Nvidia still faster?

eric66 said:
pro ati site :D lol that site is the last in being pro ati besides you prooved that they aren't :) i remember there 4870 review which was the most pro nvidia :D
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Yes, they are a pro-ati site. They even produce and host ati-tool, and a large number of ati BIOS.
 
Of course the performance for the dollar is gonna be bad its at launch. If you compare it to the 280 when it was $650 then things suddenly look much better. I can't even remember the last time a #1 performing card launched for less than $600. 1900xtx/xt was $649/$549 if i remember right. Also they calculated it based off the relative performance of the cards across all the resolutions they used which in some cases was 1024x768 in which case your cpu bound and any decent modern vid card is gonna peform the same. Id like to see that performance/dollar chart based off only 2560x1600 benchmarks, then youd get the picture. If you game at less than 1920x1200 you shouldnt even be thinking of buying this card. And yes I do think it's relevant whether a video card has 1 vs 2 gpus. If Ati has worked on reducing microstuttering that's great but just because you don't think you can sense microstuttering is happening doesn't mean it's not bothering you. It could be a situation where its not bothering you ENOUGH to return the card. If you end up buying a similarly performing single gpu card however and notice its running much smoother at high fps then now you do want to return that dual gpu card. In this case ignorance is bliss, as most people dont have similarly performing video cards from the same generation to compare 1 vs 2 gpu performance. I don't notice any microstuttering on my 9800gx2 but I don't have any other video cards around to compare it to. That doesn't mean its not a relevant topic of discussion because if I could compare it I might bug the hell out of me all of a sudden. I'd compare it to looking at lcd monitors. A TN panel's bad vertical viewing angles or PVA panel's bad color shifting might not look bad on its own but if you put it next to quality IPS panel these inferior subtleties become much clearer (I know IPS panels have their drawbacks too).
 
The ATI cards also support DX10.1 and Shader 4.1. Something that Nvidia still refuses to add to their cards. And no, you can no longer claim cards can't handle it.

If your going to buy a card costing $500 or more, why spend money on a card that doesn't even support the latest standards?
 
JimmiG said:
ATI feel comfortable selling the card at a premium because it beats Nvidia's high-end card by a wide marigin. It has always been like that..The faster the card is, the more of a premium you pay.. Guess why I got a 4850? ;)
Look forward to the 4850X2, though.. At $400 and with a lower power requirement it might be even more interesting than the 4870X2.
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Wide margin? You call that wide?
 
GunzofNavarone said:
If you are a Nvidia-only guy then i would think you tend to use certain arguments to make you feel better than Nvidia is now officially number 2.

single vs. multiple GPUs
MicroStuttering
Physx
Drivers ETC

anything to cloud that fact that Nvidia is number 2.
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I am not so sure you understand the terminology "former" and "latter." If you merely read what he said you would realize that he is supporting the fact that the 4870x2 beats the gtx 280. In fact, I am not entirely sure I understand what the intent of your post is.

It's a known fact that competition is good for the market. Now that nVidia does not have the top card this round you can bet your arse they will be working hard to ensure that their next release is a darned good one. This entire situation is awesome for us, not only are we almost certainly gaurunteed a better card next time around, but we also will see some pricing wars as well. Perfect situation to be in for the consumer.
 
GunzofNavarone said:
If you are a Nvidia-only guy then i would think you tend to use certain arguments to make you feel better than Nvidia is now officially number 2.

single vs. multiple GPUs
MicroStuttering
Physx
Drivers ETC

anything to cloud that fact that Nvidia is number 2.
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add in : GT280 beats a 4870x2 in Crysis
 
ATITool and BIOS editors doesnt mean they support ATI - ATITool is used by Nvidia cards and they were written by them. Hardly bias.

And by that chart, the 9600GT is the best buy, but thats not what this card is for so its pointless

Looks like the trolls are out in force :rolleyes:
 
ZerazaX said:
ATITool and BIOS editors doesnt mean they support ATI - ATITool is used by Nvidia cards and they were written by them. Hardly bias.

And by that chart, the 9600GT is the best buy, but thats not what this card is for so its pointless

Looks like the trolls are out in force :rolleyes:
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If you have followed the site over the years, you would know. ATi Tool did not always support nVidia cards either.

I was just adding the P:p ratio as a reason I won't be getting one, the main reason for the post was to show a review with "more than 5 games".
 
vick1000 said:
Wide margin? You call that wide?
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From: http://techreport.com/articles.x/15293/4


2560x1600 4x/16x

COD4:
GTX280: 51.2 FPS
4870X2: 83.6 FPS

HL Ep. 2
GTX280: 65.5 FPS
4870X2: 85.3 FPS

Quake Wars:
GTX280: 74.2 FPS
4870X2: 100.7 FPS

Crysis (High, 1920x1200)
GTX280: 30.1
4870X2: 30.1

Assasins Creed
GTX280: 37.4
4870X2: 41.1

GRID:
GTX280: 42.1
4870X2: 94.1

GTX280 average FPS all games: 50.08 FPS
4870X2 average FPS all games: 72.48 FPS

I'd call 44.7% better performance on average "wide".
 
OpStar said:
For all of those gamers out there with a 30" LCD eh?
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that seems to be what this card is for. the added memory doesn't do anything below that. in fact I am having trouble justifying this card for my 1920 by 1200. If I could find out how well CFAA does on a pair of 4850 I would bite right now. where is the crossfire comparison from H? we need to apply the whip to kyle.
 
