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Official Crysis 2 Thread

PGHammer said:
Even the one company that has NO history of following the high-end hype (Valve) has gotten their share of brickbats.

Finally, Valve has some competition in the midrange-hardware space.

Crytek pushes midrange hardware *differently* than Valve does (Crysis 2 uses more DX9c features than HL2, for example) but not in a way in which even fans of Valve's titles would complain about.
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No kidding that Crytek pushed DX9 features different than HL2. HL2 can't be considered recent, and unlike the Crysis bullshit, HL2 had a great story and graphics.

PGHammer said:
If you like Valve's work, then Crysis 2 may actually be something you'd enjoy.
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There is no comparing the two. Valve >> any of Crytek's bullshit.
 
There are already games which don't push the hardware envelope though.

First off, pushing the hardware isn't anything new. Since computers have been around, there have always been games which couldn't be seen in their full glory. The Ultima series (early 1980s through late 1990s), System Shock, Ultima Underworld, Unreal, Unreal Tournament, Quake, etc., just to name a few which ran horribly even on top end machines when they were released.

Second, Far Cry and Crysis COULD BOTH BE RUN on low end hardware. While there is complaining going on now that the games aren't pushing the hardware envelope, what you see now is not the same group of people who were whining when Crysis 1 came out. The people complaining then were upset that their 10 year old PC's couldn't run the game at it's highest quality.

Let me give you an analogy. You have a highway which has no speed limit. The state which created it stated you could get from point A to point B in 30 minutes. Now, some people are upset that their Yugo takes 3 1/2 hours. A few people drive Ferrari's and take about 45 minutes. So, the state creates a new highway and tells people that it will be better than the old highway, but to please the Yugo drivers, they implement a 25 MPH speed limit so everyone takes 4 hours to go from point A to point B.

I seldom heard of anyone who complained that they couldn't run Crysis or Far Cry at all. It's just that they couldn't run it at the same quality as hardware enthusiants. But they made it seem that not being to run it with all the bells and whistles on was the same as not being able to run it. So, Crytek listened to them. They removed open ended gameplay. They removed the physics and destructable environments. They lessened the graphics. They dumbed down the AI. They copied CoD's multiplayer so the masses would be happy. But those of us who are hardware enthusiasts, and I'll admit, there aren't many, saw Crytek as one of the few gems out there who shined above the generic FPS clones. And now we have that taken away from us.
 
Um, they could have made it possible to run on all types of machines by simply allowing users a greater degree of freedom in the settings.

Crytek fucked this up. They should have just released it on consoles and then, later, when they MADE A PC GAME, released it.

The game is designed for consoles. It was THE pc benchmark for years. Now, just another brick in the damn wall. THAT is why we are pissed.

Forgive my temper. It just disappointed the hell out of me. I wanted to play this game. See the cool new graphics. Hell, I still can't play Warhead well. I was thinking just today that I will play it again when I have next gen hardware. I won't play Cry 2 unless something dramatically changes. I hope it will but man.
 
PGHammer said:
I don't see $250USD for a GPU as midrange. The fact that you DO tells me that your sense of price-range is decidedly skewed.

Anything above $200USD, to me, is high-end.

Midrange is $100-175USD. (And even the HD57550 launched at the high-end of that.)
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Maybe it's your price-range which is skewed. You stated, to you, anything above $200 is high-end, which is correct. But unless the graphics card is the best consumer card there is from a company, it's not high end.

When I hear high end, I think the Intel Extreme CPU's, not the i3-i7's (non extreme versions). I think of the graphics cards which are targetted to the gaming enthusiast, and not the mainstream. Price doesn't qualify high-end, performance does.
 
If you want a game to kick your computer's ass, buy Shogun 2. Thats another one that look fantastic and has DX11 on the way.
 
Nytegard said:
Maybe it's your price-range which is skewed. You stated, to you, anything above $200 is high-end, which is correct. But unless the graphics card is the best consumer card there is from a company, it's not high end.

When I hear high end, I think the Intel Extreme CPU's, not the i3-i7's (non extreme versions). I think of the graphics cards which are targetted to the gaming enthusiast, and not the mainstream. Price doesn't qualify high-end, performance does.
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I personally think its a mix of price and performance. I agree the 5850 upwards was high end, because "high end" represents a range, not just the best, but the range of the best, which the 5850 fit into.

But we're talking about "ranges", where you decide to put your limits on each range is always gonna be vague. Personally I think mid-range represents either your low end and affordable gamer cards, high end is your expensive/high performance gaming cards, woth low end being your non-gaming or bad-gaming cards.
 
