Nvidia vs. ATI - Linux benchmarks

[Netrat33]

Who cares what ya think this post if for Linux users lol, if you don't use Linux don't post here its irrelevent to you. Linux users don't need a windows users input because they don't use Linux, nothing personal, just sounds kinda rough.

On a side not if ATi improves their Linux drivers it would automatically improve thier Ogl performance under windows.....

Also Linux supports Sm 3.0 since its part of Ogl 2.0, and if ATi has extensions for 3dc in Ogl then yes that too is supported in Linux too

First off it is a public forum so of course anyone can chime in. And you can simply "brush away" my post and disregard it for hoo-ha.
The thread is about benches for linux from a well known ATi basher (so he's trying to prove a point).
My original post (which understandly can be forgotten) was mentioning how these cards are pretty useless in a large scale in that regard of a gaming platform since they are gaming cards. People responded to that and I responded and agrued my case.

As for SM3 and 3Dc, I was trying to do a comparison about linux and special features.
Sm3/3dc useless if no one programs for it. Linux gaming-useless if no one makes games for it so buying one of these cards is an expensive flush down the toilet. And i'm not talking trickled down games here and there

 

[rancor]

First off it is a public forum so of course anyone can chime in. And you can simply "brush away" my post and disregard it for hoo-ha.
The thread is about benches for linux from a well known ATi basher (so he's trying to prove a point).
My original post (which understandly can be forgotten) was mentioning how these cards are pretty useless in a large scale in that regard of a gaming platform since they are gaming cards. People responded to that and I responded and agrued my case.

As for SM3 and 3Dc, I was trying to do a comparison about linux and special features.
Sm3/3dc useless if no one programs for it. Linux gaming-useless if no one makes games for it so buying one of these cards is an expensive flush down the toilet. And i'm not talking trickled down games here and there

The thing is test out the quadros and firegl cards, they are just gaming cards too with a few more opengl extensions. Those are used more on linux boxes then the gaming card versions.

And the Unreal engine and Cry engine both use Sm 3.0 and both run in Linux or will run in Linux. Go over to Indsutrial Light and Magic and find out what systems they use. As I said only the marquee games are put on linux because of the profit margins.


You don't need to talk about windows gaming performance in this thread either Its not about windows gaming performance.

 

[cjcox]

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As for SM3 and 3Dc, I was trying to do a comparison about linux and special features.
Sm3/3dc useless if no one programs for it. Linux gaming-useless if no one makes games for it so buying one of these cards is an expensive flush down the toilet. And i'm not talking trickled down games here and there

I agree. I played 5,393 games just last night.... would have been more but I got side tracked by the stupid debates. Usually I play over 10,000 different 3d games a night.

LInux sucks because there are only hundreds of games for it. Come on! That doesn't even fill up my lunch break.

Flush those 3d cards now!! PM me and I'll gladly take the evil things off of your hands! Useless Linux!

 

[devourment77]

i actually mainly use linux.. for everything.. gaming.. webservers.. fileservers.. mythTV (my bad ass tivo box i built)

I must say ut2k4 is faster for me in linux than in windows, and I am looking forward to doom 3. Also neverwinter nights runs great for me in linux. I don't mind actually buying a game that supports linux.

As linux continues to gains market share on the desktop.. more games will be supported. I am actually glade they ported doom3.. because it is about damn time ATI worked on there linux drivers.. I was an owner for a 9800 pro 256mb for a long time.. and went back to my ti4200 just because my 9800 sucked so bad on ut2k4 and other games (in linux)..

Long story short.. i would buy a 400 card just for my linux box.. I mean look how many ppl bought a 6800 JUST for doom 3.. that means they bought it for one game...

Just because there are not millions of games for linux at the moment doesn't mean linux CAN'T be a gaming system....

 

[obs]

That's what I just said though. That's why it's not a good gaming platform. Even if a game plays faster on it, if there aren't many games for it it's not a gaming platform not does it warrant buying either video cards to play games

SM3 and 3Dc offer both current cards great performance hikes in games...IF it has support.

So you think that because linux isn't the best gaming platform that no one buys video cards to use with them? I'll tell you what, a lot of people do. And they aren't ATI cards.

Not to mention you can *gasp* dual boot (like myself), and then run games like Q3 in linux because they run better in that environment. Of course, once again, you won't likely be doing this with an ATI card.

 

[The Batman]

So you think that because linux isn't the best gaming platform that no one buys video cards to use with them? I'll tell you what, a lot of people do. And they aren't ATI cards.

Not to mention you can *gasp* dual boot (like myself), and then run games like Q3 in linux because they run better in that environment. Of course, once again, you won't likely be doing this with an ATI card.

Why would you need to dual boot for Q3 though? I can run that game in windows at 400FPS.

 

[Netrat33]

OK maybe people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying linux isn't a good workstation computer. Gaming is different.

I don't care if you get a few big name titles.
There are a crap load of other great games that aren't big names that are fun and do relatively well.

As of right now, World of warcraft is a big name title that isn't supporting linux
so while you sit around waiting and WONDERING IF the game will come over, people are already playing it
Sims 2. Big name game, one of the best sellers of all time...no linux support (well i'm pretty sure it doesn't)

Either way..we have PCs. You have the option to choose of course. But if your running linux for games it's VERY limiting. And buying a card for that is a waste.
That's why a lot of you dual boot cuz you HAVE to play all the games you want!

And if you spent a lot of money ona video card to play a handful of games...that's insane.
you should buy a video card knowing you can play anything for some many years and not because of your operating system

 

[Netrat33]

"Hey look at me! I'm an WindowsNT 4 gamer!"

sounds silly doesn't it

 

[obs]

And if you spent a lot of money ona video card to play a handful of games...that's insane.

