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Nvidia Permenantly Blocking Overclocking

cageymaru said:
It's Intel's business acumen that nets them huge profits every quarter using that same tactic. Don't knock what works. :) Think about how Nvidia could market a GTX 980 that only runs at stock clocks? If you thought the current ones are really efficient and cool, then a locked one would be even better! Europeans looking to save every watt would love it!

Then they could sell an unlocked version for $750 for the environmentally unconscious consumer looking to hotrod their cards. Win, win for everyone involved.
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NV does indeed have a right and we pay extra for OC version cards already from AIBs.

But the way they have gone about it is all wrong because Intel did not send out a BIOS update to disable currently bought OCable chips and then say now if you want to OC buy our K version.
 
If people don't see this as inherently wrong then they're OK with anything Nvidia does. That fact that they're doing this now means that they don't give a rats ass about user opinions. They know they have the marketshare to pull this crap and they know that many enthusiasts seem to be wearing green tinted glasses. Hell we had people defending them for lying now people defending them for this. How many times are we going to go looking for a silver lining in shit like this.

Sent from my Galaxy Note 3.
 
5150Joker said:
So many incorrect assumptions in this post I don't know where to begin so I won't bother. I will recommend you read up on performance gaming notebooks and visit pertinent websites that have such communities. People are exceeding desktop performance levels with some of those gaming notebooks that have 2 x 980M with overclocks. And yes their CPUs are also capable of being OC'd.
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NO please correct him instead of making a lame "go look it up dummy" non-argument. Point for point, refute it.
 
Arct1c0n said:
I love the "click bait" thread title :rolleyes:
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Yeah no doubt, I was like no way. I've had a couple mobile NVidia chips and they wouldn't overclock worth a damn, but I think it was due to the brick already being at its max output. Damn you Clevo and your 180w PSU's!
 
Yup, looks like people are more than ok with getting it in the rear from Nvidia. Blocking OCing on laptops that could previously OC is pretty fucked up. Also to the guy asking Joker to refute those points, why don't you read the entire thread. How many people have to refute it until you get it?
 
Wow some of the people in this thread almost kind of makes me wish Nvidia would block Desktop GPU overclocking just so I can see those same people turn in to giant hypocrites and complain that it's not right.

Seriously I said it in the front page thread if Nvidia did the same thing with desktop GPU's this forum would melt Down with all the Nvidia hate; and believe me that will happen sooner then people think if we don't put up a united front now it will be too late then.

Oh well really thought enthusiasts here were a community guess I was wrong remeber this post in 3-5 year when no one can overclock anything.
 
schizrade said:
NO please correct him instead of making a lame "go look it up dummy" non-argument. Point for point, refute it.
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Why should I bother? It would be like talking to a brick wall and besides, all the information has already been presented here and can easily be found using something called Google.

kinjo said:
Wow some of the people in this thread almost kind of makes me wish Nvidia would block Desktop GPU overclocking just so I can see those same people turn in to giant hypocrites and complain that it's not right.

Seriously I said it in the front page thread if Nvidia did the same thing with desktop GPU's this forum would melt Down with all the Nvidia hate; and believe me that will happen sooner then people think if we don't put up a united front now it will be too late then.

Oh well really thought enthusiasts here were a community guess I was wrong remeber this post in 3-5 year when no one can overclock anything.
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Yeah they think it's not their problem until NVIDIA does something even more nefarious to the desktop side, then they'll be crying. Thing is, a lot of the guys talking trash about gaming laptops have desktops that are a joke and in many cases slower than those gaming laptops they're making fun of.
 
770 lightning is the fastest 770 you can buy. If they lock up desktop I'll buy amd. This isn't hard.
 
I think people are overreacting.

They will most likely only lock the chips that are at the top of the thermal envelope.
 
As we all should know by now, GSYNC on a mobile chipset is already here via a driver. You can enable it on some Nvidia notebooks via an OEM driver. What if they are locking the chipsets now, to pretend to save us from overclocking them, so that you won't be able to enjoy free G-SYNC unless you buy an updated model of your notebook PC?
 
That wouldn't suprise me at all though I imagine an even more likely scenario is... hey lets lock overclocking so that instead of having to design new GPU we can just boost the clock spped on old ones and repackage them and since these assholes can't overclock they will have to shell out money for our shitty "new" GPU's yay!
 
This click bait thread is still rolling I see.

;)

Go ahead and OC your laptop GPU, when it cooks itself they should deny your constant RMA crying. Remember when Newegg had a super awesome return policy? Well that got ruined by smacktards burning up CPUs and GPUs then pretending they were defective. I suspect NVidia figured out diptards were burning up laptop GPUs and screaming foul and demanding RMAs.
 
schizrade said:
Go ahead and OC your laptop GPU, when it cooks itself they should deny your constant RMA crying
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Ever heard of custom/gaming laptops? 'Course not, the ignorance in this one is >9000.


