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Nvidia adopts Adaptive-Sync (FreeSync)

Relayer said:
That was directed @ Prime1. His position is a given.

First, I don't even remember nVidia making a statement that FreeSync would induce latency (AMD has claimed that Gsync does, but has never shown it). Maybe it was an internal memo? I don't know. 2nd, Considering how FreeSync works, there isn't any way for it to introduce latency. When the card has a frame ready it tells the monitor to refresh the screen. This happens during the vblank interval which has a duration of ~0.74ms.
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That came from an interview podcast thing with some PC magazine, I watched it and the subsequent one with AMD. What he said was they didn't know how AMD was doing it and that it could introduce latency if the scalar wasn't configured in a certain way. I'd guess from a technical standpoint the engineers know a thing or two about it what we don't.

But again, you're saying "how freesync works" and I've read all the information on it I've been able to find and didn't see any specifics, only guesses by forum posters. I'd like a freesync display, I'm hoping to hang on to my $65 R9 270 for a while as it does everything I need to do right now. Unfortunately, Nvidia did win with this despite the added cost. If I really wanted to have a display like this, I could get my hands on one as fast as it can ship to me. If I had the money for it, an extra $100 or whatever for the monitor is worth having the tech half a year or more before we might see competition.
 
Well I'd rather have a monitor that will work in all modes with all hardware. Of course I'm making the assumption that Intel will support it also. For me, waiting a few more months is no big deal although it's going to be a mad rush to click "Buy" when they are on the market.
 
Yes, it was a MaximumPC podcast with nvidia that started the rumor.

I dont recall where i read the technical reason why it doesnt, but as i recall it was a verified source.

Take that as you wish.
 
Has there been any word at all, on when we'll finally get to see a "free sync" display? I'll continue to enjoy Gsync in the meantime. I'd love to see a comparison review of the two technologies. I'm wanting to see what the differences really are.
 
Regarding the latency discussion the original depiction of events is not correct.

AMD did the first MaximumPC podcast and brought up the latency issue, June 20 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZGV5z8YFM8&feature=player_detailpage#t=3925

Nvidia's MaximumPC podcast was July 25th and there was a response in there regarding G-sync latency -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...kIUerD4c&list=UUdLWXfNqKICJBpE8jVMm6_w#t=1789

In terms of actual testing it has been done on G-sync hardware since it is actually available - http://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/preview2/

As for actually comparing G-Sync and FreeSync, on a high level there are technical differences. But any comparison at the moment is rather theoretical since one does not have actual hardware available for independent testing. We won't know the the actual real world difference (if any) until this occurs, and maybe not even then until testing methodology evolves to properly gauge the different products.
 
DraginDime said:
Has there been any word at all, on when we'll finally get to see a "free sync" display? I'll continue to enjoy Gsync in the meantime. I'd love to see a comparison review of the two technologies. I'm wanting to see what the differences really are.
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Some Adaptive-Sync displays will be announced with maybe some demos before the end of the year.

Retail availability is expected in Q1 '15.
 
Lord_Exodia said:
Hmm, it's possible it's a good strategy. They can be like "Yeah AMD we have that too" but for the Premium experience we can do G-Sync.

That would kind of make people curious about G-Sync if you think about it.
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there is no "better" experience because both are the same thing.
 
I don't understand why it's so hard to ship out a scaler module that reviewers can pop into a display and try it out. Like nvidia did with g-sync those so many months ago.

Now we have to wait for official display production just to get an idea of how it compares.
 
jwcalla said:
I don't understand why it's so hard to ship out a scaler module that reviewers can pop into a display and try it out. Like nvidia did with g-sync those so many months ago.

Now we have to wait for official display production just to get an idea of how it compares.
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Troll harder.

Those so many months ago??? Is there a true G-Sync display publicly available right now?
Edit- Ah, ASUS shipped a couple handuls units... widespread availability of G-Sync not found. A $900 1440p 144hz TN panel with G-Sync is laughable.
 
