Please inform me as to just how Apple is worse than nVidia?No, not they do not. Apple is still much worse. Nvidia seems like it wants to be Apple, but they still have a ways to go to reach that level of asshattery.
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Please inform me as to just how Apple is worse than nVidia?No, not they do not. Apple is still much worse. Nvidia seems like it wants to be Apple, but they still have a ways to go to reach that level of asshattery.
Yep, same here..I would have loved to buy a Vega card but fucking mining took care of that.
Please inform me as to just how Apple is worse than nVidia?
No no no! This NDA does not really impact "reviewers" in my opinion. The NDA does not keep you from running game testing and benchmarks till your heart's content. This NDA was put in place to muzzle people that want to be tech journalist and cover NVIDIA. The fact is, once you sign that NDA, many of your avenues of public discussion of NVIDIA policy and business tactics could be cut off, and it very much opens you up to litigation. This NDA in no way truly impacts card reviewers....unless they allow it to.It is really sad what nVidia did with the NDA. Even if you ask "journalists" on their reviews, if they are allowed to do more benchmarks and testing after the pre release benchmark phase, they can not tell you because the NDA prevents them to say anything. My personal guess is, there is going to be another 3DMark thing happening during the benchmarks before release thanks to the drivers and for the consumer it will look different. And it would not be the first time at all, but now thanks to the NDA, everyone who signed is not allowed to talk about it.
Please inform me as to just how Apple is worse than nVidia?
As long as I have been doing this, AIBs are always waiting on "launch drivers," just the same as the reviewers. It is easier to get unreleased hardware than it is to get a solid driver that you know you can review with out of China. If I told you I had access to 2080 hardware in the next 7 days, but no driver, would you believe me? Hardware without a solid release driver is worthless for delivering a review to our readers. That was the whole point of my statement in the article......"Good job, NVIDIA, good job. That is exerting excellent control."The other interesting point here is how nV's control over drivers in this way might be affecting AIBs. If I recall, AIBs get "base" drivers from nV to work on relatively early. After tweaking for their specific models, they send the tweaked driver back to nV for final certification. If nV is also withholding drivers from AIBs until review day (Sept 14th), that means they only have virtually no time at all to prep and cert their drivers.
This, or I may very well be reading into things and AIBs are still getting drivers early to work on (although I'm sure nV would also see this as a leak risk)
Yes, a generic reviews/news Youtube channel that are a dime a dozen. They don't provide anything of value that would be affected by this NDA.GN is a reputable review and hardware site. My point is that lawyers opinions differ on the NDA, as GN took the time back in June to look into it. I imagine that an NDA from AMD is pretty standard and vague as well. Not that I have seen one, I just can't imagine NDAs to be all that different.
While I'm certainly not 100% conversant with the inside of Nvidia's business, I doubt that you'd find a lot of child labour and slave-like work conditions there. Apple, on the other had, has firmly proved that they couldn't give a shit how the people further down the production chain are being exploited. It's not as if I follow these things closely, but I'm fairly sure it's well over ten years since the issue was first raised and yet they still haven't done anything really substantive to change things.
Every time a new issue is uncovered it's the same old rigmarole: starting with blank denial, gradually moving to grudging admission of the facts, lots of pointing to their guidelines, policies, all the great work they do to abolish said issues and promises to do everything under the sun to eradicate them this time. It's a schpiel they've grown quite good at, given that they have to repeat it roughly once a year when it's uncovered that the problems are still present and that little or nothing has been done to tackle them.
Pardon the OT, but he did ask...
Well at least i'm not going to say that they are worried about AMD. But more like they never underestimate what surprise AMD can bring. But because of this it is also harder for AMD to catch nvidia off guard.Oh Nvidia.. smh.. I don't care what agreements and hoops you're jumping through to keep this on lock down. It's the internet lol.
I really .. really hope AMD is just screwing with everybody and waiting to see Nvidia's offerings first. Maybe not, who knows? Everybody seems to think that Nvidia has a "no competition, no fear" arrogance to them atm. I disagree. Seems to me like they may be a bit worried. Hell, I would be. Look what's happening to Intel atm.. If I was one of the only other competitions for AMD I would be a bit scared myself.
GN is a reputable review and hardware site. My point is that lawyers opinions differ on the NDA, as GN took the time back in June to look into it. I imagine that an NDA from AMD is pretty standard and vague as well. Not that I have seen one, I just can't imagine NDAs to be all that different.
NVIDIA's CEO is a known Apple fan, and has gone on the record in an interview that his household uses and enjoys their products. I wish I had the source for Huang saying that, but it would certainly explain their behavior if they are taking pages from Apple's book.No, not they do not. Apple is still much worse. Nvidia seems like it wants to be Apple, but they still have a ways to go to reach that level of asshattery.
This just keeps getting better and better! What the F*** are they so afraid of? This BS only lasts until the cards hit retail, though, and THEN the s*** will REALLY hit the fan! They can't hide sub-par performance forever! EVENTUALLY, when they start to ship, people will learn EXACTLY how these cards perform, and if their actions are any indication, I expect those reviews to be brutal indeed!