This is [H]ard|Forum, not Limp|Forum. Kindly GTFO.
 
Most laptops I come across have cooling that is barely adequate. Damage due to heat is already the #1 cause of hardware failure in laptops and that is true even in systems that don't overclock.

I'm not necessarily opposed to overclocking being allowed on laptops, but IMO it should instantly invalidate any and all warranty claims that you might have at that point. It would also be nice if there was an easy way to check used laptops to see if they have been overclocked so it's not so easy to pass your problem to someone else after you break it.

Finally, anyone trying to link this with desktop overclocking as if they are related in any way is a tool.
 
"Most laptops" are not designed to handle 100W TDP parts like the 980M. "Most laptops" don't even have a discrete GPU and more often than not run off Intel's iGPU. The laptops that are designed to handle the 980M are not "most laptops" (or in other words, <$800 junkbooks)

It's like saying because a 290X will burn up in an mITX box therefore overclocking on it should be disabled.

I DARE all the naysayers in this thread to find me ONE mainstream brand laptop (HP/Acer/Toshiba/non-Alienware Dell/Sony) that supports the 980M. I double dare you.
 
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trandoanhung1991 said:
I think they prefer people to rely on their GPU Boost for mobile.

You have to admit that the wiggle room in mobile GPUs are rather low, much lower than desktop GPUs. So what'll happen?

NVIDIA, by blocking mGPU OCing, now can control exactly how much TDP is needed, allowing their mobile partners to cut costs by using lesser cooling solutions and/or cheaper board components. So cheaper laptops and notebooks.

On the other hand, they can also make GPU Boost more aggressive. We've seen from Maxwell 2 how much granularity they have over controlling the GPU performance. This will lead to higher battery life/higher performance/both.

Not to mention the headroom on most laptop's GPUs are very low. Most of the time it won't make a noticeable difference in gameplay experience.

Also, why do people complain about mGPUs not being overclockable when mCPUs haven't been overclockable ever? Honestly I can't remember a time where laptops allow you to overclock CPUs.
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You can't be serious.

Basically every gaming laptop worth a crap allows for big gnu overlocking. Clevo, Sager, Alienware and ever Asus and MSI laptops allow for some serious gpu overclocking. I mean heck, after a bios mod I overclocked the GTX 670MX in my Asus G75VX from 600 mhz to 1200mhz, thats a 100% overclock on the beefy Asus stock laptop cooling system.

Ofcourse I am not talking about random Acer or Toshiba "gaming" craptops. Yea, good luck overclocking with those.
 
In the mobile world overclocking can screw everything up in the system. I am actually one that is glad to hear about this.
 
DaPayne said:
In the mobile world overclocking can screw everything up in the system. I am actually one that is glad to hear about this.
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Laptops are build to handle the TDP of the GPU that's in them -- and overclocking a mobile GPU with a thermal limiter (which all mobile and desktop GPUs have) is entirely safe. It's when you remove those thermal limiter and voltage restriction (which is done by about .02% of users) through custom bioses when bad things can happen -- something that is exactly the same for desktop GPUs. I would even argue mobile GPUs are less prone to breaking down due to heat since they are always in a closed, proven unit whereas desktop GPUs are put in all sorts of enclosures. After owning and overclocking 25-30 different mobile GPUs, I've never had one fail expressly because there are already limits/safetys in place.

There's so much bad information and superlative in this thread from those not familiar with mobile GPUs it's getting ridiculous. nV is obviously doing this so they can hawk new cards which, of late, have been rebrands of the old card with a slight speed increase (or overclock, if you like).
 
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Pretty disappointing. Just bought my first gaming laptop, too - due to the incredible capabilities of the GTX 980M (like a desktop GTX 780 in your laptop). I was also lucky that this laptop is the one that works with the G-SYNC software (ASUS G751) so it has been awesome.

If it's about warranty/RMA issues - there are better ways to do this...I.E. require a waiver of some kind (perhaps login to download or just a checkbox with a warning that you must accept in the software) - they didn't even attempt this, so you know it is about control which leads to $$$.
 
kinjo said:
For Mobile GPU's

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...king-with-347-09-347-25/post/4458903/#4458903

Nvidia Rep Just announced on their official Forums that all overclocking will be blocked for Mobile GPU users in all driver releases going forward.

I know there are not a ton of mobile Users here but this is a really big deal. Users should be able to use their products how they see fit not be restricted by OEM.

And believe me when I say it's just a matter of time before this spreads to desktops too if nothing is done. so please show your support for our mobile enthusiast brethren by letting Nvidia know that locking down our GPU's is not acceptable.
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I have no issues with this for laptops, and I do not see it spreading to desktops.