Monkey God said:
Because it DOES matter. When the CF or SLI doesn't work right, you got half a card all of a sudden. When you dick around with custom profiles for the games and resintalling various driver versions to try to make it all work right, you waste time and get aggravated. That matters to ME. And to other people as well. You just want to call it one GPU so you can get on you fanboy soapbox. Is it one card? YES. Is it one GPU? NO.. Is it transparent to the user? NO. When they can make a multi GPU card that appears like one GPU to ALL Games and ALL drivers, so not even the user can tell the difference, then it wont matter.


I dont give a shit about their design difference, I give shit about the driver implementation and the fact I have to screw around with profiles to make it work right.

The X2 is a kick ass card, but its not a single GPU solution, and for some people, that makes it a showstopper.
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I agree. I'll be back to multi-gpu when something truly revolutionary comes on the scene, until then the pitfalls that have been mentioned over and over are still there, even to a lesser extent and that is enough for me. Honestly unless you are driving a 30" a 4870 or 280 is going to be a much better experience from my pov.



 
OpStar said:
For all of those gamers out there with a 30" LCD eh?
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If I owned a 30in monitor, I'd consider switching my SLI'd 280s. At 1920x1200, my GTXs do well against a x2.
If building now, I would have already ordered a x2.
 
I own a 42" HDTV and game at 1920x1080, the extra AA performance of the 4870 in crossfire has helped me tremendously, so yea I bought them :D.

And to the op, you want them to compare one Dual slot card to a configuration that takes up 4? PC-Perspective did with the GTX-260, the Sli configuration did better but they never gave it the nod due to the fact that its taking up a majority of the spots for a slightly better performance value and at the same power consumption (really glad they added that in there, it suprised the hell out of me that it consumed the same as SLI'd GTX260's!)

What sucks for some ultra enthusiasts is Crossfire X right now is pointless, it seems the drivers have nothing for it or the games just don't know how to take advantage of this, if they can WOW 24xAA in EVERY game (save crisis :D!)
 
Dan_D said:
I wish we could get off this single vs. multiple GPUs on one card thing. Right now ATI has the single fastest video card on the market. It doesn't matter how they got there, the fact is they are there now. I've had multiple GPU configurations in my systems for years and I've had dual GPU cards and single GPU cards. I've always thought of each and everyone of them as a single video card.

The 4870 X2 is one card. The Geforce GTX 280 is one card. The former card just happens to kick the latter cards' ass. I just can't understand why people act like you shouldn't compare the two cards because of their design differences.
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ATi ftw this time :). yeah its a single card, enough said
 
OpStar said:
For all of those gamers out there with a 30" LCD eh?
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Yup..This card is designed for 25x16 gaming..It's not like gamers with 19" screens are going to go out and buy these $550 cards... that's why ATI also have the 4850, 4870 and soon 4850X2 in their lineup :)
 
*notes that there are now video cards available faster than his SLi GTX 280 setup*

*notes all the people talking about who's "#1" and "#2" and various other asininity*

*remembers that these are video cards and it's just ridiculously lame to be a "fan" of video card companies. Just buy the cards that you can afford when you can afford them.*
 
GunzofNavarone said:
If you are a Nvidia-only guy then i would think you tend to use certain arguments to make you feel better than Nvidia is now officially number 2.

single vs. multiple GPUs
MicroStuttering
Physx
Drivers ETC

anything to cloud that fact that Nvidia is number 2.
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Hurin said:
*notes that there are now video cards available faster than his SLi GTX 280 setup*

*notes all the people talking about who's "#1" and "#2" and various other asininity*

*remembers that these are video cards and it's just ridiculously lame to be a "fan" of video card companies. Just buy the cards that you can afford when you can afford them.*
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*notes that Hurin tells it like it is, fo sho*

:D
 
PRIME1 said:
NVIDIA still has the fasted GPU by far.

The upcoming die shrink could bring a GTX290x2 or whatever.

I'm still partial to using just one GPU as SLI/Crossfire have problems with scaling on games that are not in the standard benchmark rotation.
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I'm also partial to one GPU because I prefer to play games with vsync enabled and vsync drastically inhibits SLI/Crossfire performance.

It bums me out that all these review sites never point out this fact when reviewing X2 cards, whether Nvidia or ATI.

Now that Nvidia has enabled physx on recent GPU's and you can use your old GPU as a dedicated PPU, I think Nvidia has a lot going for it.

I think the biggest fans of single GPU's are either 1) People who don't have capable mainboards/psu/$$ or 2) Former SLI/Crossfire users who got fed up with all the headaches.

The best single GPU solution is still the GTX 280.
 
b00gjuice said:
The best single GPU solution is still the GTX 280.
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No..... the best "card" period. Is the 4870x2. When the 280x2 gets here maybe the balance will shift again as it has in the past. but since there is no such thing as of yet as a 280gtx X2 ( Which I will gladly herald as a single card if and when it arrives.) .... then this day belongs to ATI. Horay 4870x2 :D
 
OpStar said:
For all of those gamers out there with a 30" LCD eh?
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Yes, exactly for people like me who own a 30in LCD. As I said earlier, this card benefits 2560X1600 gamers the very most. With AA and AF at this resolution, the 4870X2 sodomizes the GTX280 on just about every game. That's why I'll be picking one up in the next few weeks.
 
vick1000 said:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4870_X2/

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That's the deal breaker for me, that and the rediculous power requirment. This is from a Pro-ATi site as well.
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wow, 9600gt's still cheaper than 8800gt's in the states then?

here 8800gt beats 9600gt value for money as they both priced very similiar.
 
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