
 
Dion said:
The Greed is real... Sadly gamers will still buy it.. dat addiction.
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PS4 pro was under 15% of the playstation totals I think, with a $400 msrp at launch, while providing 4k output as a selling point and offering a bigger performance boost, so not sure about this $700 PS5 pro one, seem harder sale.

I can see why sony has to go to that price point, will be niche and could be mostly bought by people that already has a ps5 not leading to that much improvement revenues from them (they will maybe buy more games because they have the pro, but not that much), maybe more useful to learn stuff to finalize the PS6 design and build a nice library of title that will look better on the PS6 than the PS5 at launch.

60 cu GPU is a big one, TSMC price could have been high
 
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LukeTbk said:
60 cu GPU is a big one, TSMC price could have been high
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Both the 6800 & 7700xt sell for $350 to $400. Plus the NPU/XDNA probably costs $50?
& then capital investment for backend PSSR ML training
 
$700 for a PS5 Pro without a disc drive? $80 for a disc drive...$40 for an upright stand? They are out of their minds.

I'm not even renewing my PS Essentials this year. I turn my PS5 on once a month to get free games I never play.
 
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Did they even mention GTA6 at all? I skimmed through the video, but I didn't see anything but existing titles. Most of which are already on PC or inbound in the near future. I'd all but guarantee TLoU2 will roll out when Season 2 of the show hits. I get not having a disk drive (I haven't bought a game disk in many years), but it's priced like it should come with 5 of them.
I was thinking of selling my PS5 to get one, but now I won't bother. At least not until GTA6 is actually inbound and some bundles start rolling out.
 
Domingo said:
Did they even mention GTA6 at all? I skimmed through the video, but I didn't see anything but existing titles. Most of which are already on PC or inbound in the near future. I'd all but guarantee TLoU2 will roll out when Season 2 of the show hits. I get not having a disk drive (I haven't bought a game disk in many years), but it's priced like it should come with 5 of them.
I was thinking of selling my PS5 to get one, but now I won't bother. At least not until GTA6 is actually inbound and some bundles start rolling out.
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You may have to wait until 2026.

At that point xbox next would be ready

https://tech.hindustantimes.com/gam...s-deny-2026-delay-rumours-71725951242020.html
 
Marees said:
Now that PS5 pro is revealed the NDA for RDNA 4 is out ?
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I am not sure if there is that much or any link between the 2 anymore (max CU count of rdna4 made look like it could be the PS5 pro option and made for it, but the claimed performance gain would be quite bad if this is what going on....), in terms of hardware but also legal, who would have signed a NDA with AMD regarding RDNA 4 with a clause that make it expire on PS5 pro announcement ?

People can always wait, but I do not think it is a guarantee we will get a significant (we should be open that it could be none) gain in frame per $ over a $530 USD 7900 GRE
 
Really, as I see it, it's more of a situation of you don't have to choose between resolution and quality now, rather than an increase in either (despite it saying 8k).

Will I buy it? Honestly, yes. For what? Who knows.

That said, it will sell out in seconds in the end.
 
djoye said:
PiSSeR? I'll buy one and maybe sell my original to offset the cost. I hope they make it easy to drop an existing M.2 drive into the new unit so the games don't need to be redownloaded.
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Don't expect it. The PS4 slim's 2.5'' drive was easy to replace but you could not clone a ps4 drive. Well, maybe a slow exact clone via clonecd might work. I gave up trying years ago with macrium. It was easier to install the new drive, install the OS and redownload/install games. That or transfer backups made to an external and install that way. God forbid Sony let you easily clone it on a PC in 1-3 hours for a 500GB up to a 2TB drive.
 
Geforcepat said:
Well no, Sony would have to expect to sell 10-20 million of them in around 18 months or so. Otherwise, why even do it.
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No.... the analysts expect Sony to sell roughly 1.2 million of them over the next calendar year, based on how well the PS4 Pro sold, the PS4 Pro only sold 1.7 million units it's first year and that was released at $499.
The PS4 Pro didn't even sell 20 million units over it's entire lifetime, topping out around 14.5 million over it's 5 year run.