Honestly you'd have to be pretty careless and stupid to OC on a laptop as most don't have the cooling to handle even stock speeds. It just can't be packed into such a small space and do what it needs to do.
 
Starrbuck said:
I have no issues with this for laptops, and I do not see it spreading to desktops.

Honestly you'd have to be pretty careless and stupid to OC on a laptop as most don't have the cooling to handle even stock speeds. It just can't be packed into such a small space and do what it needs to do.
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It sounds like you haven't touched a modern gaming laptop. If you're overclocking in an XPS 13, agreed. However, most moderate to high-end gaming laptops are ultra-efficient at cooling (and, in fact, built to handle overclocks). And the relative headroom in some chips is 1.5x what you'd find on the desktop without touching the thermal limit.
 
Starrbuck said:
I have no issues with this for laptops, and I do not see it spreading to desktops.

Honestly you'd have to be pretty careless and stupid to OC on a laptop as most don't have the cooling to handle even stock speeds. It just can't be packed into such a small space and do what it needs to do.
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Just one example:
http://www.asus.com/us/site/g-series/#cooling

The cooling is no joke. These are 9-10lb. gaming laptops. Even the "thin and light" category has requisite GPUs that are used due to thermals/power - i.e. max GTX 965M if it's under 5-6lbs. (not necessarily always true - just an illustration).

GTX 970 and 980 are extremely efficient and cool on the desktop side and that pays off in spades in mobile.
 
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Starrbuck said:
I have no issues with this for laptops, and I do not see it spreading to desktops.

Honestly you'd have to be pretty careless and stupid to OC on a laptop as most don't have the cooling to handle even stock speeds. It just can't be packed into such a small space and do what it needs to do.
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Why are you so concerned what people do with their own equipment?
 
harmattan said:
It sounds like you haven't touched a modern gaming laptop
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I'm touching one right now, but you're getting too personal! ;)

sk3tch said:
Just one example:
http://www.asus.com/us/site/g-series/#cooling

The cooling is no joke. These are 9-10lb. gaming laptops. Even the "thin and light" category has requisite GPUs that are used due to thermals/power - i.e. max GTX 965M if it's under 5-6lbs. (not necessarily always true - just an illustration).

GTX 970 and 980 are extremely efficient and cool on the desktop side and that pays off in spades in mobile.
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Point taken, but if you burn it up from carelessness, you shouldn't expect the manufacturer to fix it.

wizzi01 said:
Why are you so concerned what people do with their own equipment?
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I am? If I seem to be, I apologize. Just expressing my personal opinion, and I get three attacking replies in a row from the big men behind their keyboards. Rock on, bros!!
 
It's not about attacking so much as it is people being in utter disbelief that on an enthusiast forum, people would actually condone and sympathize with this type of behaviour. Keep in mind GPU Boost is in many ways an attempt to control the users experience as much as it is maximize potential performance within a thermal envelope, so Nvidia are in fact in the preliminary stages of thrusting this upon the desktop side.

I would much rather see the effort to put practices into place that can allow and determine if an OC caused damage to prevent warranty claims, rather than draconian methods employed that prevent all users from being able to do so to begin with.
 
Starrbuck said:
I'm touching one right now, but you're getting too personal! ;)



Point taken, but if you burn it up from carelessness, you shouldn't expect the manufacturer to fix it.



I am? If I seem to be, I apologize. Just expressing my personal opinion, and I get three attacking replies in a row from the big men behind their keyboards. Rock on, bros!!
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If you consider what I said an attack, Man you must have dried tea leaves for skin.
 
Starrbuck said:
Point taken, but if you burn it up from carelessness, you shouldn't expect the manufacturer to fix it.
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Same applies to desktop CPU/GPU/memory/etc.etc.

Point is - cooling/efficiency/performance is not unique to the desktop or server form factor. Laptops, HTPC, SFF, etc. are all very capable and can be OC'd nearly as much in terms of their capabilities.

It's not like people here only OC when they're water cooled. That is far from necessary.
 
wizzi01 said:
If you consider what I said an attack, Man you must have dried tea leaves for skin.
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Now this is the quote of the thread for sure.
It just goes to show that my previous post had some merit behind it lol!
 
Keep in mind that many laptops even advertised GPU Overclocking on Nvidia Chips, and that Nvidia has pushed software from its own website that allowed laptop OCing. This is just BS from Nvidia and the tech world seems scared to chastise them as they rightly deserve. With weak reporting like this its no wonder they have such a monopoly. No one wants to bite the hand that feeds it seems, truly sad for journalism.

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This one makes me laugh so hard too lol.

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{NG}Fidel said:
Now this is the quote of the thread for sure.
It just goes to show that my previous post had some merit behind it lol!
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lolwut?

I'm not concerned with what anyone does with their stuff, much like you shouldn't be concerned what I do with mine.

Rock on, bros, and stay [H]ard!!! :cool:
 
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