Crysis 2 isn't The Second Coming, but it's a really enjoyable game, especially if you suck at FPS gaming - the cloak feature makes it a lot easier to play.

I was never really an admirer of the jungle setting of Crysis, and far prefer the city, which I think looks fantastic. But what's really great is how the city has vegetation in it. In most games to date, city environments haven't contained much green space, or urban set-aside - this game does a VERY good job at introducing that balance.
 
anyone else having multiplayer problems? I just got the game today. 2 big ass problems right off the bat:
1.) game said my key was already in use in multiplayer for the first 20 minutes.
2.) every game I join has connectivity issues or simply doesn't start. I havent been able to play a single game in the past 2 hours.

Crytek, gimme my 60$ back. No, gimme 70$ for making me go through all this trouble.
 
I am having a odd issue where there are certain place or points in the game if I move around it will give me a extreme stutter for about 1-2 second. It's absolutely annoying the fuck out of me..

And is there anyway to apply MSAA instead blur that covers up the horrible shader?
 
Yeah, this game sucks.

First, everytime when I start the game, it always freezes for at least 5 seconds. Second, why can't we skip those stupid ads, and third, everytime I want to play multiplayer it always asks me to input the serial key, WTF? I tried those workarounds but none of them worked. And forth, they did not include anti aliasing support for this piece of shit game. And who the fuck cares about the "Press Start/Enter" screen at the front? Please get rid of that in a future patch and make sure you include DX11 support.

Glad I did not pay $80 for this stupid game.

Also, what happens if you use up 5 of your activations on your serial key? Will I have to get a new serial or can I contact EA to reset it?
 
shansoft said:
I am having a odd issue where there are certain place or points in the game if I move around it will give me a extreme stutter for about 1-2 second. It's absolutely annoying the fuck out of me..

And is there anyway to apply MSAA instead blur that covers up the horrible shader?
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Try using this

You can disable the blur and try leaving MSAA enabled

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1807934

I haven't fooled with it too much though
 
Am I the only person here who not only thinks this looks vastly better than the original Crysis, but can't understand why people think the first game looks better - I guess I am.

What I'm seeing on my 27 inch monitor is jaw dropping. I also can't believe how smooth it is. And gameplay-wise, I'm having a blast. I can't stand competitive FPS online gaming... I mean, I just hate it... so maybe that has something to do with it. I played Modern Warfare online once, and just thought it was insanely stupid.

Ah well, I guess in this case it's good to be in the minority.
 
John Vuong said:
Also, what happens if you use up 5 of your activations on your serial key? Will I have to get a new serial or can I contact EA to reset it?
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you can deactivate by going into 'Games Explorer' and right clicking the Crysis 2 icon...select deactivate on this computer or something along those lines as I'm not at my main system at the moment
 
WabeWalker said:
Am I the only person here who not only thinks this looks vastly better than the original Crysis, but can't understand why people think the first game looks better - I guess I am.

What I'm seeing on my 27 inch monitor is jaw dropping. I also can't believe how smooth it is. And gameplay-wise, I'm having a blast. I can't stand competitive FPS online gaming... I mean, I just hate it... so maybe that has something to do with it. I played Modern Warfare online once, and just thought it was insanely stupid.

Ah well, I guess in this case it's good to be in the minority.
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I seriously don't know what you are looking at. the game is okay and some parts look as good or maybe better than the original but overall it is not impressive looking at all. many graphical features have been dumbed down or simplified for DX9. the vegetation looks horrific and many textures are fairly low res. the AA used just makes the whole game blurry. overall it is quite unimpressive looking for a 2011 game released from a company known to push the pc visuals.
 
WabeWalker said:
I can't remember a game that looked this good, and ran this well.
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Exactly, as much as people want to bash this game this is the thing that makes is special. Many want to forget the CONSTANT complaints about the performance of Crysis 1 but it tons of folks were bitter about this issue. To pretend that it wasn't a problem just isn't being honest. Now granted I think those people made too much of it, good hardware at the time could run Crysis 1 well but it definitely took a few notches above average for the time to get there.
 
cannondale06 said:
I seriously don't know what you are looking at. the game is okay and some parts look as good or maybe better than the original but overall it is not impressive looking at all. many graphical features have been dumbed down or simplified for DX9. the vegetation looks horrific and many textures are fairly low res. the AA used just makes the whole game blurry. overall it is quite unimpressive looking for a 2011 game released from a company known to push the pc visuals.
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Don't be dumb

Crysis 1 basically had no DX10 specific effects at all, everything worked in DX9 with just a couple settings changes and it literally looked exactly the same. If Crysis 2 is dumbed down for DX9 then the first game must have looked shitty too.