Hate to break it to you, but that's what I do with windows. If fact, I'd bet that's what a lot of windows users do. Want to know some of the games supported? Well in addition to games with native linux support, head over the the Transgaming Game Database. More than just a "handful" of games are supported. This software is also actively supported.

My point here is, without NVIDIA, 3d gaming on linux would be non-existant. You need hardware support before software. NVIDIA has done this. ATI hasn't. I personally would like to see linux gaming get better which is why I support the company that actively giving their support to make that happen.

 

[Netrat33]

hmm...funny..through an emulator..for windows
Mac has those too

 

[tornadotsunamilife]

warcraft 3 on linux. i'm impressed.(i'm not being sarcastic)

 

[rancor]

"Hey look at me! I'm an WindowsNT 4 gamer!"

sounds silly doesn't it

? actaully windows nt I was using that before xp came out, its much better then the regular windows of its time for gaming too, but since the os is more expensive then others general consumers don't buy it as much.

 

[cjcox]

And if you spent a lot of money ona video card to play a handful of games...that's insane.
you should buy a video card knowing you can play anything for some many years and not because of your operating system

So you are saying there are litterally thousands of games requiring a $300-400 card in Windows?? Of course not!

Some believe you should choose an operating system that doesn't try to control what you can or can't do with it. You obviously feel that Microsoft is taking you where you want to go today.. fine. Enjoy the ride. Everyone gets to choose their master.

 

[tornadotsunamilife]

however i feel any comments based on security flaws in windows xp etc. is a bit unfair, because window owns most of the market, plus not everyone likes microsoft security holes become more apparant. i'm sure linux bistro's and mac OSX have security flaws but since not as many people use them they go unseen.

 

[rancor]

There are holes but they are fixing in a week other then months of waiting for a new patch, thats the nice thing about open source there 10 of thousands of people working on fixes.

 

[tornadotsunamilife]

There are holes but they are fixing in a week other then months of waiting for a new patch, thats the nice thing about open source there 10 of thousands of people working on fixes.

i agree. however i can't imagine any linux bistro being under as much of a threat from a form of hack etc. compared to a windows OS

 

[obs]

however i feel any comments based on security flaws in windows xp etc. is a bit unfair, because window owns most of the market, plus not everyone likes microsoft security holes become more apparant. i'm sure linux bistro's and mac OSX have security flaws but since not as many people use them they go unseen.

This is a very common misconception. Apache is the dominant web host software. Yet somehow IIS still takes the lead when it comes to exploits. Why? Because windows is designed with poor security. Every bug gives the intruder full access to the system. The same is not true with linux.

 

[tornadotsunamilife]

This is a very common misconception. Apache is the dominant web host software. Yet somehow IIS still takes the lead when it comes to exploits. Why? Because windows is designed with poor security. Every bug gives the intruder full access to the system. The same is not true with linux.

well that is very interesting.


btw to mods: sorry for being slightly off-topic

 

[trashcan]

Thank you rancor for pointing out that this is a Linux thred. I goota say thank you to Nvidia for such a kick ass effort on your linux driver. Thank You.

 

[hamm3rhead]

There are holes but they are fixing in a week other then months of waiting for a new patch, thats the nice thing about open source there 10 of thousands of people working on fixes.

Actually most of the really handy tools I use are developed by people on their own free time. Major flaws that effect lots of software may get that sort of attention.. generally I end up beta testing and working with people to get issues resolved. As far as my linux boxes that are game worthy they have nVidia cards.. dl kernel source recompile kernel recompile driver blah blah blah. The "crap" ati default ogl driver is more then enough to run a decent x desktop with a couple little games.. unlike the nv driver which won't even run an ogl screensaver. Lunix is not a "great" gaming desktop you have to wait to long for support even on nvidia cards. MY oPInIoN.

 

[devourment77]

Neither the ATi or Nvidia card seems to work with AF, which just completely kills off linux as a gaming platform for me. The first one to implement AF will be at great advantage (Sure Nvidia is winning the performance race right now, but with no AF, it looks hella crappier than Windows versions of the same games)

i use nvidia drivers 6111 and in nvidia-settings (gui control panel for nvidia cards) i can enable AA and AF.. and they work in ut2k4 and I do get slow downs (like in windows) but the sure look nice to me..

also you can set it to application preferece, so AA (8x) and AF (8x) can be set through the game.. like in doom 3 hight/ultra quality modes

note.. i only used this on ut2k4 so far.. don't have doom 3 install in linux to test to see if it works

 

[MrDigital]

Yay, a linux benchmark. Let's hear it for linux gamers (all 5 of them)!

I can't wait for the next comparison:
ATI vs. nVidia in Windows 3.1! Who still has what it takes to kick it oooold school?

M4d /<RAD PR0P5 TO NV1D14.

-MrD

 

[obs]

Yay, a linux benchmark. Let's hear it for linux gamers (all 5 of them)!

I can't wait for the next comparison:
ATI vs. nVidia in Windows 3.1! Who still has what it takes to kick it oooold school?

M4d /<RAD PR0P5 TO NV1D14.

-MrD

Linux is more advanced than windows in quite a number of ways. Gaming just isn't one of them. However, if it were left up to ATI it would stay that way. At least NVIDIA provides some support.

 

[MrDigital]

Linux is more advanced than windows in quite a number of ways. Gaming just isn't one of them. However, if it were left up to ATI it would stay that way. At least NVIDIA provides some support.

I don't even want to get into another Linux vs. Windows debate in the video card forum (and I'm sure no one else wants me to either), so I won't even bother.

It would be nice if ATI offered a comparable solution however.

-MrD