I was thinking more like they will charge us for drivers when new ones are released. Oh you want the latest and greatest driver for your games? Pay us 15 bucks and get it a week before everyone else. (oh and sign the NDA so it the driver blows you can't talk about it.)Eventually Nvidia will require us to sign a NDA to get drivers for cards we buy
This is what's confusing about this. Either way, people will find out very quickly upon release how these cards perform so why go to such extreme measures to block the information? What are they seriously afraid of? I personally doubt the performance will be much better than my 1080ti so I don't care about this cycle of release, but something is very fishy here.
I highly doubt pre-orders is the main goal. It would be only a small portion of the overall sales. If the product is bad, no one will buy. Could be something else.. fear of competition?I mean, the obvious answer is so that people can't really cancel their preorders due to an early review. Marketing-wise, it's good for them to have all of their preorders sold out like they currently are. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but I don't doubt it's a big part of their thinking.
I mean, the obvious answer is so that people can't really cancel their preorders due to an early review. Marketing-wise, it's good for them to have all of their preorders sold out like they currently are.
The Good 'Ol "Cut our nose off to spite our face" strategy...always a winner, Nvidia.I don't get it...so Nvidia is holding back launch day drivers but doesn't care if lower performance benchmark numbers leak out?...why not just supply the official driver which makes the cards look better in the end?
I see your argument here but the only thing I can say to that is, does the better performance of this gen over any other gen equal the value of the card they are currently selling?That totally makes sense, but what's more confusing is that Nvidia over the last decade anyway imo has always had good products... I mean the 1080 series is beast and Nvidia technology runs a lot of other devices we use. They are making money and for me released a stellar product with the 1080 series... that being said why would they purposefully knowingly potentially release a painfully flawed videocard this late in the game? Why destroy that goodwill? Even those people who preorder these cards could still return them but likely won't unless you are one of the few types of people that upgrades their videocards every year and you wouldn't notice a difference... whereas people such as myself who maybe upgrade every 5 years or so would buy it no matter what considering the performance difference will be massive compared to their current card. So really the only people who would potentially be pissed off about the 2080 being a subpar upgrade to the 1080 are reviewers who literally try and compare every card, and those people who upgrade every year... everybody else will be happy with the card no matter what.
Even if you are in the market for a new card because your current GPU is say 3-5 years old, and holding out because you want to see the reviews first for the 2080... regardless of what comes out of those benches they will still be a improvement over anything out at the moment. So, then the decision comes down to "Okay, the 2080 isn't a huge improvement over the 1080 but do I really want to save one or two hundred dollars on a previous gen videocard when that generation is not 2 years old?"
I know I wouldn't try and save money and buy a 2 year old GPU technology... i'll want the newest no matter what especially if i'm only upgrading every 3-5 years.
Tracking what site has what cards is different than telling AIBs who they can and cannot sample.Hilbert at Guru3D is now calling out Kyle:
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/n...stom-rtx-2080-ti-reviews.422723/#post-5579179
Stuff like this is why I would have rather Kyle just signed the Nvidia NDA. I want to read reviews, not business politics
However, for me, the big thing is timely game support. AMD really lost me a long time ago in the days waiting months and months for driver updates for various titles and eternal beta drivers.
Gaming hardware accounts for at least half of NVIDIA's total annual revenue. Their industrial and professional business segments would not exist if not for their gaming segment.Why would Nvidia still care?
Afaik, the thrust of the company is towards industrial applications, in simulation, AI and such. Gamers are a legacy business, not a growth center. So what is the benefit to Nvidia from accommodating that segment?
Unless sites like Forbes also sign the NDA, Kyle's exposés can still get traction and circulate in the media. Of course all those tech sites will miss out on it from now on.Im assuming it would work like this.
NV drafts up another GPP style program, informs all of its NDA signed outlets of it, now they cannot publish anything about it, even if they hear it from other sources. Effectively muting any way of discussing nvidia practices that they don't want made public .
You can get plenty of that over at Guru3D.Hilbert at Guru3D is now calling out Kyle:
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/n...stom-rtx-2080-ti-reviews.422723/#post-5579179
Stuff like this is why I would have rather Kyle just signed the Nvidia NDA. I want to read reviews, not business politics
That thread is full of all sorts of and , some people over there need to pull their heads out of some butts and get some fresh air.Hilbert at Guru3D is now calling out Kyle:
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/n...stom-rtx-2080-ti-reviews.422723/#post-5579179
Stuff like this is why I would have rather Kyle just signed the Nvidia NDA. I want to read reviews, not business politics
I'd love to see what the review drivers look like compared release drivers.
Having s separate set if drivers only for reviewers looks extremely dubious!
Without having concrete #'s to go off of, it's pure speculation at this point. I'm waiting for [H]'s review before I formulate an opinion on what they are releasing.This level of control mania sounds like the new product is going to suck.
It might not and Nvidia be crazy, but if you have market leading product what the fuck are you scared of?