Could they have pushed it? Yeah, and it's disappointing. But I'm half way through the game and the textures are not as big a problem as people like to think. There were iffy spots in the first game and there's iffy spots here. Here's a nice high res trash bin to help you feel better:
Crysis2%202011-03-19%2001-04-34-05.png
 
socK said:
Don't be dumb

Crysis 1 basically had no DX10 specific effects at all, everything worked in DX9 with just a couple settings changes and it literally looked exactly the same. If Crysis 2 is dumbed down for DX9 then the first game must have looked shitty too.

Could they have pushed it? Yeah, and it's disappointing. But I'm half way through the game and the textures are not as big a problem as people like to think. There were iffy spots in the first game and there's iffy spots here. Here's a nice high res trash bin to help you feel better: https://photos-3.dropbox.com/i/o/U0...9J3GwXWiKKAFLmerc/10565193/1301119200/7d4d9c7
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Huh? no DX10 specific effects? Apparently you never play the game before...or never play between DX9 or DX10 on max setting.
 
That guy who did the texture pack for the original Crysis deserved major kudos. I keep thinking the mod was called Quarl's Texture pack, or something like that - but that was the Oblivion mod, wasn't it?
 
socK said:
please show me a game changing DX10 effect that wasn't functional in DX9. actually, show me anything.


http://www.tweakguides.com/Crysis_13.html

http://www.tweakguides.com/images/Crysis_21a.jpg dx9
http://www.tweakguides.com/images/Crysis_21b.jpg dx10

oh yes, world of difference indeed.
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Yeah, that was actually well known at the time. Most of the DX10 effects were actually DX9 effects.

I suspect the same thing is happening with Metro's depth-of-field. It's only visible when you select DX11 mode, but I have a hunch that it's a DX9 effect.
 
socK said:
Could they have pushed it? Yeah, and it's disappointing. But I'm half way through the game and the textures are not as big a problem as people like to think. There were iffy spots in the first game and there's iffy spots here. Here's a nice high res trash bin to help you feel better: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10565193/games/Crysis2 2011-03-19 01-04-34-05.png
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It's not so much the high resolution texture as it is the insane amount of normal mapping that gives the illusion of such.
 
Snowknight26 said:
It's not so much the high resolution texture as it is the insane amount of normal mapping that gives the illusion of such.
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ok, and detail texturing is a common trick that's been around for 5000 years.

unreal 1 did it
hl2 did it
ut3 did it, more fancifully with normal maps
crysis 1 did it

an infinite amount of games do it.
 
I've played the game for a little while and I can't help feeling a bit disappointed. The game looks nice, but at the same time I don't like the amount of bloom/glows. I really wish there was some way to turn that off. I would happily trade the bloom for more AA. I thought the first level actually looked a bit ugly, it's way too brown and yellow for my tastes. The second level looks better though.

The gameplay is fun and enjoyable, but I really hope more options to tweak the settings will be available in the future. I like for example the "Very High" setting more than "Extreme", but the object quality is significantly worse at the former setting, but the shading/colors look better IMHO.
 
Playing crysis for the first time and seeing the suit with the latest graphics and shaders and all the intricate detail I was friggin amazed and still am playing it to this day, it looks sick. Loading up crysis 2 and seeing almost zero shaders with settings on hardcore I'm thinking, what the fuck? This game is dx 9, it's like 3 years behind the original crysis, lol. The first bit inside the sub was sort of cool, but then instead of having an in-game rendered cutscene showing off the leet dx9 graphics, you are presented with a spiffy subpar below friggin 720p hd video of what you can do in the game, wooo. I'm in xbox heaven! Love how the game starts at like 1024 rez with letter boxing on the side on my 24" screen.

Way to fucking sell out crytek. Only reason I have what little faith I have left in pc gaming is valve at this point. I'll force myself to beat the game only because I got it, but damn. It's ironic how nvidia is soo in bed with crytek promoting their latest 590 card too. This game would be pwned by a gtx265 and run good, considering it's dx9...
 
shansoft said:
Huh? no DX10 specific effects? Apparently you never play the game before...or never play between DX9 or DX10 on max setting.
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For real. Like it or not Crysis 2 is just over burdened with lighting and smoke effects ..this does not equal "great" graphics and in fact is a cheap way to make things appear pretty.

