nVidia is in trouble

Yeah but the problems thats are hurting NVIDIA has nothing to do with Ati hammering them on the GPU side... the ATi problem JUST happened and will worsen

i wouldnt be so quick to say this its no big deal

It's not a big deal. It's bad because they lowered their revenue from their latest revenue record, but that's it.
 
Good grief, I am so sick of all these fud posts. :rolleyes: Yes the market is in a slump, the economy is in a slump, unemployment is up, gas prices are up, food prices are up.
The PC endmarket ( parts etc) is down because people just are not buying as much. This is to be expected. nVidia is nowhere near being in trouble.

Once again, QFT
 
Don't think top of the line cards are nvidia problem right now. Before the 48xx Nvidia dominated the low end (8600gt), the middle (8800gt), and the mid upper (8800gts (g80 and g92) segments of the gpu market. In first few months of 2008 nv introduced gap fillers 9600gt and 8800/9600gso designed to fill in segments of the market under the 8800gt. So
before this rollout of the 48xx series by ati nvidia was pretty much dominating the whole gpu market. But now Ati pulled an "nvidia" on nvidia with 48xx taking the mid to mid upper end parts of the market. Since I'm assuming that 4870x2 will dominate the gtx280 as well I guess ati will just completely dominate the market this time. Altough some of those 8800gt / gts deals are really hard to pass by on right now.


from the article

is that their scapegoat for lower yields on the gtx200 dies?
I wondered about that. I doubt it though. it was likely a problem in its own right but that JMO
 
Nvidia also disclosed Wednesday that certain of its graphics processors designed for notebook PCs were failing at higher-than-normal rates due to what it described as "weak die/packaging materials."

As a result, Nvidia will take a charge between $150 million and $200 million to cover anticipated customer warranty, repair and replacement costs.

...so stay away from Nvidia based notebook graphics processors!
 
lol @ Nvidia in trouble. Even with the ATI's 4850, 4870 & soon 4870 x 2, they'll probably won't even make 1/4 of what Nvidia will make the next 2 quarters. Let's look at things realistically. Are the ATI cards good? Yes, indeed they are. Do retailers care about it? To this point, no. Dell, Gateway, HP & many many others still favor Nvidia graphic solutions. As i said in a number of these threads, ATI has been way to unreliable in the past for these system manufacturers to put trust in them. You may be given the option to choose one of the cards if you use the build your own system option but besides that, nvidia will still be the recommended option. Nvidia is also crushing them in the mobile market so no argument there. AMD will have to produce back to back to back top graphic solutions to really start to gain equal ground with Nvidia. Something they have never been capable of doing. Even with that said, AMD had to lowball the price of there cards, use GDDR 5 memory chips & a 55NM die to get it done. This strat won't save them for very long if Nvidia goes that same route.
 
Yeah but the problems thats are hurting NVIDIA has nothing to do with Ati hammering them on the GPU side... the ATi problem JUST happened and will worsen

i wouldnt be so quick to say this its no big deal

nVidia has very few other significant problems. The die yield problem with the GTX200s and the mobile chipset failures are drops in the bucket for them. They make most of their money on chipsets and low-end graphics cards anyways, and they aren't in any trouble in those areas. Regardless of their performance in the high-end market and a few extra costs from dealing with warranty issues, they'll have plenty of sales to keep them going.

The total amount pledged by nVidia to deal with the mobile GPU issue was $150-200 million. For a company the size of nVidia that is expecting to bring in almost $1 billion in revenue and has a ton of cash in the bank, that amount of money is merely a tiny setback.
 
They make most of their money on chipsets and low-end graphics cards anyways, and they aren't in any trouble in those areas. Regardless of their performance in the high-end market and a few extra costs from dealing with warranty issues, they'll have plenty of sales to keep them going.

Not quite. According to NV's SEC filing for Q1 08, ~60% of their revenue comes from desktop and mobile discrete GPUs. ~18 % comes from professional graphics, and just ~17% from chipsets and IGP.

http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/download.php?repo=tenk&ipage=5689173&format=PDF Page 30
 
Not quite. According to NV's SEC filing for Q1 08, ~60% of their revenue comes from desktop and mobile discrete GPUs. ~18 % comes from professional graphics, and just ~17% from chipsets and IGP.

http://ccbn.10kwizard.com/xml/download.php?repo=tenk&ipage=5689173&format=PDF Page 30

And out of those discrete mobile and desktop GPUs, most of what they sell are lower-end parts. The fact is, when most people look for a computer, they look for something that's cheap. When's the last time you saw anything better than an 8600GT in a cheap OEM build sitting on a shelf at Best Buy? nVidia has a large advantage over ATI in the OEM build sector as most of the systems with discrete graphics use their cards. Regardless of how the current high-end situation plays out for them, their bottom line is lower-end products and that is in no danger.
 
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