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LordEC911 said:
Ah... a $600 G-Sync 1080p 144hz TN panel that has been available for 3weeks.
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It is available worldwide. Nothing is laughable except the non-existent of freesync monitor at this moment. Thus, lot of theoretical claims on freesync monitor. I've went on various forums, youtube comments, most are expecting freesync to be either, 'free', 'no cost', 'upgraded firmware' 'require no hardware' which are yet to be seen.
 
go ahead, buy the overpriced gsync monitor.

il wait 6 months and buy a freesync one without the markup.

$600 for a 1080p TN panel is highway robbery.
 
LordEC911 said:
Troll harder.

Those so many months ago??? Is there a true G-Sync display publicly available right now?
Edit- Ah, ASUS shipped a couple handuls units... widespread availability of G-Sync not found. A $900 1440p 144hz TN panel with G-Sync is laughable.
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nvidia had g-sync DIY kits available and reviewers were testing the tech back in December and writing articles sharing their experiences.

If you re-read my comment you will see the point I was making.
 
jwcalla said:
nvidia had g-sync DIY kits available and reviewers were testing the tech back in December and writing articles sharing their experiences.

If you re-read my comment you will see the point I was making.
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Ok. So Nvidia rushed out a beta/prototype to have reviewed and then eventually sold, in limited quantities, to end users.
Actual G-Sync monitors are barely hitting the market, in limited quantities, 9 months afterwards. That was my point.

It appears that AMD is waiting for finalized, near production samples, before they send it to reviewers so that people don't have to wait 9 months before they see a trickle of retail availability and have people forget about it.
 
The Mac said:
go ahead, buy the overpriced gsync monitor.

il wait 6 months and buy a freesync one without the markup.

$600 for a 1080p TN panel is highway robbery.
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And what makes you think freesync monitor is not a premium price monitor and probably on TN too for 144hz.
 
LordEC911 said:
Ok. So Nvidia rushed out a beta/prototype to have reviewed and then eventually sold, in limited quantities, to end users.
Actual G-Sync monitors are barely hitting the market, in limited quantities, 9 months afterwards. That was my point.

It appears that AMD is waiting for finalized, near production samples, before they send it to reviewers so that people don't have to wait 9 months before they see a trickle of retail availability and have people forget about it.
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I will quote you on this. The samples to reach reviewers and the final retail product probably take the same time frame as g-sync did.
 
ruffstuff said:
And what makes you think freesync monitor is not a premium price monitor and probably on TN too for 144hz.
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because other than the BOM for the updated scaler ($10-$15 initially, less after production scales up) for DP 1.2a/1.3 compliance, there arent any other costs.

No licensing, no modules to purchase, nothing..
 
The Mac said:
because other than the BOM for the updated scaler ($10-$15 initially, less after production scales up) for DP 1.2a/1.3 compliance, there arent any other costs.

No licensing, no modules to purchase, nothing..
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No 6-9month delay to hand-tune.
 
FreeSync was announced 10 months ago and from what I see there hasn't been a single damn review of it. We don't even know anything about it, yet everybody has declared it the perfect solution.

It's like Mantle... "it's open guys!" (one year later waiting on specs) "it's still open guys!"
 
Probably because you can fire up a notebook PC and watch it in action? I guess having a longer monitor cable in a desktop could mess it up?
 
LigTasm said:
That came from an interview podcast thing with some PC magazine, I watched it and the subsequent one with AMD. What he said was they didn't know how AMD was doing it and that it could introduce latency if the scalar wasn't configured in a certain way. I'd guess from a technical standpoint the engineers know a thing or two about it what we don't.

But again, you're saying "how freesync works" and I've read all the information on it I've been able to find and didn't see any specifics, only guesses by forum posters. I'd like a freesync display, I'm hoping to hang on to my $65 R9 270 for a while as it does everything I need to do right now. Unfortunately, Nvidia did win with this despite the added cost. If I really wanted to have a display like this, I could get my hands on one as fast as it can ship to me. If I had the money for it, an extra $100 or whatever for the monitor is worth having the tech half a year or more before we might see competition.
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The real issue is spending $800 on a monitor and have it's main feature you bought it for, the one that made it worth $800 to you, only work with one brand of card. Even if you like nVidia more than AMD it still makes sense to keep your options open and not jump into bed with one vendor.