Crysis 1 with mods is still a better looking game simply because the textures are better overall and even though the mods increase the lighting/smoke effects quite a bit it at least in my eyes look superior.

Hell Crysis 2 won't even run for 10 mins without crashing on my system and no other game has problems on my PC and I don't mean a simple game crash but a hard lock up into a blue screen even with the latest drivers and my comp being fully stable otherwise

I suppose people are really impressed with lighting and smoke effects then actual high resolution textures. If Crysis 2 had a better graphics option menu and you could turn down the lighting/smoke effects then I'm sure it would look pretty average.

I really want to at least finish the game for the story line but until it gets patched and or AMD releases more stable drivers I'm pretty much screwed.
 
People can say what they want about the graphics looking good, but the textures are low res in this game, bottom line. Not to mention there are hardly any shaders in game, the smoke effects do a good job on hiding the blurry textures though no doubt, crytek did something right. Unless they release a true dx11 patch like dragon age 2 which has better textures as well, then they just seriously fail. I think half-life 2 looks better than this game, and that's before they even introduced hdr into the damn game, lol.
 
I had to stop playing after the game made me stop to activate the visor mode. I'm gonna install deus ex and call it a night. :D
 
Italiano86 said:
People can say what they want about the graphics looking good, but the textures are low res in this game, bottom line. Not to mention there are hardly any shaders in game, the smoke effects do a good job on hiding the blurry textures though no doubt, crytek did something right. Unless they release a true dx11 patch like dragon age 2 which has better textures as well, then they just seriously fail. I think half-life 2 looks better than this game, and that's before they even introduced hdr into the damn game, lol.
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I wouldn't go so far as to say HL2 has looks better than this game but Crysis 2 is a disappointment graphically at least for me. Its really too bad , I had hoped that it would have at least stood up next to the original Crysis but its quite sad to say it doesn't even really match up (again at least to me).

I think I could deal with the downsides of Crysis 2 if it had the same mod support the first game has , that would mean some user could make a texture pack or mod to make up for it. Instead Crytek has no interest in making a SDK kit for modders.

Seeing all these major PC titles toss aside mod support really is frustrating , DICE doesn't sound like it'll offer mod tools either (because the Frostbite 2.0 engine is too complex?? :rolleyes:) I hope this trend isn't going become common place with more franchises.
 
^^ Yeah, my biggest complaint right now isn't the graphics, or the gameplay - it's that voice coming on telling me about all the "tactical options" I have whenever I'm not in linear corridor mode. Also, you don't need to keep reminding me which buttons to press after the tutorial!
 
orangeblue said:
^^ Yeah, my biggest complaint right now isn't the graphics, or the gameplay - it's that voice coming on telling me about all the "tactical options" I have whenever I'm not in linear corridor mode. Also, you don't need to keep reminding me which buttons to press after the tutorial!
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Oh yeah, it continues as you go on and on. Press. Tap. Activate. Esc. Quit. Uninstall.
 
orangeblue said:
^^ Yeah, my biggest complaint right now isn't the graphics, or the gameplay - it's that voice coming on telling me about all the "tactical options" I have whenever I'm not in linear corridor mode. Also, you don't need to keep reminding me which buttons to press after the tutorial!
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The things that stopped me playing the single player was the game constantly interrupting me to tell me stuff and the annoying as all hell "music". :p
 
-Tetsuo- said:
lol@ Half-Life 2 looking better.

crysis1.jpg


Really?
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Unfortunately I was serious, the textures in hl2 are actually comparable to crysis 2. Now obviously crysis 2 will look better visually over all, but the textures are blurry and not very sharp, thus comparable to hl2's. IMHO hl2's aesthetics do look more crisp and clean, valve just did an amazing job, which was 7 years ago. It seems like you tried to post a pic but nothing is showing up...and it has crysis1.jpg at the end of it.
 
cannondale06 said:
I seriously don't know what you are looking at. the game is okay and some parts look as good or maybe better than the original but overall it is not impressive looking at all. many graphical features have been dumbed down or simplified for DX9. the vegetation looks horrific and many textures are fairly low res. the AA used just makes the whole game blurry. overall it is quite unimpressive looking for a 2011 game released from a company known to push the pc visuals.
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I posted this some pages back, but since it was ignored, I'll post this again:

- http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1807048

I don't see what's absolutely amazing about the original Crysis' textures considering how some are saying Crysis 2 textures aren't very good.
 
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