So this is the expected trend for the units right now.
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Ranulfo said:
Don't expect it. The PS4 slim's 2.5'' drive was easy to replace but you could not clone a ps4 drive. Well, maybe a slow exact clone via clonecd might work. I gave up trying years ago with macrium. It was easier to install the new drive, install the OS and redownload/install games. That or transfer backups made to an external and install that way. God forbid Sony let you easily clone it on a PC in 1-3 hours for a 500GB up to a 2TB drive.
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For my last couple PS upgrades, I used the option to transfer my games directly to/from the consoles over the network. Worked good for me at least. But I also had most of my PS4 library installed on a 4TB external drive that I just physically moved over to the new console with no hassle.

It kinda blows my mind that Sony isn't even offering a disc drive bundle on the Pro for $750 though. You have to imagine that the type of enthusiast this console is marketed towards would definitely want the disc drive. It's going to be interesting to see how well this sells, considering the PS4 Pro allegedly only made up like 20% of overall PS4 sales and it launched at the same $400 price point the base PS4 launched at, but had dropped by the time the Pro came around.
 
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pendragon1 said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GPLwOCbSA

$700 + 80 for a drive and 30 for the stand?! lol im sure people will still snap it up, fomo...
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I'll be getting one, only because I sold mine to get the Pro. I can't see many people getting the Pro over the OG version who haven't bought one yet. I'm annoyed that the Blu-ray player is an add-on since I use it a lot, but they started this nonsense with the Slim.
 
Not sure the $700 computer with a 6500xt 4gb of vram and a 5500, 1TB harddrive is that good of an example to say the PS5 pro is bad value, and if you are open to pc gaming that usually mean you are someone that really do not mind being diskless.... feel a bit dishonest to sound angry at the diskless than propose a diskless pc has being great.

we are not sure that DLSS will be better than this upscaling (specially that here it will be perfectly tune to target an certain FPS at 4k for a specific machine, the native resolution will be perfect for it and the training will be for a very limited set of games)
 
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LukeTbk said:
Not sure the $700 computer with a 6500xt 4gb of vram and a 5500, 1TB harddrive is that good of an example to say the PS5 pro is bad value, and if you are open to pc gaming that usually mean you are someone that really do not mind being diskless....

we are not sure that DLSS will be better than this upscaling (specially that here it will be perfectly tune to target an certain FPS at 4k for a specific machine, the native resolution will be perfect for it and the training will be for a very limited set of games)
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I've gotten extraordinarily tired of the garbage that is becoming Windows 11 and have migrated to console gaming at this point .... doing all my computer stuff on my Mac. I've just been using Windows in a Virtual Machine when I need it for work at this point. I just want to fire up my system and have the game work. I don't like messing with settings or diagnosing crashes or driver issues or the plethora of random things I've experienced over the years with PC gaming. And now all the issues with the latest CPU chips and Windows, I'm just so over it. PC gaming is cheaper in terms of crazy Steam sales, and building gaming rigs is certainly insanely fun, but I don't have time for that as a hobby anymore. When I'm done working, I just want to sit back and relax, turn the console on, and play.
 
My PS5 collects dust 90% of the time. Otherwise it's a (mediocre) 4K UHD player, or a Super PS4 to play PS4 games. Not buying a pro.... and maybe my last console. Back to PCMR I guess
 
polonyc2 said:
PS5 Pro Reveal Reaction- Tech, Specs, Games, Price- A DF Direct Special
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The first youtube comments is one point:

Remember how ps4 pro was twice the power of a regular ps4 and was priced the same as a launch ps4 while the regular one got a price decrease?Well now you get only 45% more power for 200 dollars more while taking features like the disc drive and the stand away from you.

The PS5 initial launch was september 2020, before the crypto demand started, before 20% of inflation since (i.e. $600 of today was $500 when the PS5 launched), yes the PS5 was $500, but at that price it was impossible to find anywhere for years, it was not aligned with its value at all.

Could be why the Xbox Pro was not made, current hardware price not being sensible for it... if a $700 playstation is hard to sales, imagine an $700 Xbox outside the USA... would be marginal at best.
 
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