The other is that the only reason it will never work with any other vendor is because nVidia will lock them out. That's the par that really annoys me. One of the most important attributes of good PC hardware is it works with all other PC hardware. Imagine if all brands did that. If Intel only allowed their CPU's to work with their own integrated graphics. If only AMD had discrete GPU's and CPU's that were compatible together. If your Asus sound card only worked on Asus mobo's, needed a Dell PC to use Dell monitors, etc... It's absolutely abominable.
 
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limitedaccess said:
Regarding the latency discussion the original depiction of events is not correct.

AMD did the first MaximumPC podcast and brought up the latency issue, June 20 -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZGV5z8YFM8&feature=player_detailpage#t=3925

Nvidia's MaximumPC podcast was July 25th and there was a response in there regarding G-sync latency -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featu...kIUerD4c&list=UUdLWXfNqKICJBpE8jVMm6_w#t=1789

In terms of actual testing it has been done on G-sync hardware since it is actually available - http://www.blurbusters.com/gsync/preview2/

As for actually comparing G-Sync and FreeSync, on a high level there are technical differences. But any comparison at the moment is rather theoretical since one does not have actual hardware available for independent testing. We won't know the the actual real world difference (if any) until this occurs, and maybe not even then until testing methodology evolves to properly gauge the different products.
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That is the way I remember events as well. It doesn't mean I couldn't have missed something though.
 
ruffstuff said:
It is available worldwide. Nothing is laughable except the non-existent of freesync monitor at this moment. Thus, lot of theoretical claims on freesync monitor. I've went on various forums, youtube comments, most are expecting freesync to be either, 'free', 'no cost', 'upgraded firmware' 'require no hardware' which are yet to be seen.
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Your "what most are expecting" is wrong. That's what nVidia fanboys are claiming has been said simply to troll and discredit. Go buy yourself a Gsync monitor and play some games if you want to. FreeSync is coming and even nVidia is going to offer the same Async support as AMD. Two companies competing for your money. IT'S A GOOD THING.
 
Relayer said:
The real issue is spending $800 on a monitor and have it's main feature you bought it for, the one that made it worth $800 to you, only work with one brand of card. Even if you like nVidia more than AMD it still makes sense to keep your options open and not jump into bed with one vendor.

The other is that the only reason it will never work with any other vendor is because nVidia will lock them out. That's the par that really annoys me. One of the most important attributes of good PC hardware is it works with all other PC hardware. Imagine if all brands did that. If Intel only allowed their CPU's to work with their own integrated graphics. If only AMD had discrete GPU's and CPU's that were compatible together. If your Asus sound card only worked on Asus mobo's, needed a Dell PC to use Dell monitors, etc... It's absolutely abominable.
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The "real issue"? People have been buying expensive monitors for 3Dvision for YEARS because that is how they wanted to play their games, that locks them in to one brand as well. Nobody bitched about it then, nobody bitches about it now.

Look, its pretty simple. If you don't want it, wait for AMD's offering to swoop down from the heavens and deliver us from Nvidia's evil corporate scheming, ok?
 
Certainly, if the monitor manufacturers can charge a premium, they are going to.

Thats how free markets work.

But as i said, its only $15 in extra stuff to build.
 
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mantle works perfectly fine for me in BF4, PVZ, and Theif.

Not a single problem.

The fact thats its beta is irrelevant, its fully functional.

as far as freesync goes, it will be about as beta as any other new DP spec...
 
might as well be the same thing as far as we are concerned.

If NVIDIA is going to implement it as well, its most likely pretty trivial.
 
Relayer said:
The real issue is spending $800 on a monitor and have it's main feature you bought it for, the one that made it worth $800 to you, only work with one brand of card. Even if you like nVidia more than AMD it still makes sense to keep your options open and not jump into bed with one vendor.
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That is non issue in reality.
Outside of ultra failures like FX 5800 or radeon 2900xt competing gpus will have similar power at similar price points. And both companies will have periods of advantage.
 
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